Pata Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: It's a weird one , literally nobody has done Eddie over two games like Dortmund have and I don't even think they are that good. They will probably get to the second round / quarters at best , even an awful Chelsea team knocked them out last season, is just one of them things . No blame at all on Eddie for me . I think it's a bit simplistic to say Eddie was done twice. He doesn't use it as an excuse but all the injuries and the load the fit players carry is taking it's toll. You could have a perfect tactical plan but it won't work if the players are not performing on their expected level due to tiredness or possibly the lowered quality in available players (this is not directed at any single player directly). And intensity is our identity but demanding that level two times a week is not really realistic right now with all the injuries. Eddie probably could've rotated more when we had more players fit (although many injuries have been just bad luck and not due to excessive load) but I'm not blaming him for anything and this schedule is a a learning experience for him too. Edited November 7, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 But you know Eddie himself will be thinking ... why did it go wrong? What could we have done better? That's why he's awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, ilikenewcastle said: Some people seem weirdly keen to say that Eddie has been out-thought, outdone or whatever every time we lose. Since last season, some people seem to have trouble accepting that sometimes we will lose some games and it can be down to something simple like having loads of injuries. Always has to be some nonsense about us being 'found out' or 'out of our depth'. At full strength and with a bit of luck, these 2 games would have been so different. Well, nah, that suggests an agenda. It's just an observation on this occasion, I'm not rushing to be negative or contrarian. I just think we've faced an opponent with a very effective gameplan and fair play to them for that. In both matches they mostly prevented us from doing the things that make us so dangerous in most other games. It was more evident at SJP than tonight, where the defeat was equally to do with our limited options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, ilikenewcastle said: Some people seem weirdly keen to say that Eddie has been out-thought, outdone or whatever every time we lose. Since last season, some people seem to have trouble accepting that sometimes we will lose some games and it can be down to something simple like having loads of injuries. Always has to be some nonsense about us being 'found out' or 'out of our depth'. At full strength and with a bit of luck, these 2 games would have been so different. Yeah, it's pretty strange, and I can't imagine what the thinking behind it is really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, KaKa said: Yeah, it's pretty strange, and I can't imagine what the thinking behind it is really. The "thinking behind it" is observing a game of football and having a, presumably unpopular, opinion about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 59 minutes ago, Checko said: But you know Eddie himself will be thinking ... why did it go wrong? What could we have done better? That's why he's awesome. I’m behind Eddie all the way, I just hope one of the conclusions he comes to is that we need to look at finding someone to link midfield with attack, even if it means altering the way we play slightly. If there’s one criticism of this season, there’s been too many spells of 30-45 mins where we’ve been a nonentity going forward. Obviously we’ve scored a lot of goals in the league through intensity alone but there’s limits to who that works against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, duo said: Speaks really well as always but that's about a downbeat as I recall seeing him. Seems shattered and a bit gutted. Clearly really frustrated at the injuries as well. Edited November 7, 2023 by Interpolic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Don't think we were outdone tactically necessarily just the limitations of some of our players are exposed when we can't/don't play with full intensity. Dortmund did a good job exploiting our weaknesses I'd say but don't think Eddie got a lot wrong. Technically our midfield is pretty poor for Champions league level Bruno aside. If teams can match us physically and press us well we're always liable to struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Interpolic said: Speaks really well as always but that's about a downbeat as I recall seeing him. Seems shattered and a bit gutted. Clearly really frustrated at the injuries as well. He knows with a full fit squad we would have won that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/howe-we-werent-at-our-normal-level/ Bloody hell, between this and the presser my optimistic outlook has plummeted. Clearly not impressed at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, Yorkie said: https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/howe-we-werent-at-our-normal-level/ Bloody hell, between this and the presser my optimistic outlook has plummeted. Clearly not impressed at all. He comes across so well. I think it’s just frustrating knowing we can and should do better but coming up slightly short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Put it this way, if we played Dortmund on Saturday how would we have done? Had we gotten a chance to have Botman, Isak, Barnes and Tonali would it be better? We’re reeling right now because our thin squad is even thinner. Add to that we’re playing a seasoned side in CL and honestly think we’ve 100% not looked ourselves in both matches. Thats gotta be why Eddie is down. Hes disappointed and upset. His coaching can only go so far but he’s not had his full team or his game changers to battle Dortmund. He had his best striker v Paris tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I’ve never seen a side get as many bounces and connect as many cute passes against us as I saw today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Where would this team finish in the Premier League if managed by Eddie? Barnes. Isak. Murphy Anderson Tonali. Longstaff Targett Burn. Botman. Manquillo Dubravka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, timeEd32 said: Where would this team finish in the Premier League if managed by Eddie? Barnes. Isak. Murphy Anderson Tonali. Longstaff Targett Burn. Botman. Manquillo Dubravka Depends on injuries and depth etc, no injuries Eddie gets this lot to conference league imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 The man oozes class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Kanji said: Put it this way, if we played Dortmund on Saturday how would we have done? Had we gotten a chance to have Botman, Isak, Barnes and Tonali would it be better? We’re reeling right now because our thin squad is even thinner. Add to that we’re playing a seasoned side in CL and honestly think we’ve 100% not looked ourselves in both matches. Thats gotta be why Eddie is down. Hes disappointed and upset. His coaching can only go so far but he’s not had his full team or his game changers to battle Dortmund. He had his best striker v Paris tho. Pretty much my feeling on this - we are very inexperienced at this level - we’ve played league cup - PL - CL in the space of 7 days - physically tough matches - next to no preparation - lack of selection consistency due to injuries It’s November and we’ve already played Man C x2 Dortmund x2 PSG AC Milan Arsenal Liverpool Man Utd Aston Villa Brighton West Ham all teams in Europe Give it 12-18 months when we have the depth and experience we will be better for this experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mikky said: Pretty much my feeling on this - we are very inexperienced at this level - we’ve played league cup - PL - CL in the space of 7 days - physically tough matches - next to no preparation - lack of selection consistency due to injuries It’s November and we’ve already played Man C x2 Dortmund x2 PSG AC Milan Arsenal Liverpool Man Utd Aston Villa Brighton West Ham all teams in Europe Give it 12-18 months when we have the depth and experience we will be better for this experience Perspective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Perspective Show me a team in Europe that’s had a run like that in the first 3 months in addition to a long list of injuries It’s insane - I can’t ask of anything more from our guys - left it all out there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mikky said: Show me a team in Europe that’s had a run like that in the first 3 months in addition to a long list of injuries It’s insane - I can’t ask of anything more from our guys - left it all out there Because of that run of games and the injuries we can't even train properly man. "Train as we play" our very DNA, to use an annoying popular phrase. This team, squad and coaches, have delivered time and time again. Shame on the moaners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 years today Lets see where we are in another 2 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said: Looks gutted. Hope he gains a bit of balance in his thinking today. Disappointing to lose but I thought he/they put together a sound tactical plan to use what we had to best effect. No bad thing to illustrate the need for for a deep squad including another purple or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Because of that run of games and the injuries we can't even train properly man. "Train as we play" our very DNA, to use an annoying popular phrase. This team, squad and coaches, have delivered time and time again. Shame on the moaners We had to use Man U away to give Longstaff and Wilson a bit of training - I remember post match Wilson getting another 20-30 mins in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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