LFEE Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 4 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I just mean when NUST are consulted, do they only consider the needs of ST holders and not NUFC members as well? I don’t get involved so I guess I can’t complain, but it would be a shame if ST holding fans get more representation than anyone else. Ultimately the club are the ones responsible anyway. But if they’re taking NUST as the fans’ voice then it would be interesting if all fans are not thought of equally. I don’t have any evidence of this by the way, mainly a paranoid suspicion The NUST board is pretty much 50/50 made up of ST holders and Members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 12 minutes ago, LFEE said: The NUST board is pretty much 50/50 made up of ST holders and Members. Good to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) I've said it before but Chelseas way is so much better than ours. They split their away allocations 60/40 between ST holders and members and both collect loyalty points in the same way. Loyalty point are given out slightly different to how we do it, for example Brentford away they'll award 2 points and Newcastle away 5 points. For the most popular away games (and home games) ie London derbies, Man Utd, Liverpool etc they sell tickets using loyalty points but for games like Wolves, Leicester and the like it's a free for all, which obviously helps people get tickets and build points, so basically you're being rewarded for doing the harder Miles, plus there's more loyalty points awarded for these games. At the end of the season they'll announce how many points you'll need to have amassed as a member the previous season to be able to buy a season ticket, so if you've been to the vast majority of home and away games they'll offer you the chance to turn your membership into a season ticket. Much more fair than the closed shop at our place. The membership is basically worthless for a lot of people. Edited February 13 by Wallsendmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: I've said it before but Chelseas way is so much better than ours. They split their away allocations 60/40 between ST holders and members and both collect loyalty points in the same way. Loyalty point are given out slightly different to how we do it, for example Brentford away they'll award 2 points and Newcastle away 5 points. For the most popular away games (and home games) ie London derbies, Man Utd, Liverpool etc they sell tickets using loyalty points but for games like Wolves, Leicester and the like it's a free for all, which obviously helps people get tickets and build points, so basically you're being rewarded for doing the harder Miles, plus there's more loyalty points awarded for these games. At the end of the season they'll announce how many points you'll need to have amassed as a member the previous season to be able to buy a season ticket, so if you've been to the vast majority of home and away games they'll offer you the chance to turn your membership into a season ticket. Much more fair than the closed shop at our place. The membership is basically worthless for a lot of people. If the glue sniffers in our Ticketing Team had the gumption to build a similar scheme based on what appears to be Chelsea's fair and sensible approach and then they announced it to the fans, I'd think I was the one who'd huffed a load of Bostik and was trippin my tits off Edited February 13 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 38 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: I've said it before but Chelseas way is so much better than ours. They split their away allocations 60/40 between ST holders and members and both collect loyalty points in the same way. Loyalty point are given out slightly different to how we do it, for example Brentford away they'll award 2 points and Newcastle away 5 points. For the most popular away games (and home games) ie London derbies, Man Utd, Liverpool etc they sell tickets using loyalty points but for games like Wolves, Leicester and the like it's a free for all, which obviously helps people get tickets and build points, so basically you're being rewarded for doing the harder Miles, plus there's more loyalty points awarded for these games. At the end of the season they'll announce how many points you'll need to have amassed as a member the previous season to be able to buy a season ticket, so if you've been to the vast majority of home and away games they'll offer you the chance to turn your membership into a season ticket. Much more fair than the closed shop at our place. The membership is basically worthless for a lot of people. So you have to go to away games to be eligible for a ST? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SteV said: So you have to go to away games to be eligible for a ST? Fine print is here https://www.chelseafc.com/en/loyalty-points You definitely don't have to go Away to maintain a season ticket, my pal has had a Chelsea ST for 30+ years and hardly ever goes away edit: from what I've just read, to apply for a new Season Ticket you just have to have the minimum number of loyalty points and you're in the mix. How you've accumulated those points doesn't matter. But you get more points for travelling further to less attractive fixtures Edited February 13 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCOCOL Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: Fine print is here https://www.chelseafc.com/en/loyalty-points seems a pretty fair system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, SteV said: So you have to go to away games to be eligible for a ST? Basically yes. The members who attend most games, home and away, amass the most loyalty points and your eligibility for a season ticket is purely based on loyalty points. Rewards the people who put the most miles in, and spend the most time and money on supporting the team. Beats our membership system by a mile. I know of people who've bought memberships for this season and last and haven't had a sniff of a ticket in the ballot. I think in this day and age especially, when the bigger clubs are turning away from the ST culture and prioritising selling memberships as, let's face it, it's a massive money spinner for them, that should be reflected in what they are offering their members in return. At Newcastle it's very little compared to most other top clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Fine print is here https://www.chelseafc.com/en/loyalty-points You definitely don't have to go Away to maintain a season ticket, my pal has had a Chelsea ST for 30+ years and hardly ever goes away Yeah should have cleared it up. If you are already a ST holder you don't need to go to away games to give you the right to renew. It's aimed at members who are trying to get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Basically yes. The members who attend most games, home and away, amass the most loyalty points and your eligibility for a season ticket is purely based on loyalty points. Rewards the people who put the most miles in, and spend the most time and money on supporting the team. Beats our membership system by a mile. I know of people who've bought memberships for this season and last and haven't had a sniff of a ticket in the ballot. I think in this day and age especially, when the bigger clubs are turning away from the ST culture and prioritising selling memberships as, let's face it, it's a massive money spinner for them, that should be reflected in what they are offering their members in return. At Newcastle it's very little compared to most other top clubs. NUFC can dress it up however they want, but our membership is just a one-off fee that gives you access to the possibility of buying a ticket and some retail discounts that no-one is that arsed about Edited February 13 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, bobbydazzla said: NUFC can dress it up however they want, but our membership is just a one-off fee that gives you access to the possibility of buying a ticket and some retail discounts that no-one is that arsed about Aye it's basically a raffle ticket as things stand right now. Nowt more than that. I've never used mine for any other reason that entering ballots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Aye it's basically a raffle ticket as things stand right now. Nowt more than that. I've never used mine for any other reason that entering ballots. As you know I think our membership scheme is shite. But it's not actually a raffle as there's a group of us who've got tickets for every game, every season. You have to be savvy, you probably need a desk job where you manage your own diary and at times it can be relentlessly dull repetitive effort (my F5 key still hates me after last season) I've never failed to get a ticket for every game and also helped loads of other people to get tickets, that's not luck, there's been a process to it. But it's best suited to people who have acute Fear of Failure syndrome and can ADHD hyperfocus Edited February 13 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: As you know I think our membership scheme is shite. But it's not actually a raffle as there's a group of us who've got tickets for every game, every season. You have to be savvy, you probably need a desk job with flexibility and at times it can be relentlessly dull repetitive effort (my F5 key hates me) I've never failed to get a ticket for every game and also helped loads of other people to get tickets, that's not luck, there's been a process to it, but it's best suited to people who have Fear of Failure syndrome and can ADHD hyperfocus Aye if your lifestyle enables you to be sat at a computer screen fir ridiculously long periods pressing F5 I imagine a membership will have its benefits. Unfortunately for the majority of us that's just not possible, which is why I refer to it as a raffle ticket. Throw your hat into the ring and see what comes out. I find resale is also a waste of time unless you are only after 1 ticket. The likes of me wanting to take the bairn has no chance on that score. Never seen anything other than single seats on there when I've tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Aye if your lifestyle enables you to be sat at a computer screen fir ridiculously long periods pressing F5 I imagine a membership will have its benefits. Unfortunately for the majority of us that's just not possible, which is why I refer to it as a raffle ticket. Throw your hat into the ring and see what comes out. I find resale is also a waste of time unless you are only after 1 ticket. The likes of me wanting to take the bairn has no chance on that score. Never seen anything other than single seats on there when I've tried. One thing that people like yourself may not realise is that you & your son could link memberships with someone who knows how to be successful in 10am member sales That person buys their own ticket and also buys one for you and your son too. I've done this many times That's the sort of thing I mean when I say people have to be savvy, there's workarounds and loopholes that mean you could never miss a match, but you've got to find out what they are It's not ideal to have to rely on others, but it'd get you to games Edited February 13 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Aye if your lifestyle enables you to be sat at a computer screen fir ridiculously long periods pressing F5 I imagine a membership will have its benefits. Unfortunately for the majority of us that's just not possible, which is why I refer to it as a raffle ticket. Throw your hat into the ring and see what comes out. I find resale is also a waste of time unless you are only after 1 ticket. The likes of me wanting to take the bairn has no chance on that score. Never seen anything other than single seats on there when I've tried. Unless you’re very quick, the website doesn’t fall on its arse, and you get a good queue number, then it’s possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Title change request please. Can it be... Memberships & Members+ I'm the latter and we're better than the former. Hoy more coin in so carry more gravitas than them riff raff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCOCOL Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 41 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: NUFC can dress it up however they want, but our membership is just a one-off fee that gives you access to the possibility of buying a ticket and some retail discounts that no-one is that arsed about You can hire the souless sanitised mess that is shearers bar midweek for your borfda an aal.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said: Title change request please. Can it be... Memberships & Members+ I'm the latter and we're better than the former. Hoy more coin in so carry more gravitas than them riff raff Erect Members for the people without ST's who go in Safe Standing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Erect Members for the people without ST's who go in Safe Standing That's a bit stiff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: NUFC can dress it up however they want, but our membership is just a one-off fee that gives you access to the possibility of buying a ticket and some retail discounts that no-one is that arsed about Don’t think they’ve ever dressed it up that much TBF. Think everyone buying knows it’s a possible means to an end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 15/02/2023 at 17:30, LFEE said: Newcastle United update on Wembley ticketing The Trust has received a significant volume of requests in relation to the process applied to the sale of tickets for the forthcoming Carabao Cup Final. As result, the Trust have today contacted the club seeking additional clarification of the process that has been applied – in response, the club have provided us with the below update to share with Members. NUFC Response "We appreciate that every Newcastle United supporter wants to be there to support the team at Wembley and we offer our sincere apologies to anyone who has been left disappointed. Unfortunately, demand has greatly outstripped the supply of tickets we have been allocated for the Carabao Cup Final and we are unable to obtain more. With this in mind, we considered our options around ticket sales very carefully and worked hard to ensure tickets were made available to supporters in as fair and equitable a way as possible. Accordingly, we established a set of priority periods based on eligibility criteria - heavily weighted towards season ticket holder status, number of loyalty points and Carabao Cup ticket purchasing history during the current 2022/23 season. 97% of the tickets available within the priority periods have been purchased by current season ticket holders, with a very small allocation made available to members and supporters with a purchase history in the Carabao Cup. This is in line with our on-sale policy throughout previous rounds of the competition. In addition, a small allocation has been allocated to our hard-working full-time staff, our players and coaches’ families, our owners and our official partners at a ratio that benchmarks favourably in comparison to other clubs that have reached domestic cup finals in recent years. We appreciate this will be little consolation to any supporter who has missed out, but we hope the above information is helpful in understanding how tickets have been allocated. Thank you again for taking the time to contact us. Your support is truly appreciated.” The club have also outlined their process for contacting NUFC about Wembley tickets should you feel the need. All Supporter Services enquiries – [email protected] Complaints – see the club’s complaints procedure in the Customer Service section https://www.nufc.co.uk/fans/supporter-charter/ The Trust is grateful to Newcastle United for this communication and we will consult with members further after the Cup Final to collate feedback about the ticket process for Wembley, and ticketing in general, with the aim of aiding the club and members where we can. That 97% of tickets for Wembley went to season ticket holders for the Cup Final shows there is little doubt that the club has put season ticket holders first when allocating tickets. JOIN THE TRUST Found this from around the time of the Carabao Cup final 2 years ago. 3% of tickets were allocated to members, so probably only about 1k but I recall an almighty fuss about it from STHs. I also remember a narrative from the club that they wanted to achieve a decent cross-section of support being able to attend, including some members. If that 3% has dropped (which it seems it inevitably has, probably to 0%) then the whingeing of STHs was taken on board and fuck members. I'm also almost certain that members were divided more fairly into pots than anyone who applied for a ballot for one game and nowt else as well. Why the change in approach? Why the disparity with other clubs' cup final ticketing policies? Why is the whole thing such a closed shop? Why was there such a lack of transparency for 2 whole years that buying cup tickets as a member would give you fuck-all chance of a cup final ticket, instead of a remote one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Interpolic said: Found this from around the time of the Carabao Cup final 2 years ago. 3% of tickets were allocated to members, so probably only about 1k but I recall an almighty fuss about it from STHs. I also remember a narrative from the club that they wanted to achieve a decent cross-section of support being able to attend, including some members. If that 3% has dropped (which it seems it inevitably has, probably to 0%) then the whingeing of STHs was taken on board and fuck members. I'm also almost certain that members were divided more fairly into pots than anyone who applied for a ballot for one game and nowt else as well. Why the change in approach? Why the disparity with other clubs' cup final ticketing policies? Why is the whole thing such a closed shop? Why was there such a lack of transparency for 2 whole years that buying cup tickets as a member would give you fuck-all chance of a cup final ticket, instead of a remote one? Whatever the rights and wrongs of the criteria, and fwiw as a ST holder I do think some members have been shafted this time, it does show the club pretty much can’t win when demand is outstripping supply so ferociously. As you say, there was a fair bit of whinging last time from some ST holders about some members getting access ahead of them. Now you’ve got members whinging cos that’s been reversed. Fans have a right to whinge if they feel they’ve been hard done to mind, but somebody is probably always going to feel hard done to, so we just go round in this circle until we reach a point where demand doesn’t exceed supply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 12/02/2025 at 04:02, Slim said: Man City stopped new season tickets so probably a trend that will continue. STs are now sub-optimal ways of selling tickets for the big clubs. Why let a superfan Joe Bloggs who has been there for decades get all 19 home matches a season for 500 quid, when you could sell 19 tickets for individual games to tourists for perhaps as much as 100 quid a pop? While I think that there will always be STs at football, the clubs who can do it will look to reduce those numbers as quickly as they can. If we become genuinely successful, this is likely our future too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 8 hours ago, SteV said: Whatever the rights and wrongs of the criteria, and fwiw as a ST holder I do think some members have been shafted this time, it does show the club pretty much can’t win when demand is outstripping supply so ferociously. As you say, there was a fair bit of whinging last time from some ST holders about some members getting access ahead of them. Now you’ve got members whinging cos that’s been reversed. Fans have a right to whinge if they feel they’ve been hard done to mind, but somebody is probably always going to feel hard done to, so we just go round in this circle until we reach a point where demand doesn’t exceed supply. Yeah I realise that they can't satisfy everyone when demand exceeds supply, but for them to go from giving members what I would call a pretty modest gesture of 1k tickets to 0 tickets is quite a shift and imo should be explained. Edited February 14 by Interpolic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) I'd like NUFC to explain why they can't / won't implement a scheme like Chelsea, or Spurs A group of members meets the club and actually show them those schemes and say "talk us through why we can't have something like that please" What is their logic to have one set of fans (ST's) holding all the aces and the members getting nothing in return for making the effort to attend games. Many members attend all 19 games exactly like ST holders do, the only difference is that they pay for their 19 tickets up-front (often paying less than members) and have the same seat every time It makes no sense to me to have the current bare bones scheme. They would get some much more positivity by putting in place something like Chelsea's, it's such an easy PR win for the club If there's reasons why they can't do it, then it'd be nice to know what those reasons are Edited February 14 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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