Match Atmosphere

[NUFC91]

There's no easy way to do it, people saying notify people and if they don't turn up they lose points but even then my mate couldn't do man utd as he has COVID and couldn't get out of bed, you could have travel distribution that method is done.

 

Once ticketing at all grounds goes digital they probably can but it's unfair fans are being caused issues through no fault if own.

[LFEE]

5 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

There's no easy way to do it, people saying notify people and if they don't turn up they lose points but even then my mate couldn't do man utd as he has COVID and couldn't get out of bed, you could have travel distribution that method is done.

 

Once ticketing at all grounds goes digital they probably can but it's unfair fans are being caused issues through no fault if own.

Surely turning up at the ground 5mins before KO you leave yourself open to missing the start of a game and in turn have some fault on yourself. 
 

Got no skin in the game. Wouldn’t lose any sleep in it reverting back to a free for all. Have helped friends out on the odd occasion which has made me happy. I no longer can. However the excuses made for people whose priorities are time in the pub over making sure they see the KO I’m tired of reading. Same people who whinged about the bubble buses to Sunderland. 

[NUFC91]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Surely turning up at the ground 5mins before KO you leave yourself open to missing the start of a game and in turn have some fault on yourself. 
 

Got no skin in the game. Wouldn’t lose any sleep in it reverting back to a free for all. Have helped friends out on the odd occasion which has made me happy. I no longer can. However the excuses made for people whose priorities are time in the pub over making sure they see the KO I’m tired of reading. Same people who whinged about the bubble buses to Sunderland. 

 

I agree I get there early but I just think the system is still flawed as it's not fair fans have to go out their way. We are the only club that does it.

[Holloway]

For the home games, it's a mixture of shite acoustics and quite frankly, dull fucking punters. Whenever I'm there I get bewildered by the amount of people who look like they couldn't care less about the occasion they've turned up for. The older gadgees might not make much noise but tend to look more invested than some of the young statues dotted about 

[Rod]

18 minutes ago, Holloway said:

For the home games, it's a mixture of shite acoustics and quite frankly, dull fucking punters. Whenever I'm there I get bewildered by the amount of people who look like they couldn't care less about the occasion they've turned up for. The older gadgees might not make much noise but tend to look more invested than some of the young statues dotted about 

With their phones out?  Infuriating.

[Holloway]

1 minute ago, Rod said:

With their phones out?  Infuriating.

I took my 18 year old nephew's seat for a game last season, canny spot in the Gallowgate. His two mates were alongside, had a wee chat when I joined them, that was the last thing they fucking said all game 

it used to be about letting off steam, that seems to have all but disappeared

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, NUFC91 said:

 

I agree I get there early but I just think the system is still flawed as it's not fair fans have to go out their way. We are the only club that does it.

Man Utd do it. They don’t even have loyalty points. It’s a ballot for 2300 tickets with random ones being selected for ID checks. So no real punishment (no points at risk) other than non admission. 
 

Most clubs won’t do it because the demand doesn’t require it.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 19:19 by LFEE

[Wallsendmag]

3 hours ago, LFEE said:

That was then. This is now. I was on similar buses and car and train trips. Looking at my points over 230 trips. So please don’t label me an out of touch fan. I’d never leave it later than getting to the ground 45mins ideally. Expecting 20mins of queues.
 

The rules have changed. This has been made clear. Change your behaviour or take your chances that you might get flagged an odd game. It really is that simple. It’s no different to setting off earlier for a 200 mile journey as oppose to a 150 mile journey. You wouldn’t leave the same time for both journeys. You’d allow extra time.

 

I’ll be able to feedback how the ticket reprint experience was. I feel a lot of these social media posts are just to inflame a return to the old system so people can benefit again without having any points. I saw the ones regarding the Man City cup game last season and the people complaining I saw in the queue and had ample time to sort. Don’t believe everything you read on X.

 

You're very much out of touch if you think it's practical for 3k+ away fans (6k on Tuesday) to arrive an hour before kick off in case their ticket gets rejected as you advised people to do.

 

 

[LFEE]

17 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

You're very much out of touch if you think it's practical for 3k+ away fans (6k on Tuesday) to arrive an hour before kick off in case their ticket gets rejected as you advised people to do.

 

 

We’ll have to agree to disagree then. If you can’t get to the ground for 7pm having weeks to plan I’m not sure what I can say. They’d get there if the KO was 7:30pm…

[Wallsendmag]

11 minutes ago, LFEE said:

We’ll have to agree to disagree then. If you can’t get to the ground for 7pm having weeks to plan I’m not sure what I can say. They’d get there if the KO was 7:30pm…

 

You just can't expect the entire away end to rock up an hour before KO in case their ticket gets rejected. It would be absolute carnage. One of the things that allow for easier stadium access is that turnstiles open 90 mins before kick off and people enter in dribs and drabs which picks up in the 30 mins leading up to Kick off.

[LFEE]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

You just can't expect the entire away end to rock up an hour before KO in case their ticket gets rejected. It would be absolute carnage. One of the things that allow for easier stadium access is that turnstiles open 90 mins before kick off and people enter in dribs and drabs which picks up in the 30 mins leading up to Kick off.

The entire away end wouldn’t rock up on an hour. Like you said some would enter earlier some later. However where we aren’t going to agree is thinking it’s not on you if you rock up 5-15mins before KO and expect to see the whistle blown to start the game. Anything could happen. A turnstile could fail causing bigger delays.

 

Like I say this is how it is. Choose whatever time suites what’s important to you. End of story. Mine has always been KO over one more drink. I know people who think differently who I go to match with and I just leave them in the pub etc. I remember going to Benfica for example and I wanted to see the Eusebio statue and the Eagle 🦅 fly around the ground pre-match. My other friends weren’t interested and preferred to drink more Super Bock. I don’t quite understand why but I accept it. I want to make sure I’m in and found my spot etc.

 

Out of interest when was your last away game and your routine?
 

 

 

 

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

The entire away end wouldn’t rock up on an hour. Like you said some would enter earlier some later. However where we aren’t going to agree is thinking it’s not on you if you rock up 5-15mins before KO and expect to see the whistle blown to start the game. Anything could happen. A turnstile could fail causing bigger delays.

 

Like I say this is how it is. Choose whatever time suites what’s important to you. End of story. Mine has always been KO over one more drink. I know people who think differently who I go to match with and I just leave them in the pub etc. I remember going to Benfica for example and I wanted to see the Eusebio statue and the Eagle 🦅 fly around the ground pre-match. My other friends weren’t interested and preferred to drink more Super Bock. I don’t quite understand why but I accept it. I want to make sure I’m in and found my spot etc.

 

Out of interest when was your last away game and your routine?
 

 

 

 

 

You're literally telling people they should get there an hour before KO to guarantee entry further up the page 

 

I haven't been away since Rangers last Pre Season. Supporters bus took us to Hamilton pre match and we got parked up outside Ibrox around 30 mins before KO. 8,000 away fans there but entry was a piece of piss.

 

If you think rejecting tickets at the turnstile is a good idea then fair enough, but we'll never agree on that one so I'll just leave it there.

[LFEE]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

You're literally telling people they should get there an hour before KO to guarantee entry further up the page 

 

I haven't been away since Rangers last Pre Season. Supporters bus took us to Hamilton pre match and we got parked up outside Ibrox around 30 mins before KO. 8,000 away fans there but entry was a piece of piss.

 

If you think rejecting tickets at the turnstile is a good idea then fair enough, but we'll never agree on that one so I'll just leave it there.

If they want peace of mind yes. If they want to chance it and go 30mins then that’s up to them and most likely still get in and if not have time for collection still. Like you said 8000 got in no problem. The margin of risk is up to the individual and each to their own.

 

I’ve never said it was a good idea. However sadly in the fanbase over the years some spoil it for the majority and abuse their loyalty point situation leaving others locked out so something had to change with demand at an all time high and newer younger fans missing out and this is the first thing they’ve trialled. I know lots of people who go to away games and don’t have a problem with it. I’ve also seen some friends able to build up their own points because of it. I’m probably one of the people who actually suffer from it as I can’t easily build up points if I wanted to (I always had takers if I needed them). I now choose to go more or if not it goes unused now.
 

It simply can’t be argued that these checks have forced the lower points required which highlights the people who are applying for tickets now are the ones genuinely wanting to go on their own ticket bar 2 exemptions a season. Which is what its intention was and it’s worked. So because of that its pros far outweigh the cons.

 

How many loyalty points have you amassed over the years now out of interest?

 

 

[Wallsendmag]

6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

If they want peace of mind yes. If they want to chance it and go 30mins then that’s up to them and most likely still get in and if not have time for collection still. Like you said 8000 got in no problem. The margin of risk is up to the individual and each to their own.

 

I’ve never said it was a good idea. However sadly in the fanbase over the years some spoil it for the majority and abuse their loyalty point situation leaving others locked out so something had to change with demand at an all time high and newer younger fans missing out and this is the first thing they’ve trialled. I know lots of people who go to away games and don’t have a problem with it. I’ve also seen some friends able to build up their own points because of it. I’m probably one of the people who actually suffer from it as I can’t easily build up points if I wanted to (I always had takers if I needed them). I now choose to go more or if not it goes unused now.
 

It simply can’t be argued that these checks have forced the lower points required which highlights the people who are applying for tickets now are the ones genuinely wanting to go on their own ticket bar 2 exemptions a season. Which is what its intention was and it’s worked. So because of that its pros far outweigh the cons.

 

How many loyalty points have you amassed over the years now out of interest?

 

 

 

I was on 158 before I packed it in when Bruce got appointed. Not sure why that's relevant like unless its to boast that you've been to more away games than me, although tbf I went to a fair few before the loyalty points system was in place.

[LFEE]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I was on 158 before I packed it in when Bruce got appointed. Not sure why that's relevant like unless its to boast that you've been to more away games than me, although tbf I went to a fair few before the loyalty points system was in place.

No it was to get an idea of your away day experience. Remember you accused me of being an out of touch away fan yet I’ve been the one going away fairly regularly since he was appointed in 2019 so you’ll have to admit a certain irony and contradiction of your misplaced accusation as I’m clearly in touch of the away experience in the recent 6 years as well as around 25 years previously. It also highlights you would benefit from zero security checks in your current position. I hazard a guess you got your Rangers away ticket from a friend? 
 

Not questioning your status as a fan as clearly your love is deep and longstanding. I just feel you’ve made a big issue as have others in similar positions out of something that really isn’t that big issue. 
 

The fact I don’t gain from it also highlights my viewpoint is not a selfish one but that of one who’s trying to see the bigger picture of the away fanbase old and new and those coming around the corner soon. Which I feel makes me very much in touch with what it’s like wanting to be an away fan not just being one.

 

 

 

 

[OCOCOL]

48 minutes ago, LFEE said:

No it was to get an idea of your away day experience. Remember you accused me of being an out of touch away fan yet I’ve been the one going away fairly regularly since he was appointed in 2019 so you’ll have to admit a certain irony and contradiction of your misplaced accusation as I’m clearly in touch of the away experience in the recent 6 years as well as around 25 years previously. It also highlights you would benefit from zero security checks in your current position. I hazard a guess you got your Rangers away ticket from a friend? 
 

Not questioning your status as a fan as clearly your love is deep and longstanding. I just feel you’ve made a big issue as have others in similar positions out of something that really isn’t that big issue. 
 

The fact I don’t gain from it also highlights my viewpoint is not a selfish one but that of one who’s trying to see the bigger picture of the away fanbase old and new and those coming around the corner soon. Which I feel makes me very much in touch with what it’s like wanting to be an away fan not just being one.

 

 

 

 

I think trying to die on the hill of every fan should be in the ground an hour before kick off is a strange one mate however I appreciate that you’re not looking to gain any personal advantage here and are looking for fairness. 

 

FWIW the only time I’ve been in a ground more than 30 mins before kick off (other than Sunderland or cup finals was PSG away) and only once missed a kick off. 
 

I think the club are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut here. If it was really about touting then it’s home games they really need to target. 
 

I would hope the Trust now take z more active role here now that the composition of the board has changed (most people know my views on why previous board members there may not have been fair fan representatives on this issue in particular).

 

Even if they stick with checks they need to look how other clubs implement this - the demand for Liverpool and Nsn U away tucjers dwarves ours.

 

again fwiw I would keep a % of tickets for under 25s only ballot as this demographic can say they haven’t had the opportunity to build up away loyalty points. Anyone over 30 (generally) if they didn’t ditch under Ashley wasn’t as interested when we were shite.

 

id also make loyalty points only count if earned in last 5 years toward current loyalty. 
 

to preempt the question I have over 400 Laps but now only go to 6 or 7 a season now due to work and family reasons (Co custody of kids) from separation. 
 

we all want the best for this club I just think the club in this area is underperforming and not delivering the best service for their most loyal (best customers) supporters. Neither imho are the trust (see the Carabao cup lack of communication with their members as long as Brian Blessed got his ticket as one example - but hopefully Karter and Co will be an improvement and listen to a cross section of fan opinion).

 

 

Edited Sunday at 22:54 by OCOCOL

[LFEE]

16 minutes ago, OCOCOL said:

I think trying to die on the hill of every fan should be in the ground an hour before kick off is a strange one mate however I appreciate that you’re not looking to gain any personal advantage here and are looking for fairness. 

 

FWIW the only time I’ve been in a ground more than 30 mins before kick off (other than Sunderland or cup finals was PSG away) and only once missed a kick off. 
 

I think the club are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut here. If it was really about touting then it’s home games they really need to target. 
 

I would hope the Trust now take z more active role here now that the composition of the board has changed (most people know my views on why previous board members there may not have been fair fan representatives on this issue in particular).

 

Even if they stick with checks they need to look how other clubs implement this - the demand for Liverpool and Nsn U away tucjers dwarves ours.

 

again fwiw I would keep a % of tickets for under 25s only ballot as this demographic can say they haven’t had the opportunity to build up away loyalty points. Anyone over 30 (generally) if they didn’t ditch under Ashley wasn’t as interested when we were shite.

 

id also make loyalty points only count if earned in last 5 years toward current loyalty. 
 

to preempt the question I have over 400 Laps but now only go to 6 or 7 a season now due to work and family reasons (Co custody of kids) from separation. 
 

we all want the best for this club I just think the club in this area is underperforming and not delivering the best service for their most loyal (best customers) supporters. Neither imho are the trust (see the Carabao cup lack of communication with their members as long as Brian Blessed got his ticket as one example - but hopefully Karter and Co will be an improvement and listen to a cross section of fan opinion).

 

 

 

I repeat I’m not expecting anything from anyone. People can do what they want to prioritise their match day experience. I’d say it’s a fail safe margin if flagged up and you want to get in and settled and enjoy the atmosphere build up inside.
 

The hill I’m prepared to die on is that if you risk trying to get to the ground not knowing ticket or queue situation 5-15mins before KO you are asking for trouble. I’d have this opinion regardless of checks (Remember the Leeds fiasco 3yrs ago?)

 

Speaking to a Man Utd fan who was in the away end at Anfield today via a Man Utd mate I watched game with together I asked what their situation is…

 

In short no loyalty points at all. Out of their allocation (3K average these days?) they get 2300 for fans to enter a ballot. He reckons around 10k fans regularly enter the ballot. They sometimes get asked to collect the ticket from Old Trafford in advance and sometimes at the away ground randomly both needing ID. So still regularly abused as no jeopardy in losing your loyalty points as there are none. 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 23:10 by LFEE

[OCOCOL]

7 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I repeat I’m not expecting anything from anyone. People can do what they want to prioritise their match day experience. I’d say it’s a fail safe margin if flagged up and you want to get in and settled and enjoy the atmosphere build up inside.
 

The hill I’m prepared to die on is that if you risk trying to get to the ground not knowing ticket or queue situation 5-15mins before KO you are asking for trouble. I’d have this opinion regardless of checks (Remember the Leeds fiasco 3yrs ago?)

 

Speaking to a Man Utd fan who was in the away end at Anfield today via a Man Utd mate I watched game with together I asked what their situation is…

 

In short no loyalty points at all. Out of their allocation (3K average these days?) they get 2300 for fans to enter a ballot. He reckons around 10k fans regularly enter the ballot. They sometimes get asked to collect the ticket from Old Trafford in advance and sometimes at the away ground randomly both needing ID. So still regularly abused as no jeopardy in losing your loyalty points as there are none. 

 

 

 

how are the other 700 distributed - corporates / club officials? Just curious?

 

if there are no loyalty points how do they distribute tickets for cup finals / major European games - genuine question I have no idea?

[Danh1]

5 hours ago, LFEE said:

Surely turning up at the ground 5mins before KO you leave yourself open to missing the start of a game and in turn have some fault on yourself. 
 

Got no skin in the game. Wouldn’t lose any sleep in it reverting back to a free for all. Have helped friends out on the odd occasion which has made me happy. I no longer can. However the excuses made for people whose priorities are time in the pub over making sure they see the KO I’m tired of reading. Same people who whinged about the bubble buses to Sunderland. 

In my mates case we were only there 5 mins before due to the trains being cancelled as there was a fatality near Berwick. Didnt get into London until 11:15, which was an hour after we were due to. 
 

 

 

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, OCOCOL said:

how are the other 700 distributed - corporates / club officials? Just curious?

 

if there are no loyalty points how do they distribute tickets for cup finals / major European games - genuine question I have no idea?

I’d assume so but I did not seek to clarify as it was via messenger and voice notes as he was leaving the ground so just had time to gather some basics. His friend had 3 spares for today due to the weather issues. I’ll try and find out more as like you I’m always curious how other clubs work things but I’d again assume via ballot. If you think a Cup Final allocation these days regardless where is around 27k then they couldn’t go to ST holders first so they’d have to have a ballot of sorts.

 

6 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

In my mates case we were only there 5 mins before due to the trains being cancelled as there was a fatality near Berwick. Didnt get into London until 11:15, which was an hour after we were due to. 
 

 

 

Yes I gathered that was the case for some. Out of interest were both your match tickets “Transfers” or just yours?

[Danh1]

10 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I’d assume so but I did not seek to clarify as it was via messenger and voice notes as he was leaving the ground so just had time to gather some basics. His friend had 3 spares for today due to the weather issues. I’ll try and find out more as like you I’m always curious how other clubs work things but I’d again assume via ballot. If you think a Cup Final allocation these days regardless where is around 27k then they couldn’t go to ST holders first so they’d have to have a ballot of sorts.

 

Yes I gathered that was the case for some. Out of interest were both your match tickets “Transfers” or just yours?

Transferred into our names by season ticket holders within the 72 hour window. Both digital as well. 

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Danh1 said:

Transferred into our names by season ticket holders within the 72 hour window. Both digital as well. 

Interesting…

 

You see if I had to pick out of 3000 tickets which handful will be flagged I would’ve had both of yours near top of the list to ID thinking logically how the club are thinking.  Keeping tabs if all is as it should’ve been. Which it was. 
 

The shtick from the club might be they are “random” but I’m not convinced. I feel they’ve got certain intel from the off when introduced and they started with those in control of large amounts of season tickets with high points and those know to be attached to those running buses who’ve been known to provide tickets as an additional service. In reality it’s those they are after as they’ve made quite a sideline from it.

 

Were the two ST holders that supplied connected or totally separate from each other with no past connection?

[huss9]

i would hate an away ticket ballot.

what if you want to go in a group?

i dont go without my kids any more, so 4 of us in ballot? not likely we'd ever all get to go together.

[NUFC91]

10 hours ago, LFEE said:

If they want peace of mind yes. If they want to chance it and go 30mins then that’s up to them and most likely still get in and if not have time for collection still. Like you said 8000 got in no problem. The margin of risk is up to the individual and each to their own.

 

I’ve never said it was a good idea. However sadly in the fanbase over the years some spoil it for the majority and abuse their loyalty point situation leaving others locked out so something had to change with demand at an all time high and newer younger fans missing out and this is the first thing they’ve trialled. I know lots of people who go to away games and don’t have a problem with it. I’ve also seen some friends able to build up their own points because of it. I’m probably one of the people who actually suffer from it as I can’t easily build up points if I wanted to (I always had takers if I needed them). I now choose to go more or if not it goes unused now.
 

It simply can’t be argued that these checks have forced the lower points required which highlights the people who are applying for tickets now are the ones genuinely wanting to go on their own ticket bar 2 exemptions a season. Which is what its intention was and it’s worked. So because of that its pros far outweigh the cons.

 

How many loyalty points have you amassed over the years now out of interest?

 

 

 

I honestly don't think the loyality point system has been abused, I have nearly 200 points and they are all games I have actually attended but let's not forget in those seasons we were selling out away days were season ticket holders had the chance to go and didn't want to. It was fans all over the country who helped fill them away days.

 

Those who say oh I can't get away tickets must be the turncoats who took the free tickets or season ticket holders who didn't want to go away when we were shit as I hear far less noise from those people moaning and they made our away ends up for years and let's be honest it's a small amount who sold on tickets not thousands.

[Wallsendmag]

11 hours ago, LFEE said:

No it was to get an idea of your away day experience. Remember you accused me of being an out of touch away fan yet I’ve been the one going away fairly regularly since he was appointed in 2019 so you’ll have to admit a certain irony and contradiction of your misplaced accusation as I’m clearly in touch of the away experience in the recent 6 years as well as around 25 years previously. It also highlights you would benefit from zero security checks in your current position. I hazard a guess you got your Rangers away ticket from a friend? 
 

Not questioning your status as a fan as clearly your love is deep and longstanding. I just feel you’ve made a big issue as have others in similar positions out of something that really isn’t that big issue. 
 

The fact I don’t gain from it also highlights my viewpoint is not a selfish one but that of one who’s trying to see the bigger picture of the away fanbase old and new and those coming around the corner soon. Which I feel makes me very much in touch with what it’s like wanting to be an away fan not just being one.

 

 

 

 

 

I have no agenda as away games no longer interest me these days. I just think it's unfair issuing supporters with fake tickets that they know nothing about until they try to access the stadium. At least give them some sort of warning so that they can plan accordingly, whether that's an email or phone call the day before. You disagree with that, and that's fine.