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Segun Oluwaniyi

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27 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Going back to the point  @AyeDubbleYoo raised a few posts above. How would you feel if our captain refused to wear an anti-racism armband because he though black people were inferior? Genuine question btw. I don't think people choose their sexual orientation or identity same way people don't get to choose the color of their skin.

Your question has two parts. For the first part, I genuinely do not think there is anything in football that interests me less than whether Bruno or Lascelles see fit to wear an anti-racism armband. Beyond my own lack of interest, these campaigns are provably ineffective and a waste of time. For the second part, it would obviously diminish my opinion of them if a player went around saying that Black people were inferior:lol:But again, this is my personal opinion, and also not equivalent to anything Guehi or Morsy have expressed. It is not as though racism against Blacks/Africans has is a rarity in football, anyway.

 

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Groundhog63

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I'm still trying to figure out how Jesus, a Palestinian/Arab, living in the middle East, had a Dad called Joseph, a Mother called Mary and a boat load of honkey mates like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Peter? Fucking immigrants going over there, stealing our Messiah!!! Mind, no surprise his turncoat pal, Judas, was his token ragheed.

No idea if he turned a blind eye to a bit of same sex fun love either but the Romans AND the Greeks, for that matter, couldn't get enough of it.

 

Lordy, lordy

 

 

 

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Remember him mentioning during the Euros in an interview his parents wouldn't be at the Sunday game to watch him as they run a church or something. 

 

It's possible that it just put him in a difficult position if his family are prominent figures amongst the Christian community where they live and he's tried to cover all bases by adding the Jesus part. 

 

It's daft either way, like. But there is also a chance he might not necessarily have a massive hatred of gay people. 

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3 minutes ago, StuToon said:

Extremely long time lurker and first time poster... so apologies in advance!

 

I'll start out by saying I'm a Christian and have been for a long time. I felt I should try and put forward the Christianity side of this debate.

 

Firstly, the bible teaches not to judge. And that means anyone, no matter what the "sin". And it also teaches that all sin is equal.

 

When someone becomes a Christian, it's a complete change of life. It's not something that you just switch on and off, it impacts every aspect of life. But it's hard to get it right all the time and certainly people get it wrong all the time, sometimes to the detriment of the Christian message.

 

Ultimately, Christians believe God teaches that everyone should be and deserves to be loved regardless of their beliefs or lifestyle.

 

I hope that what Marc Guehi was trying to show was that he believes in Jesus but also wanted to show his support for the LGBT community. That Christianity is for all. And that's why he chose to still wear the arm band with a Christian message.

 

True Christianity teaches love not hate. Obviously I can't speak for everyone who claims to be a "Christian" but I can say for sure that anyone using homophobic or judgemental language about any minority is not following the message of the bible. Unfortunately there are plenty out there where that is the case.

 

Apologies for the long and perhaps controversial first post but felt I needed to say something. Hopefully I haven't caused offence but just wanted to put across the side of Christianity!

 

And fair play if you managed to read it all...

I've written out so many things in this thread and deleted them. I completely agree with you. We're taught to love, not hate. Wouldn't be very Christian otherwise

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Kid Icarus

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1 hour ago, DiddyLevine said:

There should be consequences for disagreeing on something ? 

Don't think should comes into it really. It will naturally attract criticism as a consequence and that criticism in itself isn't a restriction on freedom of speech, is also speech, and also shouldn't be restricted. All just a big bowl of everyone giving their two penneth imo.

 

Personally think it's another mountain out of a molehill. To automatically equate a message like that as this, that, or the other is weird imo.

 

 

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Segun Oluwaniyi

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1 hour ago, Skeletor said:

 

Its not political. We are real people with real lives who just want to be left alone by people who think religious beliefs gives them the right to discriminate or disinclude us from society.

Again, you are telling me the issue is non-political, but we have other posts in this thread expressing that the beliefs of nearly every major world religion are not acceptable in civilized society, as such decided by the Western intelligentsia (the only people with opinions that matter). I empathise with your thoughts on it and don't mean to diminish them, but it is inherently political imo, as is every other significant social movement.

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St. Maximin

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54 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Going back to the point  @AyeDubbleYoo raised a few posts above. How would you feel if our captain refused to wear an anti-racism armband because he though black people were inferior? Genuine question btw. I don't think people choose their sexual orientation or identity same way people don't get to choose the color of their skin.

Thing is, that's not what Guehi is doing. There is no evidence whatsoever he thinks the LGBTQ community are inferior. Clearly he's made his interpretation of the rainbow flag that might differ to others, but clearly other people have made their own interpretation of his intentions.

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Segun Oluwaniyi

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1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:


There’s a lot in that post that would disagree with as premises, but I get what you’re saying. On the other hand, the PL is a global brand and these brands generally have values they feel they need to express because of their presence in society. 

There are countless avenues to express these things that do not put their players in this position, tbh. The entire situation feels unnecessary to me. 

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7 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

Thing is, that's not what Guehi is doing. There is no evidence whatsoever he thinks the LGBTQ community are inferior. Clearly he's made his interpretation of the rainbow flag that might differ to others, but clearly other people have made their own interpretation of his intentions.

This . If he hated gay people then surely he wouldve refused to wear the rainbow armband ? 

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17 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

I'm still trying to figure out how Jesus, a Palestinian/Arab, living in the middle East, had a Dad called Joseph, a Mother called Mary and a boat load of honkey mates like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Peter? Fucking immigrants going over there, stealing our Messiah!!! Mind, no surprise his turncoat pal, Judas, was his token ragheed.

No idea if he turned a blind eye to a bit of same sex fun love either but the Romans AND the Greeks, for that matter, couldn't get enough of it.

 

Lordy, lordy

 

 

 

Jesus was a jew 🤓

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St. Maximin

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1 minute ago, DiddyLevine said:

This . If he hated gay people then surely he wouldve refused to wear the rainbow armband ? 

Yeah, or maybe done something far more explicit. Genuine instances of hatred towards homosexuals in football are obviously a big problem and should be addressed with zero tolerance. This doesn't look like one.

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1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Anyone can have whatever beliefs they want in private. But some of them can’t be accepted in public in civilised society.  That happens all the time. Someone wouldn’t really be accepted for being racist or hating women or whatever.

 

It’s not an easy argument but that’s the way I lean. 

Id prefer if people were open about their beliefs . Then we could challenge them / argue against 

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1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I like to see the PL produce more armbands for more demographics such as minorities, disabled people, aliens etc. See if the stupid cunt writes something about Jesus on those armbands.

Dont bring up Glen Hoddle after all this time 🤓

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I actually think polarization often has the exact opposite effect of what it's trying to achieve. We see that in politics now. People who were on the fence or in between are swaying away from this whole "if you don't support this, you are this" thing, and the people on the other side are swaying even further away. I think there's a reason as to why the right side of politics is thriving atm in the western world, and even in Norway the far right party now has more momentum than ever. And I'm not really on the right side myself, I'm more frustrated by it. I think it's larely due to unnecessarily high amounts of polarization, which is not effective at what it tries to achieve.

 

Apologiez for going full political, my point was not to make it about politics, but rather how polarizing over the top reactions could just make the problem become worse, even if you think it's justified.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Erikse said:

I actually think polarization often has the exact opposite effect of what it's trying to achieve. We see that in politics now. People who were on the fence or in between are swaying away from this whole "if you don't support this, you are this" thing, and the people on the other side are swaying even further away. I think there's a reason as to why the right side of politics is thriving atm in the western world, and even in Norway the far right party now has more momentum than ever. And I'm not really on the right side myself, I'm more frustrated by it. I think it's larely due to unnecessarily high amounts of polarization, which is not effective at what it tries to achieve.

 

Apologiez for going full political, my point was not to make it about politics, but rather how polarizing over the top reactions could just make the problem become worse, even if you think it's justified.

 

But surely you can't win by not promoting progressive values?

 

Seems a bit like the woke argument, basically blaming people with compassion and belief in equality for the extreme reactions of people on the other side. Sometimes both sides of the argument aren't equally valid. 

 

 

 

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