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@TheBrownBottle my comments were in relation to the Ipswich captain. Agree on bringing religion into the workplace, Guehi should have declined to wear it rather than scrawl a religious message over it.

 

 

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TheBrownBottle

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2 minutes ago, madras said:

Would that include crossing himself, offering up a prayer or the many other religous motions many players do on the pitch?

 

Us atheists really need to up our game and come up with a "your imaginary God had nowt to do with it" gesture.

See section 5 - it’s re kit.  Doing the Ronaldo ‘Christ the Redeemer’ celebration is fine

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-4---the-players-equipment

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Lush Vlad

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2 minutes ago, Heron said:

Can someone summarise objectively for me please? :lol:


One bloke wrote a message on a rainbow armband. 
Another bloke didn’t want to wear one at all. 
Someone thought the earth was flat. 
There was an argument about science. 

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1 hour ago, SAK said:

Why does he need to explain himself? Religion is an article 9 freedom under ECHR and written into UK law. Rights cut both ways and it bothers me when one group tries to shut down the rights of another.
 

Not wanting to endorse something doesn’t equate to him wanting harm upon that group. 

 

I read the argument here that gay people exist and religion is just opinion. We know gay people exist so why the need to wear an armband to acknowledge they exist and does not wearing an armband make them less of a reality? It makes no material difference in my opinion. 

 

I'd be totally fine with it if he managed to squeeze in "I am for inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in football, but personally due to the way I interpret my religion, I could never be anything other than a straight CIS male" with really small text. 

 

That could of course be what he means with his messaging, but making these statements and not elaborating on them he opens himself up to scrutiny.

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1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said:


One bloke wrote a message on a rainbow armband. 
Another bloke didn’t want to wear one at all. 
Someone thought the earth was flat. 
There was an argument about science. 

All went off with a big bang💥 

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4 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:


One bloke wrote a message on a rainbow armband. 
Another bloke didn’t want to wear one at all. 
Someone thought the earth was flat. 
There was an argument about science. 

Thanks. :lol:

 

What is the purpose behind writing "I love Jesus" on the armband? Was it that he doesn't agree with homosexuality or that Jesus loves gays as well, or netiher of the two?

 

Has that been clarified or is that why folk are denying the world is flat and pretending science is real? Madness that they are. 

 

 

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TheBrownBottle

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5 minutes ago, Heron said:

Can someone summarise objectively for me please? :lol:

Two PL captains appear uncomfortable with wearing rainbow captain’s armbands in support of the Rainbow Laces campaign (see link to Rainbow Laces below).  One has refused to wear it point blank; the other has crudely scrawled a religious message on it.  Both are receiving criticism for their actions.  Unsurprisingly, religious people don’t see an issue with this and believe that fellow believers are being pushed into supporting causes which is contrary to their faith.  Others view this as anti-inclusionary and bigoted behaviour.  And others fall somewhere in between

 

https://www.premierleague.com/footballandcommunity/RainbowLaces

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TheBrownBottle

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Just now, madras said:

Skim read and didn't see anything saying religous gestures were OK. Did I miss something ?

They’re not banned, there’s nothing in rules re gestures.  But there are rules re putting messages onto the kit - which is what Guehi did. 

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5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:


One bloke wrote a message on a rainbow armband. 
Another bloke didn’t want to wear one at all. 
Someone thought the earth was flat. 
There was an argument about science. 

 

:lol:

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Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Two PL captains appear uncomfortable with wearing rainbow captain’s armbands in support of the Rainbow Laces campaign (see link to Rainbow Laces below).  One has refused to wear it point blank; the other has crudely scrawled a religious message on it.  Both are receiving criticism for their actions.  Unsurprisingly, religious people don’t see an issue with this and believe that fellow believers are being pushed into supporting causes which is contrary to their faith.  Others view this as anti-inclusionary and bigoted behaviour.  And others fall somewhere in between

 

https://www.premierleague.com/footballandcommunity/RainbowLaces

I like this summary.

 

On Saturday I am out with a priest and a gay man. Two best mates of mine. Perfect timing.

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madras

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Just now, Heron said:

I like this summary.

 

On Saturday I am out with a priest and a gay man. Two best mates of mine. Perfect timing.

If you walk into a bar let me know the punchline.

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Heron

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Just now, madras said:

If you walk into a bar let me know the punchline.

We intend to walk into several - Park run in the morning with the priest. Some sausage with the gay man for breakfast. Pints with the boys and world peace achieved. Live long and prosper.

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DiddyLevine

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18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Seem to remember that religious messages are banned in football.

 

I do think that the player should have the right to refuse to wear the rainbow armband, which would make a lot more sense than scrawling on an armband.  And I have the right to think he’s a bigoted cunt, hiding behind the figure of someone who may not existed and of whom it can be said that if they did exist they said the sum total of sweet fuck all about homosexuality.  
 

No-one is arguing against his freedom of religion.  That doesn’t give you the right to proselytise in the workplace, though.  His rights to do what he chooses in his free time are not impacted.  

Prozletising is exactly what wearing the armband is

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22 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Seem to remember that religious messages are banned in football.

 

I do think that the player should have the right to refuse to wear the rainbow armband, which would make a lot more sense than scrawling on an armband.  And I have the right to think he’s a bigoted cunt, hiding behind the figure of someone who may not existed and of whom it can be said that if they did exist they said the sum total of sweet fuck all about homosexuality.  
 

No-one is arguing against his freedom of religion.  That doesn’t give you the right to proselytise in the workplace, though.  His rights to do what he chooses in his free time are not impacted.  

 

They are but it specifies on undergarments, so it's not clearcut.

 

M.28. When participating in a League Match no Player shall reveal undergarments that show political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images, or advertising other than a manufacturer’s logo. The Board may proceed under Section W (Disciplinary) of these Rules against either the Player or his Club or both for any breach of this Rule.

 

Strips can't be altered because the rules require that they are approved by the PL. In relation to armbands the rules say:

 

M.11. The captain of each team appearing in a League Match shall wear an armband provided by the League indicating his status as such.

 

So they might say it can only indicate his status as captain and should not have been altered.

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TheBrownBottle

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1 minute ago, DiddyLevine said:

Prozletising is exactly what wearing the armband is

Which is why I’m more comfortable with a refusal to wear it than to scrawl on it.  No-one should be forced to wear the rainbow armband; but I’ll also not worry at all about that person being criticised for their refusal.

 

Despite the huge numbers of professional players, the number who’ve ’came out’ is miniscule.  How many footballers are known to be religious (and love to bang on about it?). 
 

Football - like society - has a problem with homophobia.  But football’s is more pronounced than most places.  Inclusionary messaging - including public shaming (yes, regardless of sensitivities) - is often what changes the way in which society treats marginalised groups.  People are still abused, beaten, and killed because of the simple dint of having been born with same-sex attraction.  I’ve no sympathy for bigots referencing the Pauline epistles as a valid reason to exclude an entire group of people.  

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Heron

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It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

Meanwhile, religious leaders preach peace and to love fellow man but only if they like their God and not others :lol:

 

Apologies for being so facetious.

 

 

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madras

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Just now, Heron said:

It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

 

You'd almost think it was a plan.

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Just now, Heron said:

It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

 

 

Which media has caused this though? 

 

It's been driven by members of this forum this argument tbh.

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TheBrownBottle

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1 minute ago, Heron said:

It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

 

A lot of it is distracting ‘culture wars’ nonsense.  But there is a negative impact in terms of telling a sizeable proportion of the population that you think that their existence is sinful. 

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