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[SteV]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'm not even sure it was that. I think it's more down to the demographic of our season ticket holders as it was them who made up 99% of our crowd in the Cup final.

 

Our average ST holder is probably around 50 years old these days and it was obvious walking along Wembley way that our support was going to be mainly made up of people of a certain age. This was confirmed once I got inside the concourse where excitement levels appeared low and the atmosphere subdued. It didn't improve once we took our seats. Far more elderly people than I'd seen at my previous 4 Wembley visits, plus Cardiff and the 2 Old Trafford Semis.

 

Back in the 90s, 2000 when we got there the make up of our support was much different. Groups of mainly young lads. Typically they're the people who generate the atmosphere whilst those in their 50s, 60s, 70s more inclined to sit back and watch the match.

 

As poor as we were at Wembley I was more disappointed at how easily the Man Utd fans outsung us. I mean they weren't even that good themselves but our end was abysmal.

Surely it’s the same for a lot of other teams though? Certainly the more established/big teams anyway. Someone put up a stat on here a while back about the average age of Liverpool ST holders, and I forget the exact age, but it was getting on.

 

I think your overall point is absolutely valid though, as it’s a growing problem in this country, not just NUFC specifically, due to ludicrous popularity of attending matches these days.

 

It’s not just a case of getting younger fans in either. We’ll all been to early round cup games in the past that have clearly had a younger crowd in and the atmosphere has been shite, worse than a standard league game. 
 

You need to find a way to get ST’s for older teenagers, so they continue to be able to go as they progress into their 20’s/30’s and bring the ‘radgie’ element to the support, whilst at the same time losing some some of the idiocy we all have as teenagers.

 

How you do that when demand is completely outstripping supply, and pricing is only going one way, I have no idea.

[Wallsendmag]

19 minutes ago, SteV said:

Surely it’s the same for a lot of other teams though? Certainly the more established/big teams anyway. Someone put up a stat on here a while back about the average age of Liverpool ST holders, and I forget the exact age, but it was getting on.

 

I think your overall point is absolutely valid though, as it’s a growing problem in this country, not just NUFC specifically, due to ludicrous popularity of attending matches these days.

 

It’s not just a case of getting younger fans in either. We’ll all been to early round cup games in the past that have clearly had a younger crowd in and the atmosphere has been shite, worse than a standard league game. 
 

You need to find a way to get ST’s for older teenagers, so they continue to be able to go as they progress into their 20’s/30’s and bring the ‘radgie’ element to the support, whilst at the same time losing some some of the idiocy we all have as teenagers.

 

How you do that when demand is completely outstripping supply, and pricing is only going one way, I have no idea.

 

Not sure about that. One thing that was very noticeable walking down Wembley way was that Man Utd had a lot more groups of boisterous lads in their 20s, 30s, 40s than we did. Not sure how their ticketing system works but I'm very familiar with Chelsea's and they allocate all tickets for away games and neutral venues 60/40 ST holders/members and for the bigger games, semi finals and finals it goes on loyalty points which reset every season so members can build up points in the same way ST holders can. They probably have a worse supply/demand problem than we do given their 40k capacity.

 

Now I haven't got any data to back myself up here but I'd be 99% confident that the average age of your typical NUFC member will be far lower than the average age of your typical ST holder.

 

One thing I would do if we ever moved stadium or increased capacity is for any extra tickets give priority to people in the Under 25s age group. Sure Liverpool did something similar when they put the extra tier on their main stand. Priority for those with a Liverpool postcode and something like 8 quid ticket prices for Juniors up there. As you mentioned they have a bigger problem than we do with am ageing ST holder base.

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not sure about that. One thing that was very noticeable walking down Wembley way was that Man Utd had a lot more groups of boisterous lads in their 20s, 30s, 40s than we did. Not sure how their ticketing system works but I'm very familiar with Chelsea's and they allocate all tickets for away games and neutral venues 60/40 ST holders/members and for the bigger games, semi finals and finals it goes on loyalty points which reset every season so members can build up points in the same way ST holders can. They probably have a worse supply/demand problem than we do given their 40k capacity.

 

Now I haven't got any data to back myself up here but I'd be 99% confident that the average age of your typical NUFC member will be far lower than the average age of your typical ST holder.

 

One thing I would do if we ever moved stadium or increased capacity is for any extra tickets give priority to people in the Under 25s age group. Sure Liverpool did something similar when they put the extra tier on their main stand. Priority for those with a Liverpool postcode and something like 8 quid ticket prices for Juniors up there. As you mentioned they have a bigger problem than we do with am ageing ST holder base.

Perhaps the new PIF St James’ Park super stadium on the Town Moor will help alleviate the problem…

[bobbydazzla]

Derbies I've been to: 

 

River v Boca (mega, the Monumental was rammo)

Flamengo v Vasco (mega, Maracana only 50% full though)

Hearts v Hibs (decent enough)

Stocksfield vs West Wylam (lethal)

 

 

[Disco]

3 hours ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Bournemouth vs Southampton, this weekend. About 30 miles away from each other, is it a ‘passionate affair’? 

Nah, Saints (scummers) v Pompey (skates) is lively old affair though.