Guest Knightrider Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Today was the 20th time a different back-four had been tried out, and I don't care about ability or experience, no rear-guard will ever look strong with such instability and lack of consistency regardless of who plays. I feel for the poor buggas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 aye, totally agree the poor rich buggers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 My you're a cynic, I separate their wealth from their football, and speaking purely football, I feel sorry for the lads at the back, especially the younger players. Next time one breaks a leg though, I'll remember how much they earn and go "ha" or "meh" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 You would have a point, but I think it is starting to get to a time when inferior players are being played at centre back in preference to superior players because the superior player is younger, and Roeder wants to protect the youngster. The example I refer to, is of course Ramage being selected over Edgar who appears quicker and more composed, and better on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Edgar and Huntington had their first senior game together at CB today, didn't they? Surely you wouldn't have picked a totally new and inexperienced CB pairing when you've got a more experienced, but slightly less capable player to choose. That's gambling, and would do wonders to Ramage's probably not-so-great confidence. Then what if Hunty or Edgar was injured, and a confidence-shot Ramage had to play? I think Roeder made a sensible decision, even if he picked a poor player on an exceptionally poor day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Today was the 20th time a different back-four had been tried out, 19 according to Alan Green, coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Today was the 20th time a different back-four had been tried out, 19 according to Alan Green, coach 20th by the time the game finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 even with all the changes is anyone confident with any back 4 set up we send out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 How was Carr today? Was working during the first half, so I saw very little of it. My father said he was absolute shit the first 15-20 minutes, but mainly because he was playing out of position and acted as if LB was his natural position. From what I saw, he did a decent job. Nice to see a defender in black and white that doesn't panic when he gets the ball (even Nobby panics too often) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 How was Carr today? Was working during the first half, so I saw very little of it. My father said he was absolute shit the first 15-20 minutes, but mainly because he was playing out of position and acted as if LB was his natural position. From what I saw, he did a decent job. Nice to see a defender in black and white that doesn't panic when he gets the ball (even Nobby panics too often) No one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Carr was average, but then again he wasnt really tested at all today, in fact considering who he was up against, he had a very comfortable day. West Ham dont play with any wingers, Benayoun was coming infield alot and Cristian Daily was left to raid down their right wing - a player who cant dribble to save his life (centreback) and is certainly slower than Carr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Doesn't matter whether we've used 20 or 2 different backlines, you'll always concede when one of them tries passing out of defence and gives the ball away, gets skinned easily out on the flank when he's playing in the centre, plays everybody onside by about a yard, or gets caught wrong side of the striker...as has been the case with 4 of the 7 we've let in this week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 We've let in the same number of goals as Spurs and Reading yet you never hear about their defensive crisis or hear about they desperate need for new defenders. I'm not saying our defence is good BTW (it isn't) but it isn't as simple as people think, i.e. because they are shite players, the defence is shite. There are many factors behind our shite defense, ability not being the main one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 We've let in the same number of goals as Spurs and Reading yet you never hear about their defensive crisis or hear about they desperate need for new defenders. Shay Given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SmileyCulture Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 At the end of the day the number of changes in the defense is completely down to injuries and Roeder playing with the setup, Hunty and Edgar played their first senior match together against Man UTD and totaly dominated the players they were put up with, obviously resulting in our 2 - 2 draw with them (edgar even scored as i'm sure everyone knows!) then on the back of a very successful game where the defense looked reasonable ramage was deemed fit and instantly beat out edgar for a place in the team. Since Ramage returned we've looked absolutely diabolical at the back and the results show it all to well: 2-2, 3-2, 1-5, 2-2 (11 in 4 games even with Shay in goal!), all games that could have been won (or won convincingly in the spurs game) had we feided our stronger defenders - the first cup tye with birmingham would have easily been a win for us had it not been for our sloppy defending which would have meant no 1-5 whooping, no loss of taylor and no extra unnecessary game for the lads before the West Ham game. Solano, Taylor, Huntington, Edgar That doesn't sound like an amazingly bad back four to me, no matter how short of experiance two of the defenders are they're showing alot of promise and proving we don't have to go spend millions on middle aged players when we have players like Huntington and Edgar in our back garden. All in all Roeder made the call to choose Ramage as a more experianced player over a defense that looked solid and worked relatively well against Man UTD, throwing ramage into countless games where he causes problems and adversly effects our results isn't going to boost his confidence in defense, giving him a challange for his spot will push him to try that little bit harder on the training ground and maybe up his game to the point where he is back to the kind of form he showed not too long ago for a brief period. At this stage though i feel he's better off giving Huntington / Edgar a chance to show us what they have, blood them a little while we have so many players out and hopefully have them improve our overall performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hodgson09 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Ramage must be replaced. doesn't matter who by, i just hope his injury is a long one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ridzuan Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Ramage must be replaced. doesn't matter who by, i just hope his injury is a long one. Unfortunately for us all,he will only be out for 2 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hodgson09 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 unless ofcourse we sign a new defender, and/or players return from injury and take his place, or somehow just somehow someone "accidentally breaks his leg with a piano". Unfortunately i think your right, he may have even faked it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 unless ofcourse we sign a new defender, and/or players return from injury and take his place, or somehow just somehow someone "accidentally breaks his leg with a piano". Unfortunately i think your right, he may have even faked it. I doubt he faked it but when the game against Villa comes we will have some new players(hopefully some fedenders)and we will have Titus back He is not Franco Baresi but he is better than Ramage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I wouldn't be surprised if any NUFC player faked injury at this point in time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I wouldn't be surprised if any NUFC player faked injury at this point in time What kind of drugs are you using??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 At the end of the day the number of changes in the defense is completely down to injuries and Roeder playing with the setup, Hunty and Edgar played their first senior match together against Man UTD and totaly dominated the players they were put up with, obviously resulting in our 2 - 2 draw with them (edgar even scored as i'm sure everyone knows!) then on the back of a very successful game where the defense looked reasonable ramage was deemed fit and instantly beat out edgar for a place in the team. Since Ramage returned we've looked absolutely diabolical at the back and the results show it all to well: 2-2, 3-2, 1-5, 2-2 (11 in 4 games even with Shay in goal!), all games that could have been won (or won convincingly in the spurs game) had we feided our stronger defenders - the first cup tye with birmingham would have easily been a win for us had it not been for our sloppy defending which would have meant no 1-5 whooping, no loss of taylor and no extra unnecessary game for the lads before the West Ham game. Solano, Taylor, Huntington, Edgar That doesn't sound like an amazingly bad back four to me, no matter how short of experiance two of the defenders are they're showing alot of promise and proving we don't have to go spend millions on middle aged players when we have players like Huntington and Edgar in our back garden. All in all Roeder made the call to choose Ramage as a more experianced player over a defense that looked solid and worked relatively well against Man UTD, throwing ramage into countless games where he causes problems and adversly effects our results isn't going to boost his confidence in defense, giving him a challange for his spot will push him to try that little bit harder on the training ground and maybe up his game to the point where he is back to the kind of form he showed not too long ago for a brief period. At this stage though i feel he's better off giving Huntington / Edgar a chance to show us what they have, blood them a little while we have so many players out and hopefully have them improve our overall performance. Good post. Ramage simply inspires no confidence in his team mates or supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I wouldn't be surprised if any NUFC player faked injury at this point in time What kind of drugs are you using??? the same you use that make you think you know anything about football players p.s. Pressley will be getting champion's league football this season, will Peter Ramage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I wouldn't be surprised if any NUFC player faked injury at this point in time What kind of drugs are you using??? the same you use that make you think you know anything about football players p.s. Pressley will be getting champion's league football this season, will Peter Ramage? So will Kenny Miller, will Obafemi Martins? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 You lot love a good scapegoat don't you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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