Top marks for Roeder's transfer policy so far

[Guest BooBoo]

On the other side of the coin you could argue his hesitancy makes him out to be a ditherer. The Kuyt saga was an embarrassment.

On the contrary I'd say he did very well with Kuyt. Kuyt and his agents would have known about Liverpool's interest as well as Newcastle's pretty early in the summer. We obviously tried to sign him but failed but at the same time we had Martins watched several times and were able to go to Plan B and get our man.

 

Christ almighty, there's so many things wrong about this post, its difficult to know where to start.

[garth]

I feel the quicker we are shot of him the better the club will be, it's so obvious we are never going to get the players that we should be getting. I just don't think Roeder has that pulling power.

Money is a pulling power. So is playing in the first team every week.

 

Souness managed to get Owen here! What does that say about pulling power? Who would we replace Roeder with anyway? Ottmar Hitzfeld? I'm sure he'd die for the chance to manage us.  :

Roeder is still working on repairing NUFC after Souness. I can see why NUFC struggle to attract players and top managers. Some fans hate half the team (Bramble, Ameobi, etc) and want the manager sacked if we don't go from a relegation fight to champions league in a season.

 

But the fact is he will never, get us fighting for top four with his tactics and I think the West Ham game showed that, after they got the second goal the TV cameras zoomed on his face and the look said it all, "I just don't have clue what to do next", I'm afraid he doe's not inspire me with faith.

[Cajun]

I feel the quicker we are shot of him the better the club will be, it's so obvious we are never going to get the players that we should be getting. I just don't think Roeder has that pulling power.

Money is a pulling power. So is playing in the first team every week.

 

Souness managed to get Owen here! What does that say about pulling power? Who would we replace Roeder with anyway? Ottmar Hitzfeld? I'm sure he'd die for the chance to manage us.  :

Roeder is still working on repairing NUFC after Souness. I can see why NUFC struggle to attract players and top managers. Some fans hate half the team (Bramble, Ameobi, etc) and want the manager sacked if we don't go from a relegation fight to champions league in a season.

 

But the fact is he will never, get us fighting for top four with his tactics and I think the West Ham game showed that, after they got the second goal the TV cameras zoomed on his face and the look said it all, "I just don't have clue what to do next", I'm afraid he doe's not inspire me with faith.

 

:lol:

[Guest BooBoo]

I'm afraid I agree Jon. Roeder increasingly looks like a man who is at a loss to know what to do.

[Cajun]

I really thought the thread title was sarcastic when I first saw it

 

Next I think we will have "Well done Carr you really are one of the best right backs in the league"

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

I feel the quicker we are shot of him the better the club will be, it's so obvious we are never going to get the players that we should be getting. I just don't think Roeder has that pulling power.

Money is a pulling power. So is playing in the first team every week.

 

Souness managed to get Owen here! What does that say about pulling power? Who would we replace Roeder with anyway? Ottmar Hitzfeld? I'm sure he'd die for the chance to manage us.  :

Roeder is still working on repairing NUFC after Souness. I can see why NUFC struggle to attract players and top managers. Some fans hate half the team (Bramble, Ameobi, etc) and want the manager sacked if we don't go from a relegation fight to champions league in a season.

 

But the fact is he will never, get us fighting for top four with his tactics and I think the West Ham game showed that, after they got the second goal the TV cameras zoomed on his face and the look said it all, "I just don't have clue what to do next", I'm afraid he doe's not inspire me with faith.

 

you think we'd be in the top 4 with a different manager?

 

jesus

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

I feel the quicker we are shot of him the better the club will be, it's so obvious we are never going to get the players that we should be getting. I just don't think Roeder has that pulling power.

Money is a pulling power. So is playing in the first team every week.

 

Souness managed to get Owen here! What does that say about pulling power? Who would we replace Roeder with anyway? Ottmar Hitzfeld? I'm sure he'd die for the chance to manage us.  :

Roeder is still working on repairing NUFC after Souness. I can see why NUFC struggle to attract players and top managers. Some fans hate half the team (Bramble, Ameobi, etc) and want the manager sacked if we don't go from a relegation fight to champions league in a season.

 

But the fact is he will never, get us fighting for top four with his tactics and I think the West Ham game showed that, after they got the second goal the TV cameras zoomed on his face and the look said it all, "I just don't have clue what to do next", I'm afraid he doe's not inspire me with faith.

He must have said something to the team at half time because they came out fighting. It's an excuse but I think our team will be tired compared to most because more or less the same players have been playing every game for weeks.

 

I never said Roeder was the man to get us back into the top 4. What I said was he is steadying the ship. Like I said, it's not as if we needed a shity stick to stop the top managers applying for the NUFC job. Having said that, I think if Owen had been fit this season we'd have easily been top 8 if not top 6. Check the table. We're only 7 points off 6th (and 10 points off 18th).

 

We aren't half as an attractive prospect to managers as we once were. The famous crowd has turned into a crowd that doesn't live up to the hype anymore and are just as likely to turn on the team as support them. Souness pissed away our money (with Shepherd's backing). It doesn't exactly scream "come here".

[garth]

I feel the quicker we are shot of him the better the club will be, it's so obvious we are never going to get the players that we should be getting. I just don't think Roeder has that pulling power.

Money is a pulling power. So is playing in the first team every week.

 

Souness managed to get Owen here! What does that say about pulling power? Who would we replace Roeder with anyway? Ottmar Hitzfeld? I'm sure he'd die for the chance to manage us.  :

Roeder is still working on repairing NUFC after Souness. I can see why NUFC struggle to attract players and top managers. Some fans hate half the team (Bramble, Ameobi, etc) and want the manager sacked if we don't go from a relegation fight to champions league in a season.

 

But the fact is he will never, get us fighting for top four with his tactics and I think the West Ham game showed that, after they got the second goal the TV cameras zoomed on his face and the look said it all, "I just don't have clue what to do next", I'm afraid he doe's not inspire me with faith.

 

you think we'd be in the top 4 with a different manager?

 

jesus

 

Well golleee!, yes I do! 

[tmonkey]

So far, Roeder has:

 

- Stated he would only sign players who would make first team players into squad players, yet signed Bernard, Sibi and Rossi.

- Signed Duff for 5mill and 70k per week wages, when we had 3 players capable of playing on the left wing well (NZog, Mliner, Luque) as well as several good backups for that position (Dyer, Emre). Bolllocks was that a position we needed a reinforcement for, it was merely a big name signing that was easy to make because the player wanted to come here (his poker buddies are here, large wages, and a comfy place for someone already on the downslope of their career).

- Scouted Kuyt during the world cup and pre season friendlies

- Stating hes interested in Kuyt whilst at the same time Kuyt is signing for Pool. He got played by Kuyt and his agent, and publicly so.

- Turned down Campbell because hes too old, saying he only wants young players. Sibi is only a kid at 32.

- Earlier in the summer stated he wouldnt be interested in Woodgate because of fitness issues, only to attempt to sign him when Boro made a move.

- Paniced at the last minute and bidded more for Huth than Boro paid (6mill). Huth turned us down.

- Failed deadline day bids for Zat Knight and Mark Viduka. What was he doing all summer again?

- Tried to offload Milner at the last second, then had to embarassingly ask for him to come back. Weve been lucky that Roeder failed miserably in the transfer market that day, otherwise wed probably have signed some donkey like Knight/Viduka/Huth and be watching Milner score regularly for someone else.

- Signed an unfit Bernard without any clue about his fitness. Or if he did know about his fitness, then thats even worse.

- Loaned a kid from a club most of us still remember to be rivals, a useless signing if there ever was one.

 

He had all summer to make his moves, and all summer he talked the talk, but twiddled his thumbs whilst other clubs were signing players left right and centre, then ended up making last ditch panic moves for players he could have gotten ages ago if he wanted.

 

Its not good management to only wait for players who are definately good. It could take years to have the "right" player want to come to us. Look at Sorin for example - im betting we werent interested because we had our sights set on Wayne Bridge, who behind the scenes probably said he would like to come to us. A few months later, Bridge is playing regularly for Chelsea and we end up getting noone and with noone of any quality available.

[Guest BooBoo]

So far, Roeder has:

 

- Stated he would only sign players who would make first team players into squad players, yet signed Bernard, Sibi and Rossi.

- Signed Duff for 5mill and 70k per week wages, when we had 3 players capable of playing on the left wing well (NZog, Mliner, Luque) as well as several good backups for that position (Dyer, Emre). Bolllocks was that a position we needed a reinforcement for, it was merely a big name signing that was easy to make because the player wanted to come here (his poker buddies are here, large wages, and a comfy place for someone already on the downslope of their career).

- Scouted Kuyt during the world cup and pre season friendlies

- Stating hes interested in Kuyt whilst at the same time Kuyt is signing for Pool. He got played by Kuyt and his agent, and publicly so.

- Turned down Campbell because hes too old, saying he only wants young players. Sibi is only a kid at 32.

- Earlier in the summer stated he wouldnt be interested in Woodgate because of fitness issues, only to attempt to sign him when Boro made a move.

- Paniced at the last minute and bidded more for Huth than Boro paid (6mill). Huth turned us down.

- Failed deadline day bids for Zat Knight and Mark Viduka. What was he doing all summer again?

- Tried to offload Milner at the last second, then had to embarassingly ask for him to come back. Weve been lucky that Roeder failed miserably in the transfer market that day, otherwise wed probably have signed some donkey like Knight/Viduka/Huth and be watching Milner score regularly for someone else.

- Signed an unfit Bernard without any clue about his fitness. Or if he did know about his fitness, then thats even worse.

- Loaned a kid from a club most of us still remember to be rivals, a useless signing if there ever was one.

 

He had all summer to make his moves, and all summer he talked the talk, but twiddled his thumbs whilst other clubs were signing players left right and centre, then ended up making last ditch panic moves for players he could have gotten ages ago if he wanted.

 

Its not good management to only wait for players who are definately good. It could take years to have the "right" player want to come to us. Look at Sorin for example - im betting we werent interested because we had our sights set on Wayne Bridge, who behind the scenes probably said he would like to come to us. A few months later, Bridge is playing regularly for Chelsea and we end up getting noone and with noone of any quality available.

 

It's difficult to argue with any of this. Roeder has shown himself to be incompetent at playing the transfer market.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

tmonkey, I agree with some of your points (I don't think Roeder is perfect) but to be fair to him he only signed Sibierski on a short term deal. Campbell, Lauren, etc will have probably wanted at least 2 year contracts on big wages. There was a question mark over Campbell's fitness. With the benefit of hindsight we should have got him but if he'd been signed as a crock Roeder would have got the blame. We wanted Woodgate but he turned us down so he could play for his home town club for at least a season in his career. As for trying to sign Huth on the last day, if the papers are to be believed (and people pick and choose what they believe to suit their argument) Huth was Roeder's number one choice but Shepherd waited until the last minute.

 

Anyway, most deals happen on the last couple of days of the transfer window. We may yet bring some players in. Ferguson was in the papers yesterday saying he was hitting a brick wall with the players he wants to sign. It's not always as easy as picking a player.

[Cajun]

Sibierski signed a new contract so will be here for 2 years. Sibierski or Campbell? though one i know!

 

Ferguson only really wants one player and its a player who is playing for one of the top sides in the world. Plus its Manchester United so Bayern will obviously ask for too much. Fact is Ferguson already has a good enough squad so he can target the one player and put all his efforts into that, we dont have that luxury!

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

Sibierski signed a new contract so will be here for 2 years. Sibierski or Campbell? though one i know!

 

Ferguson only really wants one player and its a player who is playing for one of the top sides in the world. Plus its Manchester United so Bayern will obviously ask for too much. Fact is Ferguson already has a good enough squad so he can target the one player and put all his efforts into that, we dont have that luxury!

Sibierski was given a 1 season contract and his wages will be nothing compared to Campbell. I understand that Sibierski will be offered another year but I don't know if he's been given it yet. Don't forget Campbell had gone 'a bit mad' in his last days at Arsenal and had been injured a lot. Personally I'd have signed Campbell but it's always easy with hindsight anyway.

 

Don't get me wrong, I know we need new players. I'm just trying to offer the other side to the argument.

[Crumpy Gunt]

Roeder is here as manager because;

 

A - Shepherd quite literally couldn't find anyone else to take the job.

 

B - As a result of Roeder knowing this is one more chance than his talent deserves he's quite happy to let Fred walk all over him. Freds percect low maintainance manager.

 

 

 

 

[tmonkey]

There also seems to be absolutely no planning or strategy involved in our squad building.

 

For example, we sold Boumsong and released Elliott. 2 centrebacks, both of whom played plenty of games last season combined. Who were their replacements? Noone. Absolutely noone came in.

 

So what was our manager doing? Were the replacements already lined up? Clearly, they werent. The first centreback we made a move for was Woodgate, a player who the manager implied in a radio interview that he didnt want (good player, but too injury prone, good luck to him wherever he goes, etc). Then came the panic bids - Huth, who we must have bidded at least 7mill for, and Zat Knight.

 

Elliott could be replaced by an academy defender if thought to be good enough, thats acceptable, but Boumsong needed to be replaced by a defender who would be comfortably good in the Premiership on a regular basis, ie a first team centreback. Ramage, Moore, Bramble were not going to be adequate partners for Taylor if we had any sort of ambition, thats not a mystery to anyone because even the manager knew it since he felt the need to bid big for the likes of Huth.

 

So why was noone lined up for the impending sale of Boumsong, and big money bids for average players put in during the last few days of the window?

 

Its like the management dont learn. We did this when we sold Woodgate, we didnt bother lining up a replacement and paid the price for half a season when we leaked goals in left, right and centre until we spent big on another centreback in the following window. Granted Boumsong was never good for us, but essentially weve done the same thing again - sold a first team defender (on paper) without getting a replacement lined up, and shipped goals for fun since then.

 

The whole point of having a good manager is that hell prevent things like this happening. A decent manager would have seen this coming, plenty on this board saw it, and theyd have attempted to play the market right to cover these gaps and prevent the club from suffering in the short term simply because he couldnt get his first choice targets. Sir Bobby did this, he signed players who he saw had some talent that the side he wanted could use, he didnt wait around for the perfect candidates to become available, and pretty soon we were a good team. Then again, Sir Bobby was a good manager.

[Guest Knightrider]

Agree fully with Tmonkey although I don't think Roeder can be fully to blame, which is where Crumpy's comments come in and again, spot on.

[Dokko]

There also seems to be absolutely no planning or strategy involved in our squad building.

 

For example, we sold Boumsong and released Elliott. 2 centrebacks, both of whom played plenty of games last season combined. Who were their replacements? Noone. Absolutely noone came in.

 

So what was our manager doing? Were the replacements already lined up? Clearly, they werent. The first centreback we made a move for was Woodgate, a player who the manager implied in a radio interview that he didnt want (good player, but too injury prone, good luck to him wherever he goes, etc). Then came the panic bids - Huth, who we must have bidded at least 7mill for, and Zat Knight.

 

Elliott could be replaced by an academy defender if thought to be good enough, thats acceptable, but Boumsong needed to be replaced by a defender who would be comfortably good in the Premiership on a regular basis, ie a first team centreback. Ramage, Moore, Bramble were not going to be adequate partners for Taylor if we had any sort of ambition, thats not a mystery to anyone because even the manager knew it since he felt the need to bid big for the likes of Huth.

 

So why was noone lined up for the impending sale of Boumsong, and big money bids for average players put in during the last few days of the window?

 

Its like the management dont learn. We did this when we sold Woodgate, we didnt bother lining up a replacement and paid the price for half a season when we leaked goals in left, right and centre until we spent big on another centreback in the following window. Granted Boumsong was never good for us, but essentially weve done the same thing again - sold a first team defender (on paper) without getting a replacement lined up, and shipped goals for fun since then.

 

The whole point of having a good manager is that hell prevent things like this happening. A decent manager would have seen this coming, plenty on this board saw it, and theyd have attempted to play the market right to cover these gaps and prevent the club from suffering in the short term simply because he couldnt get his first choice targets. Sir Bobby did this, he signed players who he saw had some talent that the side he wanted could use, he didnt wait around for the perfect candidates to become available, and pretty soon we were a good team. Then again, Sir Bobby was a good manager.

 

You are not allowed to plan apparently when it comes to signing players and building for the future.

 

 

[Cajun]

Yep, you just sign whatever comes available no matter what position they play in *cough DUFF cough*

[Guest Knightrider]

KK's was the best policy, you buy players short-term to do a job short-tearm along with long-term players for where you want to be at and when you have the chance to buy real class, you do so when the opportunity comes around. That way you cover everything, Now THAT was real planning.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

good managers plan for these situations?

 

aye mourinho's done a fantastic job

[Dokko]

good managers plan for these situations?

 

aye mourinho's done a fantastic job

 

Jose had Gallas taken off him without him even knowing about it.

 

Chelsea with Gallas this season would be in a much stronger position.

 

 

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

good managers plan for these situations?

 

aye mourinho's done a fantastic job

 

Jose had Gallas taken off him without him even knowing about it.

 

Chelsea with Gallas this season would be in a much stronger position.

 

 

 

 

oh right, so NUFC aren't a special case then?

[Dokko]

good managers plan for these situations?

 

aye mourinho's done a fantastic job

 

Jose had Gallas taken off him without him even knowing about it.

 

Chelsea with Gallas this season would be in a much stronger position.

 

 

 

 

oh right, so NUFC aren't a special case then?

 

What?