Owen

[Ronaldo]

Got beat 5-1 against Blackburn as well didnt we?

 

Yep, and I don't think Owen played in as good a Newcastle side as what Shearer did, so it's a shocking comparison tbh. I'm sure if Owen, even today, had Robert, Bellamy, Solano, Speed & Dyer around him, he'd still easily get 15-20 a season while fit. Stick Shearer in this team, and he'd struggle to 10.

 

The current Owen compared to Shearer at his best for us? No chance.

 

agreed. Shearer wasn't  quite at his best when Robert and Solano were in the team but he was still a fucking great striker and a great player up until 2004. Owen is neither and hasn't been for years

 

Owen should never be compared to Shearer, different types of player, all Owen has ever had on Shearer is a yard of pace but even that's gone now, not fit to wipe Shearer's arse to be honest

[Frazzle]

Claiming Bent is a better player than Owen is laughable to be honest. Carry on

 

Bent has 10 league goals this season, better than Owen, and only 5 behind the premiership's top scorer. Bent hasn't started  nearly as many as Owen either

 

Is Capello laughable? because he clearly agrees with me. Owen has failed at international level post 98. He's chipped in with a few goals in friendlies but where it matters he hasn't delivered. He's England's 6th choice striker now, and rightfully so

 

 

What a gigantic load of BS

LOL

 

So Owen didnt take part in that 5-1 win in Germany when he got a hattrick. He didnt score any goals in qualification for the 2002 world cup did he. He also didnt score against Brazil in a game during the world cup that we SHOULD have gone on to win had it not been for Ronaldinho and Seamans awful level of vision.

 

Atleast try to back up your pointlessly illogical hatred of Owen with the smallest hint of a half decent argument.

 

The ironic thing is Owen game has suffered with numerous injuries which Ronaldo now criticizes a great deal - ignoring the fact Owen is in a very very poor team, yet the player in his picture hasn't been the same player for a hugeee number of years for very same reasons.  Which he will probably now try to defend.

 

Shearer was never the same player once he got injured but he adapted his game to become a more rounded player. I agree that Owen is not the same player he was in 1998 but his record speaks for himself. He will score goals when playing in a decent team and he also creates chances and links up play well.

 

My issue is not with his scoring and play but with his general attitude. He clearly is not match fit, has been out for some time and there are reserve teams going on. Danny Guthrie came back last night in the reserves, was hungry and has now got minutes of play in his legs. Where was St Michael? If he wants to play for England and wants to get back scoring goals he should be in the reserves until sufficiently fit.

 

Shearer had the brains but more importantly the physical stature to be able to change his game.Owen has not,and a blind man on a galloping horse could've predicted that once Owen's speed had gone then he would be nigh on finished as a top level striker.

 

During Keegan's reign Owen was something like the 3rd most prolific striker in the PL, so that argument isn't really true.

[Frazzle]

make up your own mind if that's a half-decent arguement or not. Owen's fans are typically the ones who listen to dickheads in the media like Chris Waddle who are happy to ignore the fact that it's been 11 years since WC 1998.

 

Better to listen to the media than make uninformed rants with a chip on your shoulder.

[Ronaldo]

make up your own mind if that's a half-decent arguement or not. Owen's fans are typically the ones who listen to dickheads in the media like Chris Waddle who are happy to ignore the fact that it's been 11 years since WC 1998.

 

Better to listen to the media than make uninformed rants with a chip on your shoulder.

 

read my post, it's backed up with numbers.

 

Or do you think 4 goals in 15 starts represents good form for a player who gives you nowt but goals?

[Incognito]

Claiming Bent is a better player than Owen is laughable to be honest. Carry on

 

Bent has 10 league goals this season, better than Owen, and only 5 behind the premiership's top scorer. Bent hasn't started  nearly as many as Owen either

 

Is Capello laughable? because he clearly agrees with me. Owen has failed at international level post 98. He's chipped in with a few goals in friendlies but where it matters he hasn't delivered. He's England's 6th choice striker now, and rightfully so

 

 

What a gigantic load of BS

LOL

 

So Owen didnt take part in that 5-1 win in Germany when he got a hattrick. He didnt score any goals in qualification for the 2002 world cup did he. He also didnt score against Brazil in a game during the world cup that we SHOULD have gone on to win had it not been for Ronaldinho and Seamans awful level of vision.

 

Atleast try to back up your pointlessly illogical hatred of Owen with the smallest hint of a half decent argument.

 

The ironic thing is Owen game has suffered with numerous injuries which Ronaldo now criticizes a great deal - ignoring the fact Owen is in a very very poor team, yet the player in his picture hasn't been the same player for a hugeee number of years for very same reasons.  Which he will probably now try to defend.

 

Shearer was never the same player once he got injured but he adapted his game to become a more rounded player. I agree that Owen is not the same player he was in 1998 but his record speaks for himself. He will score goals when playing in a decent team and he also creates chances and links up play well.

 

My issue is not with his scoring and play but with his general attitude. He clearly is not match fit, has been out for some time and there are reserve teams going on. Danny Guthrie came back last night in the reserves, was hungry and has now got minutes of play in his legs. Where was St Michael? If he wants to play for England and wants to get back scoring goals he should be in the reserves until sufficiently fit.

 

Shearer had the brains but more importantly the physical stature to be able to change his game.Owen has not,and a blind man on a galloping horse could've predicted that once Owen's speed had gone then he would be nigh on finished as a top level striker.

 

During Keegan's reign Owen was something like the 3rd most prolific striker in the PL, so that argument isn't really true.

 

During Keegans reign,Owen didn't play as a striker most of the time.

[Jayson]

make up your own mind if that's a half-decent arguement or not. Owen's fans are typically the ones who listen to dickheads in the media like Chris Waddle who are happy to ignore the fact that it's been 11 years since WC 1998.

 

Better to listen to the media than make uninformed rants with a chip on your shoulder.

 

read my post, it's backed up with numbers.

 

Or do you think 4 goals in 15 starts represents good form for a player who gives you nowt but goals?

 

Problem you have is that your argument that he provides nothing but goals is only based on his recent form for Newcastle.  Under keegan behind the front two he often was the one linking up play half the time. He has done the same for England, often dropping back a bit unless told to stay upfront. His movement also gives opportunitys to any strike partner as he is an intelligent player who knows how to drag defenders around, providing his strike partner then gets the service to make this any use to anyone.

 

Add the fact that hes a class finisher & you have a very good player.

 

Certainly not a Shearer & clearly not a world class captain. But a very good player who is being underused by us CLEARLY.

[Ronaldo]

very good player how? the cunt doesn't even have a left foot.

 

class finisher my prick, he's a decent finisher these days who misses 1 easy chance for every chance taken

[Shearergol]

very good player how? the cunt doesn't even have a left foot.

 

class finisher my prick, he's a decent finisher these days who misses 1 easy chance for every chance taken

 

Cunt? People would pay more attention to you if you weren't so personal about him tbh.

[Ronaldo]

sorry, the lovely lad is without a left foot

[Shearergol]

sorry, the lovely lad is without a left foot

 

"bloke" would do

[Guest]

This appointment might just get an extra 4-5 goals from him before he goes. Going to be a huge lift for him.

[STM]

If we stay up, Shearer stays and so does Owen.

[Ronaldo]

lets hope not, regarding Owen

[Dave]

Keep us up you rich cunt.

[Guest neesy111]

lets hope not, regarding Owen

 

yeah, this club will not move forward with owen at the club

[Jayson]

Claiming Bent is a better player than Owen is laughable to be honest. Carry on

 

Bent has 10 league goals this season, better than Owen, and only 5 behind the premiership's top scorer. Bent hasn't started  nearly as many as Owen either

 

Is Capello laughable? because he clearly agrees with me. Owen has failed at international level post 98. He's chipped in with a few goals in friendlies but where it matters he hasn't delivered. He's England's 6th choice striker now, and rightfully so

 

 

What a gigantic load of BS

LOL

 

So Owen didnt take part in that 5-1 win in Germany when he got a hattrick. He didnt score any goals in qualification for the 2002 world cup did he. He also didnt score against Brazil in a game during the world cup that we SHOULD have gone on to win had it not been for Ronaldinho and Seamans awful level of vision.

 

Atleast try to back up your pointlessly illogical hatred of Owen with the smallest hint of a half decent argument.

 

looks at Owen's stats for the qualification games for euro 00 and 04, and wc 2002 and 06 and of course the tournaments themselves in which his record is 4 goals in 15 games.

 

Not even 1 in 3 for a player who gives nowt to the team but goals? That's what i mean. Since 2000 his record for England is nowt to speak of, he's never covered himself in glory, even with the brilliant service he's recieved.

 

make up your own mind if that's a half-decent arguement or not. Owen's fans are typically the ones who listen to dickheads in the media like Chris Waddle who are happy to ignore the fact that it's been 11 years since WC 1998.

 

 

Looked at owens stats for euro 00 and 04 and wc 02 & 06 just for you.

 

 

In qualifying for euro 00 owen started 3, scored in 2 games. (Came on as a late sub Twice.)

In qualifying for WC 02 Owen started 6, scored in 4 games. Finishing our top scorer with 6 goals.

In qualifying for euro 04 Owen started 7, scored in 4 games. Finishing our top scorer with 5 goals.

In qualifying for WC 06 Owen started 9, scored in 3 games. Finishing our 2nd top scorer with 3 goals, 1 behind Lampard.

In qualifying for euro 08 Owen started 5, scored in 3 games. Finishing our 2nd top scorer with 4 goals, 1 behind Crouch.

 

 

So bar qualifying for 06 (Your best case) where he scored 1 in 3, Owen has scored more than 1 in 2 in every qualifying comp since 1998.

Even in his worst examples, he was only 1 off our top scorers. Ie, no one else could do barely any more with the "Brilliant service" you claim there was.

He has scored 20 in qualifying for major tournaments since 1998, Beckham being the next behind him with 10, Gerrard with 7.

 

 

In the major comps he's scored 4 yes. Goals against Portugal, Brazil, Denmark & Romania.

Only Rooney has an equal record during major tournaments for England & a better goal per game ratio in major tournaments for England since 1998. This is because he scored 2 goals in 2 games against Switzerland & Croatia during Euro 2004.

 

Summed up,

 

you're full of bs.

[Jayson]

very good player how? the c*** doesn't even have a left foot.

 

class finisher my prick, he's a decent finisher these days who misses 1 easy chance for every chance taken

 

How is this a good response to my argument he clearly showed he could link up play under Keegan, which is what you were having a go about.

 

You cant just claim nonsense, then move onto your next moronic opinion endlessly when you've no response.

[Ronaldo]

You think any of the above stats vindicate a striker whose any real impact on a game is goals? Especially in a team with creatively brilliant players like Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham and Cole

 

He's been on the wain for 5 years and your stats demonstrate that to be honest. Nice sidestep for the 4 in 15 stat btw. He's let England badly down in the tournaments, pathetic record for a 'goalscorer'

 

Owen fans, bunch of wankers clinging to a Ballon d'or winner to validate their club, pathetic

[Dave]

Keep it civil lads ffs.

[Jayson]

Hows it a sidestep when you cannot produce a striker for England who has a better record than 4 goals in major tournaments since 1998 ??

 

On the wain??? He scored more in less games in qualifying for Euro 2008 than he did in qualifying for euro 2006. Another brilliant claim.

 

Think its clear for everyone to see that most of what you're saying is nonsense.

Ill leave it at that.

 

 

 

[Ronaldo]

He was injured for a lot of the Euro 2006 qualifiers, surprise surprise so that's a daft point to make.

 

Out of interest what was his record for Euro 06 qualifying? funny you didn't mention it

 

England produced Wayne Rooney who managed 4 goals in a single tournament pal. 4 goals for Owen in 4 tournaments is pathetic, whichever way you want to spin it

[dcmk]

He was injured for a lot of the Euro 2006 qualifiers, surprise surprise so that's a daft point to make.

 

Out of interest what was his record for Euro 06 qualifying? funny you didn't mention it

 

England produced Wayne Rooney who managed 4 goals in a single tournament pal. 4 goals for Owen in 4 tournaments is pathetic, whichever way you want to spin it

 

How long was Rooney's goal drought for England??

[Ronaldo]

Rooney literally gives 10 times more to the england team than Owen, whether he is scoring or not. Course he's a better goalscorer than Owen anyway

[dcmk]

England:

Owen:  89 caps 40 goals

Rooney:  49 caps 21 goals.

 

So even with Owen not really doing anything for England since WC98 he still has a better goal ratio than Rooney.

 

His Newcastle record is 64 appearances 26 goals. 

Rooney for Man Utd 148 appearances 62 goals. 

 

Both about 2.4 appearances to a goal.  So your argument isn't really supported by any figures.  Owen CAN hold the ball up, link up play, etc when asked to do that role.  End of previous season, head and shoulders our best player.

[dcmk]

Not to mention, the kind of team Rooney plays in where they score about 3 times as many as Newcastle create 10 plus chances a game, win ratio well over 50%.