NUFC06 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Problem is Owen might be here, unlike many others I still have a lot of faith in Martins. The negative parts of his game are nowhere near what some people make out and he has had a good first season in the premiership. The lad is still young and has goals in him even in a team that is vastly underperforming like we have this season. Agree with you about Martins He is super talent and i hope that he'll remain with us next season. If not i hope we dont sell him for less then 15m because that would be a disgrace About people wanting Anelka as a replacement for Martins: Martins-43=17 goals Anelka-38=12 goals I would rather go for Darren Bent instead of Anelka Bent-34=15 goals The negative parts of Martins' game, i.e. his movement and touch, are pretty shocking imo. Under the right manager the firt one will be transformed to more productive element of his game. Under Roeder he ran like a clueless chicken Under Allardyce his runs will be more reasonable and if he has some decent player playing alongside him who is good in the air he will get even better and his runs will be even more productive. Remember Shearer-Bellamy partnership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Asking a lot of a manager to significantly chang that aspect of a 22 year old's game imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Problem is Owen might be here, unlike many others I still have a lot of faith in Martins. The negative parts of his game are nowhere near what some people make out and he has had a good first season in the premiership. The lad is still young and has goals in him even in a team that is vastly underperforming like we have this season. Agree with you about Martins He is super talent and i hope that he'll remain with us next season. If not i hope we dont sell him for less then 15m because that would be a disgrace About people wanting Anelka as a replacement for Martins: Martins-43=17 goals Anelka-38=12 goals I would rather go for Darren Bent instead of Anelka Bent-34=15 goals The negative parts of Martins' game, i.e. his movement and touch, are pretty shocking imo. Under the right manager the firt one will be transformed to more productive element of his game. Under Roeder he ran like a clueless chicken Under Allardyce his runs will be more reasonable and if he has some decent player playing alongside him who is good in the air he will get even better and his runs will be even more productive. Remember Shearer-Bellamy partnership? What makes you think that he will now learn something (movement) he couldn't learn in Italy, probably the most tactical astute league, under various high profile managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Problem is Owen might be here, unlike many others I still have a lot of faith in Martins. The negative parts of his game are nowhere near what some people make out and he has had a good first season in the premiership. The lad is still young and has goals in him even in a team that is vastly underperforming like we have this season. Agree with you about Martins He is super talent and i hope that he'll remain with us next season. If not i hope we dont sell him for less then 15m because that would be a disgrace About people wanting Anelka as a replacement for Martins: Martins-43=17 goals Anelka-38=12 goals I would rather go for Darren Bent instead of Anelka Bent-34=15 goals The negative parts of Martins' game, i.e. his movement and touch, are pretty shocking imo. Under the right manager the firt one will be transformed to more productive element of his game. Under Roeder he ran like a clueless chicken Under Allardyce his runs will be more reasonable and if he has some decent player playing alongside him who is good in the air he will get even better and his runs will be even more productive. Remember Shearer-Bellamy partnership? He's not that coachable imo. He's more an headless chicken instinctive player you'll never change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChickenKiev Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 i hope he stays - but if he does go, i hope we don't replace him with the inferior anelka mackems.gif Utter rubbish. your oppinon - which you are entitled to, just as i am to mine... Well explain it a bit please. How is Martins better than Anelka? quicker, younger, potential to become better, great strike at times anelka is performing at or even above his potential atm, he has a long record of being a whining little girl, he changes clubs almost every year, he does not score all that many goals.... i'm not saying he is a bad player, just that i think martins is a better option for us, and that oba will become a much greater player than anelka. on top of that, to quote peter schmeichel: "he is the laziest player i have ever trained with, he is the last to arrive at the training ground every day, and always the first to leave" Anelka better than Martins! I've heard it all now. Now that is "utter rubbish". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 i hope he stays - but if he does go, i hope we don't replace him with the inferior anelka mackems.gif Utter rubbish. your oppinon - which you are entitled to, just as i am to mine... Well explain it a bit please. How is Martins better than Anelka? quicker, younger, potential to become better, great strike at times anelka is performing at or even above his potential atm, he has a long record of being a whining little girl, he changes clubs almost every year, he does not score all that many goals.... i'm not saying he is a bad player, just that i think martins is a better option for us, and that oba will become a much greater player than anelka. on top of that, to quote peter schmeichel: "he is the laziest player i have ever trained with, he is the last to arrive at the training ground every day, and always the first to leave" Anelka better than Martins! I've heard it all now. Now that is "utter rubbish". We'll see what Big Sam thinks soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Problem is Owen might be here, unlike many others I still have a lot of faith in Martins. The negative parts of his game are nowhere near what some people make out and he has had a good first season in the premiership. The lad is still young and has goals in him even in a team that is vastly underperforming like we have this season. Agree with you about Martins He is super talent and i hope that he'll remain with us next season. If not i hope we dont sell him for less then 15m because that would be a disgrace About people wanting Anelka as a replacement for Martins: Martins-43=17 goals Anelka-38=12 goals I would rather go for Darren Bent instead of Anelka Bent-34=15 goals The negative parts of Martins' game, i.e. his movement and touch, are pretty shocking imo. Under the right manager the firt one will be transformed to more productive element of his game. Under Roeder he ran like a clueless chicken Under Allardyce his runs will be more reasonable and if he has some decent player playing alongside him who is good in the air he will get even better and his runs will be even more productive. Remember Shearer-Bellamy partnership? What makes you think that he will now learn something (movement) he couldn't learn in Italy, probably the most tactical astute league, under various high profile managers? Can you talk some feking sense into them please Ise. blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Anelka is also a player who is liable to get the hump and ask to leave at any given point, if he gets the hump with us in a couple of seasons do you think there is any chance at all of us getting anything close to what we paid for him? Honestly cannot believe the stick Martins is getting but then he is playing for Newcastle so it shouldn't be a shock! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon_Crazy Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 If he is to go we have to make a profit off him, he has proven himself in the premiership now..(well he's getting there anyway)..To break even would be just stupid if he is happy to stay here. It depends alot on whether Michael stays or goes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Problem is Owen might be here, unlike many others I still have a lot of faith in Martins. The negative parts of his game are nowhere near what some people make out and he has had a good first season in the premiership. The lad is still young and has goals in him even in a team that is vastly underperforming like we have this season. Agree with you about Martins He is super talent and i hope that he'll remain with us next season. If not i hope we dont sell him for less then 15m because that would be a disgrace About people wanting Anelka as a replacement for Martins: Martins-43=17 goals Anelka-38=12 goals I would rather go for Darren Bent instead of Anelka Bent-34=15 goals Try counting the PL goals only and not goals against Latvian part-timers or whatever. Martins has 11 PL goals so Anelka is not that far away with his mighty 12 goals Problem is Owen might be here, unlike many others I still have a lot of faith in Martins. The negative parts of his game are nowhere near what some people make out and he has had a good first season in the premiership. The lad is still young and has goals in him even in a team that is vastly underperforming like we have this season. Agree with you about Martins He is super talent and i hope that he'll remain with us next season. If not i hope we dont sell him for less then 15m because that would be a disgrace About people wanting Anelka as a replacement for Martins: Martins-43=17 goals Anelka-38=12 goals I would rather go for Darren Bent instead of Anelka Bent-34=15 goals The negative parts of Martins' game, i.e. his movement and touch, are pretty shocking imo. Under the right manager the firt one will be transformed to more productive element of his game. Under Roeder he ran like a clueless chicken Under Allardyce his runs will be more reasonable and if he has some decent player playing alongside him who is good in the air he will get even better and his runs will be even more productive. Remember Shearer-Bellamy partnership? What makes you think that he will now learn something (movement) he couldn't learn in Italy, probably the most tactical astute league, under various high profile managers? If you think that Martins has learn everything about football movement at the age of 22 you are crazy and also if you think that players cant learn something new from different managers you are wrong again Problem is Owen might be here, unlike many others I still have a lot of faith in Martins. The negative parts of his game are nowhere near what some people make out and he has had a good first season in the premiership. The lad is still young and has goals in him even in a team that is vastly underperforming like we have this season. Agree with you about Martins He is super talent and i hope that he'll remain with us next season. If not i hope we dont sell him for less then 15m because that would be a disgrace About people wanting Anelka as a replacement for Martins: Martins-43=17 goals Anelka-38=12 goals I would rather go for Darren Bent instead of Anelka Bent-34=15 goals The negative parts of Martins' game, i.e. his movement and touch, are pretty shocking imo. Under the right manager the firt one will be transformed to more productive element of his game. Under Roeder he ran like a clueless chicken Under Allardyce his runs will be more reasonable and if he has some decent player playing alongside him who is good in the air he will get even better and his runs will be even more productive. Remember Shearer-Bellamy partnership? He's not that coachable imo. He's more an headless chicken instinctive player you'll never change that. every player is coachable under the right management. People are judging Martins on his 1st season in the Premiership where he played under very incompetent manager,with teammates who were competing who was worse and in a team which 99% of the performances this season were shocking What do you expect from him,from his form and respectively from his touch and movement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Anelka is also a player who is liable to get the hump and ask to leave at any given point, if he gets the hump with us in a couple of seasons do you think there is any chance at all of us getting anything close to what we paid for him? Honestly cannot believe the stick Martins is getting but then he is playing for Newcastle so it shouldn't be a shock! What like hiding in his hotel room and saying he had a sore knee? I like him just Nicolas is better at everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Can you give me an example of a manager who has significantly improved the movement of a player of Martins' age NUFC06? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 So thats Juve and Arsenal after Martins, 2 good clubs after him yet some think he is not good enough for us. :idiot2: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Anelka is also a player who is liable to get the hump and ask to leave at any given point, if he gets the hump with us in a couple of seasons do you think there is any chance at all of us getting anything close to what we paid for him? Honestly cannot believe the stick Martins is getting but then he is playing for Newcastle so it shouldn't be a shock! What like hiding in his hotel room and saying he had a sore knee? I like him just Nicolas is better at everything. Honestly not comparing Martins attitude problems to Anelka are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Anelka is also a player who is liable to get the hump and ask to leave at any given point, if he gets the hump with us in a couple of seasons do you think there is any chance at all of us getting anything close to what we paid for him? Honestly cannot believe the stick Martins is getting but then he is playing for Newcastle so it shouldn't be a shock! Martins has a much better attitude, yes. I'm not laying into him as I think he did ok. I think some people give him too much stick and some people see him as a world-beater. His good points are - good finisher (when he hasn't got time to think about - lots of his game is instinctive), good body strength, great pace, good in the air, good attitude/workrate on the pitch and he has a tremendous shot. I do think his touch and movement are appalling though. And I'm not exaggerating there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 So thats Juve and Arsenal after Martins, 2 good clubs after him yet some think he is not good enough for us. :idiot2: No, you've oversimplified the argument. And believed everything you've read in the papers. And another thing: Boumsong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 So thats Juve and Arsenal after Martins, 2 good clubs after him yet some think he is not good enough for us. :idiot2: No, you've oversimplified the argument. And believed everything you've read in the papers. And another thing: Boumsong! ....everyone is after Bent apparently at £15m.. mackems.gif The new Luther Blisset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Can you give me an example of a manager who has significantly improved the movement of a player of Martins' age NUFC06? SBR during his time when he signed Craig Bellamy who at that time was 22. SBR improved Bellamy's movement and he used it to the most useful way it can be used. Bellamy's movement was based on his partnership with Alan Shearer who was master in the air and this use of Bellamy's qualities was improvement as well as on his movement but also as an improvement on the players career itself.Bellamy's reasonable use of his pace and therefore his movement made him better player. If Allardyce can use Martins's pace that way it will be improvement of his movement doesnt it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 No matter anyway, I think its going to be Owen to leave and Martins to stay anyway. SBR also sorted out Shearers lack of movement after his op, he hit a dry spell and Sir Bobby sorted it, I would say though its more down to the player and how he responds to what he is being told rather than a manager sorting it all, Martins seems to appear as a kid thats eager to learn and is in love with the game, I am 100% certain he will come good under Sam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Anelka is also a player who is liable to get the hump and ask to leave at any given point, if he gets the hump with us in a couple of seasons do you think there is any chance at all of us getting anything close to what we paid for him? Honestly cannot believe the stick Martins is getting but then he is playing for Newcastle so it shouldn't be a shock! What like hiding in his hotel room and saying he had a sore knee? I like him just Nicolas is better at everything. Honestly not comparing Martins attitude problems to Anelka are you? They are quite different and their psychology is also miles apart, but the differance is important. Anelka is moody because he knows how good he is and he feels unfullfilled, he is tormented. This is someting a good manager can tap into as Sam has recently at Bolton. Martins is just scatty.....Looks like a bag of sweets will do the trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Can you give me an example of a manager who has significantly improved the movement of a player of Martins' age NUFC06? SBR during his time when he signed Craig Bellamy who at that time was 22. SBR improved Bellamy's movement and he used it to the most useful way it can be used. Bellamy's movement was based on his partnership with Alan Shearer who was master in the air and this use of Bellamy's qualities was improvement as well as on his movement but also as an improvement on the players career itself.Bellamy's reasonable use of his pace and therefore his movement made him better player. If Allardyce can use Martins's pace that way it will be improvement of his movement doesnt it? You see, I think Bellamy's movement was spot on from the off, or rather from as soon as he started playing with Shearer and it stayed that way, so I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 must keep Martins at any cost.. he'll only get better and more expensive.. i don't see why we should sell our best players, but if we really need the money, i'd rather we sell Owen.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Anelka is also a player who is liable to get the hump and ask to leave at any given point, if he gets the hump with us in a couple of seasons do you think there is any chance at all of us getting anything close to what we paid for him? Honestly cannot believe the stick Martins is getting but then he is playing for Newcastle so it shouldn't be a shock! I don't think he gets that much stick tbh. His touch and movement are fucking dreadful and I don't see them improving significantly. That's been my stance all along but people can't bear anyone pointing out faults in one of our players, no matter how glaringly obvious they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Anelka is better than or equal to Martins in most aspects of his game. Anelka is also a player who is liable to get the hump and ask to leave at any given point, if he gets the hump with us in a couple of seasons do you think there is any chance at all of us getting anything close to what we paid for him? Honestly cannot believe the stick Martins is getting but then he is playing for Newcastle so it shouldn't be a shock! I don't think he gets that much stick tbh. His touch and movement are fucking dreadful and I don't see them improving significantly. That's been my stance all along but people can't bear anyone pointing out faults in one of our players, no matter how glaringly obvious they are. Infact Martins will NEVER be as good as Anelka. Quote me on it. blueyes.gif Anelka sees and acts on space where Martins only sees a blur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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