Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Care to prove his state of fitness around the time of last year's World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Care to prove his state of fitness around the time of last year's World Cup? Not match fit, simple as really. How many games did he play in 2006? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Fucking hell, Roeder is getting some blame for Owen now as well is he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. Lets put this differently... If Steven Taylor got injured at the World Cup when playing when not fully fit, missed almost an entire season, then activated a release clause to join a top 4 side, would you blame him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. So you seriously think he would have said no to going to Germany on account of not being 100% match-fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. Lets put this differently... If Steven Taylor got injured at the World Cup when playing when not fully fit, missed almost an entire season, then activated a release clause to join a top 4 side, would you blame him? I'd shoot him tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. So you seriously think he would have said no to going to Germany on account of not being 100% match-fit? He should of, hindsight or not he wsn't fit, he hadn't even played a game of football for us since Dec 2005, throughout his ENTIRE career Owen has been known for taking at least 3 matches to get fit and amongst the goals, this alone should of made him realise he was going to be a hindrance rather than an asset at the finals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. So you seriously think he would have said no to going to Germany on account of not being 100% match-fit? He should of, hindsight or not he wsn't fit, he hadn't even played a game of football for us since Dec 2005, throughout his ENTIRE career Owen has been known for taking at least 3 matches to get fit and amongst the goals, this alone should of made him realise he was going to be a hindrance rather than an asset at the finals. It was a risk him going, fair enough... but it's the World Cup we're talking about. He was passed fit. Imagine if you were passed fit, but decided not to play, and then went on to see your teammates lift the trophy? You seriously think he'd have passed that up just to guarantee he would be OK for us (and who is to say he wouldn't have been injured in the Intertoto or in a friendly for us, or even training?)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. So you seriously think he would have said no to going to Germany on account of not being 100% match-fit? He should of, hindsight or not he wsn't fit, he hadn't even played a game of football for us since Dec 2005, throughout his ENTIRE career Owen has been known for taking at least 3 matches to get fit and amongst the goals, this alone should of made him realise he was going to be a hindrance rather than an asset at the finals. It was a risk him going, fair enough... but it's the World Cup we're talking about. He was passed fit. Imagine if you were passed fit, but decided not to play, and then went on to see your teammates lift the trophy? You seriously think he'd have passed that up just to guarantee he would be OK for us (and who is to say he wouldn't have been injured in the Intertoto or in a friendly for us, or even training?)? True, but the point being he is more to blame for the current situation of him leaving for a CL club than GR and i firmly believe that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Steven Taylor would have played if he found himself in Owen's situation. Obviously you don't like Owen, and there are things you are entitled tohold against him, but playing in the World Cup is not one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. So you seriously think he would have said no to going to Germany on account of not being 100% match-fit? He should of, hindsight or not he wsn't fit, he hadn't even played a game of football for us since Dec 2005, throughout his ENTIRE career Owen has been known for taking at least 3 matches to get fit and amongst the goals, this alone should of made him realise he was going to be a hindrance rather than an asset at the finals. It was a risk him going, fair enough... but it's the World Cup we're talking about. He was passed fit. Imagine if you were passed fit, but decided not to play, and then went on to see your teammates lift the trophy? You seriously think he'd have passed that up just to guarantee he would be OK for us (and who is to say he wouldn't have been injured in the Intertoto or in a friendly for us, or even training?)? True, but the point being he is more to blame for the current situation of him leaving for a CL club than GR and i firmly believe that. I can see where you are coming from, but as James said, if Roeder was a better manager perhaps we would have been a CL club ourselves this coming season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It was a fluke and could have happened to anybody. You're reading into it too much, TT. He could have played the whole season and turned on his leg like that. Why is he to blame for the current situation? Elaborate please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. So you seriously think he would have said no to going to Germany on account of not being 100% match-fit? He should of, hindsight or not he wsn't fit, he hadn't even played a game of football for us since Dec 2005, throughout his ENTIRE career Owen has been known for taking at least 3 matches to get fit and amongst the goals, this alone should of made him realise he was going to be a hindrance rather than an asset at the finals. It was a risk him going, fair enough... but it's the World Cup we're talking about. He was passed fit. Imagine if you were passed fit, but decided not to play, and then went on to see your teammates lift the trophy? You seriously think he'd have passed that up just to guarantee he would be OK for us (and who is to say he wouldn't have been injured in the Intertoto or in a friendly for us, or even training?)? True, but the point being he is more to blame for the current situation of him leaving for a CL club than GR and i firmly believe that. I can see where you are coming from, but as James said, if Roeder was a better manager perhaps we would have been a CL club ourselves this coming season. Not necessarily CL, but high up enough the league to look in a healthy state, with Owen less likely to want to move given that he'd be uprooting his kids once again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Poor results on the pitch, making a Top 4 club a much more attractive proposition to Owen. More Owen's fault for going to the WC unfit and endangering his career. Name one football fan in the world who would not play in the World Cup despite being passed as fit by both club and country doctors. He wasn't match fit and was why he came away with an injury, it doesn't matter if he was right to go, he wasn't fit, it didn't pay off, and he and the FA are partly responsible for where we've finished in the league and therefore responsible for us not having Europe and why he's in the position of leaving. So you seriously think he would have said no to going to Germany on account of not being 100% match-fit? He should of, hindsight or not he wsn't fit, he hadn't even played a game of football for us since Dec 2005, throughout his ENTIRE career Owen has been known for taking at least 3 matches to get fit and amongst the goals, this alone should of made him realise he was going to be a hindrance rather than an asset at the finals. It was a risk him going, fair enough... but it's the World Cup we're talking about. He was passed fit. Imagine if you were passed fit, but decided not to play, and then went on to see your teammates lift the trophy? You seriously think he'd have passed that up just to guarantee he would be OK for us (and who is to say he wouldn't have been injured in the Intertoto or in a friendly for us, or even training?)? True, but the point being he is more to blame for the current situation of him leaving for a CL club than GR and i firmly believe that. I can see where you are coming from, but as James said, if Roeder was a better manager perhaps we would have been a CL club ourselves this coming season. Shearer retiring, and your £17m striker out injured as the FA abused him in the summer, then your budget blown on a gamble that just about worked out in terms of goals, pretty much difficult for any manager to deal with. If SA had been here at the start of last season he wouldn't of bought Martins, but do you think GR had any other choice than buying star studded player Damien Duff then the rest of his budget on Martins? FS had decided what the club 'needed' and that was it. GR was just a puppet for a year, now FS has had to allow a manager with a plan in as his didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Melan, we were barely a UEFA Cup team last year. Even with Rafa as manager our squad was no where near CL quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It was a fluke and could have happened to anybody. You're reading into it too much, TT. He could have played the whole season and turned on his leg like that. Why is he to blame for the current situation? Elaborate please. Partly, that injury had a series of knock on effects that wouldn't of happened. The original point made by T27 was GR was in part to blame for the Owen release clause, whereas i'm saying Owen himself is more to blame than GR and is as equal as the daft cunt that put it in in the 1st place. (As the clause insists we don't get Europe, and the clause is available to CL qualifying teams only) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Melan, we were barely a UEFA Cup team last year. Even with Rafa as manager our squad was no where near CL quality. Never said for a minute that it was, that it should have been, or that I expected it to be. I think using the Champion's League in that post was a mistake on my part, though I only used it because TT did. More this tbh... Not necessarily CL, but high up enough the league to look in a healthy state, with Owen less likely to want to move given that he'd be uprooting his kids once again. Personally, I don't really blame Roeder for any of this, but it's fair enough in my opinion to say that if Roeder was a better manager, and that if we'd reached a higher position in the league and really looked like a team on the up, then this might have affected Owen's judgement. As it stands however, that's all in the past now as Roeder is gone, and Shepherd looks to be following. We're a different prospect in my eyes, both to existing and potential players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It was a fluke and could have happened to anybody. You're reading into it too much, TT. He could have played the whole season and turned on his leg like that. Why is he to blame for the current situation? Elaborate please. Partly, that injury had a series of knock on effects that wouldn't of happened. The original point made by T27 was GR was in part to blame for the Owen release clause, whereas i'm saying Owen himself is more to blame than GR and is as equal as the daft c*** that put it in in the 1st place. I agree with you on that point, mate. GR is not to blame for being an average manager thrown into an impossible position. He didn't even sign Owen, FFS. The release clause is Soumess/Fred's/Owen's cuntish work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It was a fluke and could have happened to anybody. You're reading into it too much, TT. He could have played the whole season and turned on his leg like that. Why is he to blame for the current situation? Elaborate please. Partly, that injury had a series of knock on effects that wouldn't of happened. The original point made by T27 was GR was in part to blame for the Owen release clause, whereas i'm saying Owen himself is more to blame than GR and is as equal as the daft c*** that put it in in the 1st place. I agree with you on that point, mate. GR is not to blame for being an average manager thrown into an impossible position. He didn't even sign Owen, FFS. The release clause is Soumess/Fred's/Owen's cuntish work. Spot on. So the clause is triggered due to Owen being injured all season and us not having enough upfront to pick up the points to qualify for Europe. So the fuker wants to fuk off at the 1st opportunity. This is why am fuked off with Owen, he's a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Melan, we were barely a UEFA Cup team last year. Even with Rafa as manager our squad was no where near CL quality. Never said for a minute that it was, that it should have been, or that I expected it to be. I think using the Champion's League in that post was a mistake on my part, though I only used it because TT did. More this tbh... Not necessarily CL, but high up enough the league to look in a healthy state, with Owen less likely to want to move given that he'd be uprooting his kids once again. Personally, I don't really blame Roeder for any of this, but it's fair enough in my opinion to say that if Roeder was a better manager, and that if we'd reached a higher position in the league and really looked like a team on the up, then this might have affected Owen's judgement. As it stands however, that's all in the past now as Roeder is gone, and Shepherd looks to be following. We're a different prospect in my eyes, both to existing and potential players. Couldn't agree more with your last paragraph, mate. It's 4 years too late, but at least it's happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It was a fluke and could have happened to anybody. You're reading into it too much, TT. He could have played the whole season and turned on his leg like that. Why is he to blame for the current situation? Elaborate please. Partly, that injury had a series of knock on effects that wouldn't of happened. The original point made by T27 was GR was in part to blame for the Owen release clause, whereas i'm saying Owen himself is more to blame than GR and is as equal as the daft c*** that put it in in the 1st place. I agree with you on that point, mate. GR is not to blame for being an average manager thrown into an impossible position. He didn't even sign Owen, FFS. The release clause is Soumess/Fred's/Owen's cuntish work. Spot on. So the clause is triggered due to Owen being injured all season and us not having enough upfront to pick up the points to qualify for Europe. So the fuker wants to fuk off at the 1st opportunity. This is why am fuked off with Owen, he's a c***. As much as I love Little Mickey when he's scoring for England and us. He's not bigger than the Toon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 No one is going to spend £9m on someone thats been consistently injured the past two years, certainly not the top four clubs in the country. He is staying here til at least January until he has proven he has: a) got over his injuries b) shown he is still the player he once was, or could be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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