ChezGiven Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I'm loving the fact that i predicted this about 5 or 6 weeks ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I'm loving the fact that i predicted this about 5 or 6 weeks ago Good shout. blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Solano will always show his class wherever he plays, his quality is still massive for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Am I alone in still wishing for a big powerhouse to play in this "deep lying role" behind Barton/Emre/Both? We still seem desperately lightweight in every area of the park to me, both in terms of numbers and physically as well. Maybe Geremi is expected to provide the competition for Butt in that role? Agree with you though, would love to see us get a young DM to ultimately become the anchor of our midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 If we play a 4-3-3 with Viduka, Owen and Martins up front we will be deadly. Especially with Geremi at RWB and hopefully a decent LWB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Hopefully Butt and Carr will be off to Sunlun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Hopefully Butt and Carr will be off to Sunlun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Hopefully Butt and Carr will be off to Sunlun. By 'Butt', I sure hope you mean 'Baba' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 If we play a 4-3-3 with Viduka, Owen and Martins up front we will be deadly. Especially with Geremi at RWB and hopefully a decent LWB. I think this 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 issue is a crucial one. 4-3-3 is what Sam believes in, and we do have the attacking players to play it. Trouble is Owen and Martins aren't in that category. They aren't target men, they're not wide players and they're not good at dropping into the midfield. They are specialist finishers who need to play around another striker in a 4-4-2. In a 4-3-3, Viduka or Shola could operate in the centre, and Milner, Dyer, Zoggy, Duff or Emre could go wide. My fear is that we'll end up wasting a lot of time trying to play 4-3-3 with the big name players who aren't comfortable with that formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Am I alone in still wishing for a big powerhouse to play in this "deep lying role" behind Barton/Emre/Both? We still seem desperately lightweight in every area of the park to me, both in terms of numbers and physically as well. I think Barton's injury has given us all a jerk of reality and shown just how thin we are in several areas. As things stand with injuries and low numbers, I honestly believe our defence would barely be above relegation standard with Ramage and Huntington possibly walking straight into the team. The only positions we have "sorted" are goalkeeper, the wings and up front, everywhere else needs work. In central midfield I have more faith in Emre than most but he does have injuries and I'm not convinced Butt is as good as many here make out, he's had one 'decent' season on the back of two awful seasons and he's prone to the odd injury himself. That should be our engine room, where we control games - I honestly thought Barton would be the mainstay but he hasn't lasted two games. Defence simply must be the first priority but someone like Baptista would be such a useful addition. We can move people into unfamiliar positions, but then problems can pop up in the gaps they leave. It's a problem that'll only be solved by bringing more bodies in, but to see Big Sam trying to juggle players around doesn't fill me with confidence that the numbers we need will make it through the door. Taking a look at our squad and Sam's comments over the last couple of weeks I'm a bit concerned at the way things are going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 If we play a 4-3-3 with Viduka, Owen and Martins up front we will be deadly. Especially with Geremi at RWB and hopefully a decent LWB. I think this 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 issue is a crucial one. 4-3-3 is what Sam believes in, and we do have the attacking players to play it. Trouble is Owen and Martins aren't in that category. They aren't target men, they're not wide players and they're not good at dropping into the midfield. They are specialist finishers who need to play around another striker in a 4-4-2. In a 4-3-3, Viduka or Shola could operate in the centre, and Milner, Dyer, Zoggy, Duff or Emre could go wide. My fear is that we'll end up wasting a lot of time trying to play 4-3-3 in order to fit in the big name players. I'd expect Martins would be very well suited to being a wide-man in a 4-3-3 tbh, as he's anything but a penalty box predator/finisher type. The big issue is Owen. He's our best player and seems to be suited exclusively to a 4-4-2, while the rest of our team look to be very well suited to a 4-3-3. Tough call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I'd like summat like this: Martins Owen Viduka Zoggy Gudj Barton Fathi Taylor Rozen Heitinga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 4-3-3 is un-English it doesn't work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 4-3-3 is un-English it doesn't work Aye, only got Bolton Wanderers into Europe. Only won Chelsea the Premier League, twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 4-3-3 is un-English it doesn't work Did for Bolton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Bolton = flash in the pan Chelski = not English Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Probably cost Chelsea the league by moving away from it too. Certainly had a detrimental effect on their team (along with other factors) last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 4-3-3 is un-English it doesn't work Aye, only got Bolton Wanderers into Europe. Only won Chelsea the Premier League, twice. Man United used it predominantly last season as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Probably cost Chelsea the league by moving away from it too. Certainly had a detrimental effect on their team (along with other factors) last season. Definitely. It was the problem with signing Shevchenko as, despite being class, he just didn't fit into the system/style they played, and they're still suffering from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Rob in trouble straying too far from his home territory of politics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Aye, only got Bolton Wanderers into Europe. Only won Chelsea the Premier League, twice. Chelsea might be going back to 4-4-2 this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Aye, only got Bolton Wanderers into Europe. Only won Chelsea the Premier League, twice. Chelsea might be going back to 4-4-2 this season. ITK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Aye, only got Bolton Wanderers into Europe. Only won Chelsea the Premier League, twice. Chelsea might be going back to 4-4-2 this season. And? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 ITK? Mourinho on 5 live a couple of Fridays ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 And? Mourinho was saying that he thought it would be more effective if he went to 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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