No Ashley transfer funds! Yet!

[The Bonk]

I blame this thread on Parky and his "We can finish above Arsenal next season" thread.  Too many people bought into that.  You should be ashamed, Parky!  SHAME!!! 

 

Relax people, he's only owned the club four weeks!!!  Glad to see the optimism last about half that time, probably much less. 

 

No rest for the wicked.

 

Damn you, damn you all to helllllll!!!! 

[Baggio]

Anyone else had the text saying mort is now the chairman?

[Wallace]

Yes I have

[Guest johnson293]

On Official Site now...

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1078171,00.html

 

Strange that it says he has become chairman of Newcastle United PLC

 

Thought the company had delisted as of 18 July?

 

 

[Dokko]

On Official Site now...

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1078171,00.html

 

Strange that it says he has become chairman of Newcastle United PLC

 

Thought the company had delisted as of 18 July?

 

 

 

Strange, anyone know why? Typo maybe?

 

Anyway, the witch is dead! 

[Guest optimistic nit]

it will be a typo.

[Mick]

Meanwhile, somewhere in Newcastle.

 

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/2097/mournersgi4.jpg

[madras]

NE5--Would you mind answering the question "would you rather fred were still here or would you rather take the risk with ashley ?"

 

i've read your previous answers and they don't seem to make sense,you see when i asked my wife to marry me i'd have been pissed off had she replied "well my answer depends on how you treet me in our first few years" when i voted at the general election there was no box marked "depends on what happens in the next couple of years."

 

it's a question for now,i wish we could do it your way,no-one would ever make a mistake.

 

 

I didn't hear Ashley say he was going to bankroll managers, did you ? Has he had any previous experience of owning football clubs so we can judge him ?

 

If you did, please show me a link.

 

I wouldn't have liked that hedge fund though, and quite a lot of chairman at other premiership and big city clubs around the country either.

 

 

can i take it you would have preferred fred had stayed and ashley never took over then ?

 

please don't answer anything about seeing what ashley does as what he does in the future has sod all bearing on feelings now.

 

I think you should find where I say that or anything like it.

 

Please explain why anyone should have a judgement on Ashley's intentions or ambitions, when he has not ran a football club before, nor told anyone what his intentions and ambitions are ?

 

I'm a bit surprised that you appear to be believing in fairies like numerous other people, I thought you were more pragmatic than that to be honest.

 

Nobody here has any idea at all what Ashleys intentions are, you are only saying he will spend his money because you want him to, we all want him to.

 

Unfortunately, you can't demand that or expect it. Its his money and its up to him. Please don't you - or anyone else - say that he should just because he's the new owner and you want him to, because he doesn't. Significantly, he is a businessman, he can make small profits without being hugely successful, whereas if he was a keen football supporter, or better still a Newcastle supporter, he would have more urge to succeed on the pitch. I said this once before and was slightly slaughtered for it. And has been said by someone else, the money he has bought the club with is irrelevant, because he can just sell the club on in due course if he wants to do so.

 

 

so you have no judgement on it,because you cannot see into the future you have no judgement on it.

i wonder if you thought the same when the hall's took over from the previous regime ?

 

not believing in fairies mate,but taking a punt where i think it may do us good.

 

i'm giving up now as you won't answer a simple either/or question that everone else understands (as do you).

 

i wish we could all live in the world you wish to believe in,only making decisions when the outcomes are known and certain.

[Baggio]

NE5--Would you mind answering the question "would you rather fred were still here or would you rather take the risk with ashley ?"

 

i've read your previous answers and they don't seem to make sense,you see when i asked my wife to marry me i'd have been pissed off had she replied "well my answer depends on how you treet me in our first few years" when i voted at the general election there was no box marked "depends on what happens in the next couple of years."

 

it's a question for now,i wish we could do it your way,no-one would ever make a mistake.

 

 

I didn't hear Ashley say he was going to bankroll managers, did you ? Has he had any previous experience of owning football clubs so we can judge him ?

 

If you did, please show me a link.

 

I wouldn't have liked that hedge fund though, and quite a lot of chairman at other premiership and big city clubs around the country either.

 

 

can i take it you would have preferred fred had stayed and ashley never took over then ?

 

please don't answer anything about seeing what ashley does as what he does in the future has sod all bearing on feelings now.

 

I think you should find where I say that or anything like it.

 

Please explain why anyone should have a judgement on Ashley's intentions or ambitions, when he has not ran a football club before, nor told anyone what his intentions and ambitions are ?

 

I'm a bit surprised that you appear to be believing in fairies like numerous other people, I thought you were more pragmatic than that to be honest.

 

Nobody here has any idea at all what Ashleys intentions are, you are only saying he will spend his money because you want him to, we all want him to.

 

Unfortunately, you can't demand that or expect it. Its his money and its up to him. Please don't you - or anyone else - say that he should just because he's the new owner and you want him to, because he doesn't. Significantly, he is a businessman, he can make small profits without being hugely successful, whereas if he was a keen football supporter, or better still a Newcastle supporter, he would have more urge to succeed on the pitch. I said this once before and was slightly slaughtered for it. And has been said by someone else, the money he has bought the club with is irrelevant, because he can just sell the club on in due course if he wants to do so.

 

 

so you have no judgement on it,because you cannot see into the future you have no judgement on it.

i wonder if you thought the same when the hall's took over from the previous regime ?

 

not believing in fairies mate,but taking a punt where i think it may do us good.

 

i'm giving up now as you won't answer a simple either/or question that everone else understands (as do you).

 

i wish we could all live in the world you wish to believe in,only making decisions when the outcomes are known and certain.

 

Jesus wept!

 

Are you trying to compare the takeover by Ashley to the takeover by Sir John Hall?!

 

We were close to folding back then ffs, we had nothing to lose whatsoever.

[Guest Knightrider]

Baggio, a lot of fans were very unsure about SJH, he had to travel around the bars and clubs to generate some support, that's one of the reasons why the share offer to fans failed. Mind I think a general apathy towards anything NUFC and not directly towards Sir John himself, had more to do with it.

[Baggio]

Baggio, a lot of fans were very unsure about SJH, he had to travel around the bars and clubs to generate some support, that's one of the reasons why the share offer to fans failed. Mind I think a general apathy towards anything NUFC and not directly towards Sir John himself, had more to do with it.

 

Exactly, nothing to do with fans doubting he could take the club much further forward.

 

People are obviously happy that we've been taken over as the possibility of us getting back up around the CL places is exciting for the club, however there's a good chance we're not going to crack the big 4, if we don't will the takeover have been much of an improvement on the pitch?

 

To compare that to a time when the club nearly folded is ridiculous.

 

[madras]

Baggio, a lot of fans were very unsure about SJH, he had to travel around the bars and clubs to generate some support, that's one of the reasons why the share offer to fans failed. Mind I think a general apathy towards anything NUFC and not directly towards Sir John himself, had more to do with it.

 

Exactly, nothing to do with fans doubting he could take the club much further forward.

 

People are obviously happy that we've been taken over as the possibility of us getting back up around the CL places is exciting for the club, however there's a good chance we're not going to crack the big 4, if we don't will the takeover have been much of an improvement on the pitch?

 

To compare that to a time when the club nearly folded is ridiculous.

 

the comparisson was in response to NE5's idea of being unable to decide now because of what may happen in the future.strangely enough at the time of the hall take over nobody was mentioning the club going to the wall,we were in the shit and headed for relegation,not sure we'd have gone under though,it wasn't even mentioned at the time.

 

baggio,will you answer the question i posed to NE5?

[Baggio]

Baggio, a lot of fans were very unsure about SJH, he had to travel around the bars and clubs to generate some support, that's one of the reasons why the share offer to fans failed. Mind I think a general apathy towards anything NUFC and not directly towards Sir John himself, had more to do with it.

 

Exactly, nothing to do with fans doubting he could take the club much further forward.

 

People are obviously happy that we've been taken over as the possibility of us getting back up around the CL places is exciting for the club, however there's a good chance we're not going to crack the big 4, if we don't will the takeover have been much of an improvement on the pitch?

 

To compare that to a time when the club nearly folded is ridiculous.

 

the comparisson was in response to NE5's idea of being unable to decide now because of what may happen in the future.strangely enough at the time of the hall take over nobody was mentioning the club going to the wall,we were in the s*** and headed for relegation,not sure we'd have gone under though,it wasn't even mentioned at the time.

 

baggio,will you answer the question i posed to NE5?

 

What question is that.

[Mick]

 

What question is that.

 

Here's one, Shepherd or Mort at this time, take your pick.

[madras]

Baggio, a lot of fans were very unsure about SJH, he had to travel around the bars and clubs to generate some support, that's one of the reasons why the share offer to fans failed. Mind I think a general apathy towards anything NUFC and not directly towards Sir John himself, had more to do with it.

 

Exactly, nothing to do with fans doubting he could take the club much further forward.

 

People are obviously happy that we've been taken over as the possibility of us getting back up around the CL places is exciting for the club, however there's a good chance we're not going to crack the big 4, if we don't will the takeover have been much of an improvement on the pitch?

 

To compare that to a time when the club nearly folded is ridiculous.

 

the comparisson was in response to NE5's idea of being unable to decide now because of what may happen in the future.strangely enough at the time of the hall take over nobody was mentioning the club going to the wall,we were in the s*** and headed for relegation,not sure we'd have gone under though,it wasn't even mentioned at the time.

 

baggio,will you answer the question i posed to NE5?

 

What question is that.

would you prefer fred was still in charge or take the risk with ashley ?

[Baggio]

Baggio, a lot of fans were very unsure about SJH, he had to travel around the bars and clubs to generate some support, that's one of the reasons why the share offer to fans failed. Mind I think a general apathy towards anything NUFC and not directly towards Sir John himself, had more to do with it.

 

Exactly, nothing to do with fans doubting he could take the club much further forward.

 

People are obviously happy that we've been taken over as the possibility of us getting back up around the CL places is exciting for the club, however there's a good chance we're not going to crack the big 4, if we don't will the takeover have been much of an improvement on the pitch?

 

To compare that to a time when the club nearly folded is ridiculous.

 

the comparisson was in response to NE5's idea of being unable to decide now because of what may happen in the future.strangely enough at the time of the hall take over nobody was mentioning the club going to the wall,we were in the s*** and headed for relegation,not sure we'd have gone under though,it wasn't even mentioned at the time.

 

baggio,will you answer the question i posed to NE5?

 

What question is that.

would you prefer fred was still in charge or take the risk with ashley ?

 

I would take the risk with Ashley, mainly because of the debt the club is carrying which could hold us back in the future if it wasn't managed properly.

 

I don't think we'll be worse under Ashley as we were under the previous board however I think there's a good chance that we won't crack the top 4 and will have to settle for regular uefa cup qualification, something we've done previously and something I think we would have continued to do if Shepherd had remained in charge with Allardyce as manager.

[Mick]

 

I would take the risk with Ashley, mainly because of the debt the club is carrying which could hold us back in the future if it wasn't managed properly.

 

I don't think we'll be worse under Ashley as we were under the previous board however I think there's a good chance that we won't crack the top 4 and will have to settle for regular uefa cup qualification, something we've done previously and something I think we would have continued to do if Shepherd had remained in charge with Allardyce as manager.

 

The same thing you've said about what might have happened under Shepherd and Allardyce doesn't always go as planned, it didn't under Dalglish and Gullit.

[madras]

 

I would take the risk with Ashley, mainly because of the debt the club is carrying which could hold us back in the future if it wasn't managed properly.

 

I don't think we'll be worse under Ashley as we were under the previous board however I think there's a good chance that we won't crack the top 4 and will have to settle for regular uefa cup qualification, something we've done previously and something I think we would have continued to do if Shepherd had remained in charge with Allardyce as manager.

 

The same thing you've said about what might have happened under Shepherd and Allardyce doesn't always go as planned, it didn't under Dalglish and Gullit.

but at least he gave a simple answer to a simple question,he didn't try to twist and wriggle out of it.

[Mick]

but at least he gave a simple answer to a simple question,he didn't try to twist and wriggle out of it.

 

True, he never tries to wriggle out of a question.

[Baggio]

 

I would take the risk with Ashley, mainly because of the debt the club is carrying which could hold us back in the future if it wasn't managed properly.

 

I don't think we'll be worse under Ashley as we were under the previous board however I think there's a good chance that we won't crack the top 4 and will have to settle for regular uefa cup qualification, something we've done previously and something I think we would have continued to do if Shepherd had remained in charge with Allardyce as manager.

 

The same thing you've said about what might have happened under Shepherd and Allardyce doesn't always go as planned, it didn't under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

That's why I said I think Mick, as in my opinion.

 

If Allardyce spends £10 million on players and is left to run the team with no interference then I don't think it matters who the chairman is as to what success we have on the field.

 

FWIW I didn't blame the board for the failings of Dalglish and Gullit, sometimes it just doesn't work out and I don't think it would have mattered too much who was chairman in both cases.

[Mick]

 

That's why I said I think Mick, as in my opinion.

 

If Allardyce spends £10 million on players and is left to run the team with no interference then I don't think it matters who the chairman is as to what success we have on the field.

 

FWIW I didn't blame the board for the failings of Dalglish and Gullit, sometimes it just doesn't work out and I don't think it would have mattered too much who was chairman in both cases.

 

I think Allardyce has more chance of getting left to run the team under Mort, if only because he's new to the job.

[NE5]

 

That's why I said I think Mick, as in my opinion.

 

If Allardyce spends £10 million on players and is left to run the team with no interference then I don't think it matters who the chairman is as to what success we have on the field.

 

FWIW I didn't blame the board for the failings of Dalglish and Gullit, sometimes it just doesn't work out and I don't think it would have mattered too much who was chairman in both cases.

 

I think Allardyce has more chance of getting left to run the team under Mort, if only because he's new to the job.

 

You THINK ?

 

Please explain why Allardyce took the job if he didnt; think he would be allowed to do the job in the way he sees fit ?

 

Don't make up anything, whatever you do, when you reply.

 

If you reply.

 

 

[Mick]

 

You THINK ?

 

Please explain why Allardyce took the job if he didnt; think he would be allowed to do the job in the way he sees fit ?

 

Don't make up anything, whatever you do, when you reply.

 

If you reply.

 

 

 

I guess that Allardyce thought that he could come to the club and do a good job.

 

Also, I think he has a better chance now than he did when he first came.

[NE5]

NE5--Would you mind answering the question "would you rather fred were still here or would you rather take the risk with ashley ?"

 

i've read your previous answers and they don't seem to make sense,you see when i asked my wife to marry me i'd have been pissed off had she replied "well my answer depends on how you treet me in our first few years" when i voted at the general election there was no box marked "depends on what happens in the next couple of years."

 

it's a question for now,i wish we could do it your way,no-one would ever make a mistake.

 

 

I didn't hear Ashley say he was going to bankroll managers, did you ? Has he had any previous experience of owning football clubs so we can judge him ?

 

If you did, please show me a link.

 

I wouldn't have liked that hedge fund though, and quite a lot of chairman at other premiership and big city clubs around the country either.

 

 

can i take it you would have preferred fred had stayed and ashley never took over then ?

 

please don't answer anything about seeing what ashley does as what he does in the future has sod all bearing on feelings now.

 

I think you should find where I say that or anything like it.

 

Please explain why anyone should have a judgement on Ashley's intentions or ambitions, when he has not ran a football club before, nor told anyone what his intentions and ambitions are ?

 

I'm a bit surprised that you appear to be believing in fairies like numerous other people, I thought you were more pragmatic than that to be honest.

 

Nobody here has any idea at all what Ashleys intentions are, you are only saying he will spend his money because you want him to, we all want him to.

 

Unfortunately, you can't demand that or expect it. Its his money and its up to him. Please don't you - or anyone else - say that he should just because he's the new owner and you want him to, because he doesn't. Significantly, he is a businessman, he can make small profits without being hugely successful, whereas if he was a keen football supporter, or better still a Newcastle supporter, he would have more urge to succeed on the pitch. I said this once before and was slightly slaughtered for it. And has been said by someone else, the money he has bought the club with is irrelevant, because he can just sell the club on in due course if he wants to do so.

 

 

so you have no judgement on it,because you cannot see into the future you have no judgement on it.

i wonder if you thought the same when the hall's took over from the previous regime ?

 

not believing in fairies mate,but taking a punt where i think it may do us good.

 

i'm giving up now as you won't answer a simple either/or question that everone else understands (as do you).

 

i wish we could all live in the world you wish to believe in,only making decisions when the outcomes are known and certain.

 

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when the Halls etc took over the club, the only way really was up.#

 

To remind you, as you clearly weren't there, otherwise there is no way in a million years you would even mention such a thing.....the club had sold ALL its best players for years, were staring at the old 3rd division, were playing in front of a half empty 30,000 ground that was nothing more than a shit heap, had qualified for europe 4 times in over 30 years, had finished in the top 5 once during this period, on the brink of going bankrupt and out of existence, and appointed a journeyman manager like Jim Smith - the EIGHTH choice [for those who think we appoint only shit managers that nobody else wants], followed by a complete tosser straight out of the clowns book of managers ie Ossie Ardiles, that the chairman Forbes laughingly thought would bring the good times back to the club, in the form of challenging for promotion to the 1st division and that was the limit of ambition as it always was under such complete tossers, when the Halls and Shepherd took over the club.

 

I was almost believing you had half a brain lately, as you had been raising some objective and interesting points, but this completely ridiculous post puts you among the micks of this world.

 

Go back to jail, go, or Old Kent Road, or somewhere, because you quite clearly don't have a clue.

 

 

[NE5]

 

You THINK ?

 

Please explain why Allardyce took the job if he didnt; think he would be allowed to do the job in the way he sees fit ?

 

Don't make up anything, whatever you do, when you reply.

 

If you reply.

 

 

 

I guess that Allardyce thought that he could come to the club and do a good job.

 

Also, I think he has a better chance now than he did when he first came.

 

Is that so ? Please explain why he is complaining about his transfer budget then ?

 

What rubbish you come out with. Why not answer the question, truthfully. He is feeling let down by the owners. And whats more, you know it.