KaKa Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Ramage I'm afraid appears to suffer from the Bramble disease ... for which there is no cure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Btw Hunt is a laughing stock at Bolton, the fans point him out as being shite and moan that Allardyce never got them better fullbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Ramage I'm afraid appears to suffer from the Bramble disease ... for which there is no cure. He's much worse than Bramble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 He was talking about bringing in 4 defenders so I can't see him only wanting one CB tbh. 1 left back, 1 right back and 2 centre-backs would be ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 He was talking about bringing in 4 defenders so I can't see him only wanting one CB tbh. Now that seems 3-4, could quite easily be two full backs and a centre back. Was just a though anyway as I cant see him wanting 5 centre backs here (6 if you include Ramage, 8 if you include Edgar and Hunts). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Ramage I'm afraid appears to suffer from the Bramble disease ... for which there is no cure. He's much worse than Bramble. Aye, at least Bramble looked like a good defender now and again, Ramage isn't even Premiership quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 It'll take more than Allardyce to make Ramage solid and dependable I'm afraid. One CB's really not enough, especially given that Taylor's injury prone. He's a shocking footballer is Ramage, but defensively he's no Bramble. He can be solid and dependable as he proved in Europe at times last season, in particular his performances in Italy and against Fenerbache at home. I'm not saying he should start every game here BTW, ideally he wouldn't even be in the squad, all I'm saying is if we are forced to use him due to injuries or whatever, I can see him being a lot more solid and dependable under Sam than under Roeder or Souness, and that goes for the whole team defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Ramage I'm afraid appears to suffer from the Bramble disease ... for which there is no cure. He's much worse than Bramble. Yep, Bramble actually had ability just not the brain to use it. Like the worlds most powerful PC without a monitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 He was talking about bringing in 4 defenders so I can't see him only wanting one CB tbh. Now that seems 3-4, could quite easily be two full backs and a centre back. Was just a though anyway as I cant see him wanting 5 centre backs here (6 if you include Ramage, 8 if you include Edgar and Hunts). I hope next week it doesn't drop to 2-3 like Roeder's list did as time went on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Same here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Ramage I'm afraid appears to suffer from the Bramble disease ... for which there is no cure. He's much worse than Bramble. Yep, Bramble actually had ability just not the brain to use it. Like the worlds most powerful PC without a monitor. he even had the brain.......but it overheated too often Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 It'll take more than Allardyce to make Ramage solid and dependable I'm afraid. One CB's really not enough, especially given that Taylor's injury prone. He's a shocking footballer is Ramage, but defensively he's no Bramble. He can be solid and dependable as he proved in Europe at times last season, in particular his performances in Italy and against Fenerbache at home. I'm not saying he should start every game here BTW, ideally he wouldn't even be in the squad, all I'm saying is if we are forced to use him due to injuries or whatever, I can see him being a lot more solid and dependable under Sam than under Roeder or Souness, and that goes for the whole team defensively. I think Stevie Wonder would make a better judge of football than you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Btw Hunt is a laughing stock at Bolton, the fans point him out as being shite and moan that Allardyce never got them better fullbacks. Yet they kept clean sheets and in the last few seasons their average league finish in terms of total points would have them in 5th. And this is my point exactly, a shit player indidvidually can still do a job within a team, as Hunt has been doing for Bolton and I'm sure Ramage or Carr will do for us, even though they are indeed shite. Paradoxically, playing good players in defence does not make a good defence, defending isn't about ability on the ball or talent, it's about team-work, organisation and discipline and you have to look at it collectively. That's been our problem for years, no-one has ever done that, everyone has tried to fix the defence by signing better players than those already at the club in the hope because they are better players, the defence will be better. Doesn't work like that, indeed most good defences often contain one shite player. Hunt is Bolton's, Ramage could be ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 keep digging Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 That's been our problem for years, no-one has ever done that, everyone has tried to fix the defence by signing better players than those already at the club in the hope because they are better players, the defence will be better. Doesn't work like that, indeed most good defences often contain one shite player. Hunt is Bolton's, Ramage could be ours. Eh? Since when have NUFC done that? We've signed a few big money defenders, but they've been fucking rubbish, apart from the obvious in Woodgate. For too long we've got by on cheap shite who can 'do a job' when most of the time they actually can't, to the required level anyway - AO'B, Carr, Babayaro, Moore, Griffin, Hughes et al. Ramage is never going to be solid and dependable because he just doesn't have the ability in the Premiership. League 1 player if he's lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Think Ramage is utterly, utterly abysmal at left-back but in the center he's at least championship standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 at least is too generous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 at least is too generous Writ that wrong. I meant, at least when he plays at center-half he's Championship level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 That's been our problem for years, no-one has ever done that, everyone has tried to fix the defence by signing better players than those already at the club in the hope because they are better players, the defence will be better. Doesn't work like that, indeed most good defences often contain one s**** player. Hunt is Bolton's, Ramage could be ours. Eh? Since when have NUFC done that? We've signed a few big money defenders, but they've been f****** rubbish, apart from the obvious in Woodgate. For too long we've got by on cheap s**** who can 'do a job' when most of the time they actually can't, to the required level anyway - AO'B, Carr, Babayaro, Moore, Griffin, Hughes et al. Ramage is never going to be solid and dependable because he just doesn't have the ability in the Premiership. League 1 player if he's lucky. marcelinho,bramble,goma,boumsong cheap ? we have always been cheap for full backs however. which are probably at the moment the most important players in football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 That's the problem with a lot of posters on here, they judge a player by his ability or lack of and never consider anything outside of that, especially in the context of the collective team. You can see where Freddy Shepherd got it from... "Luque - Spanish international, lets sign him, he'll do the business, he's better than what we have so will improve the team" Just look at some of the Curtis Davies comments. "He's a defender, we don't have many, he's better than Ramage, lets sign him, he'll do the business" Just as well we have a manager who understands all this. Hence "Steven Taylor is a very, very good prospect and to put Curtis Davies in there - both are in their early 20s - would be the wrong thing to do" Restated: Someone who considers things outside of ability or lack of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 marcelinho,bramble,goma,boumsong cheap ? we have always been cheap for full backs however. which are probably at the moment the most important players in football Warren Barton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 That's been our problem for years, no-one has ever done that, everyone has tried to fix the defence by signing better players than those already at the club in the hope because they are better players, the defence will be better. Doesn't work like that, indeed most good defences often contain one shite player. Hunt is Bolton's, Ramage could be ours. Eh? Since when have NUFC done that? We've signed a few big money defenders, but they've been fucking rubbish, apart from the obvious in Woodgate. For too long we've got by on cheap shite who can 'do a job' when most of the time they actually can't, to the required level anyway - AO'B, Carr, Babayaro, Moore, Griffin, Hughes et al. Ramage is never going to be solid and dependable because he just doesn't have the ability in the Premiership. League 1 player if he's lucky. See Madras' post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zerocipher Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 We should try to splash for Chivu since he's already talking opf leaving Roma! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 We should try to splash for Chivu since he's already talking opf leaving Roma! See Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 christ, Ramage is absolute garbage. you cannot get away with being able to simply 'hoof the ball away' in the premiership. His lack of pace, strength, aerial ability, game reading, ball control etc etc etc playing Ramage is like playing 3 at the back, it really really is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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