Kieron Dyer

[Kitman]

Dyer will generally have 2 or 3 blinding games a year, but other than that games just pass him by.

 

We've essentially swapped Smith for Dyer, and with Smith we'll get a lot more consistent effectiveness.

 

Delighted, almost all the dead wood is gone now.

 

Carr must be feeling like the last Turkey in the farmyard at Christmas time now!

[Rich]

Dyer will generally have 2 or 3 blinding games a year, but other than that games just pass him by.

 

We've essentially swapped Smith for Dyer, and with Smith we'll get a lot more consistent effectiveness.

 

Delighted, almost all the dead wood is gone now.

 

Carr must be feeling like the last Turkey in the farmyard at Christmas time now!

 

He's still got Wor Celestine beating him to that mantle, unfortunately.

 

If the players were turkeys he'd still be my first pick for Christmas lunch, mind. Especially now Titus has gone.

[Skirge]

I would be very shocked if they played him against us, he knows he will get crucified by  the fans, I would not be surprised if some pissed up t*** did'nt hurl something at him.

What he has said after leaving is all fine and well but you can tell the tits boo'ing him at every game did make it easy for him to want away. The London press will be desperate for him to do an interview slagging us off, would'nt blame him if he did do one and have a pop back at the boo boys, but I bet he does'nt and credit to him for that.

Players that leave have slagged us right off in the past, hero's to like Ginola and Batty had a right  old go, Ginola saying things like how he would never let his kids be brought up in a lace like Newcastle. Even would not allow and questions about his time here when he went on the Frank Skinner show.

[Guest TPIB]

Dyer will generally have 2 or 3 blinding games a year, but other than that games just pass him by.

 

We've essentially swapped Smith for Dyer, and with Smith we'll get a lot more consistent effectiveness.

 

Delighted, almost all the dead wood is gone now.

 

Carr must be feeling like the last Turkey in the farmyard at Christmas time now!

 

He's still got Wor Celestine beating him to that mantle, unfortunately.

 

If the players were turkeys he'd still be my first pick for Christmas lunch, mind. Especially now Titus has gone.

 

Nee giblets

[Kitman]

Dyer will generally have 2 or 3 blinding games a year, but other than that games just pass him by.

 

We've essentially swapped Smith for Dyer, and with Smith we'll get a lot more consistent effectiveness.

 

Delighted, almost all the dead wood is gone now.

 

Carr must be feeling like the last Turkey in the farmyard at Christmas time now!

 

He's still got Wor Celestine beating him to that mantle, unfortunately.

 

If the players were turkeys he'd still be my first pick for Christmas lunch, mind. Especially now Titus has gone.

 

Do you know, I'd forgotten that Baba's even on our books, he's that much of a non-entity.  If he was a horse they'd have shot him by now and turned him into Pedigree Chum.  They wouldn't do the same with Carr as he'd jam the mincing machine

[mrmojorisin75]

is this the greatest piece of transfer business ever conducted by the club?

 

my vote is yes, don't care about anything else - we got 6m minimum for a total waste of space, plus taking a conservative estimate of his wages for the last 2 years of his contract we've saved another 6m!!!!

 

add to that the fact that the players who are now likely to get more games 'cause he's gone (zog/milner) are younger, hungrier, more consistent, more productive and basically will play more games for the club

 

dee-dee-diddly-dee (that's me doing a jig around the office, been going on for 8 hours now since i read the internet this morning!!!)

[Rich]

is this the greatest piece of transfer business ever conducted by the club?

 

my vote is yes, don't care about anything else - we got 6m minimum for a total waste of space, plus taking a conservative estimate of his wages for the last 2 years of his contract we've saved another 6m!!!!

 

add to that the fact that the players who are now likely to get more games 'cause he's gone (zog/milner) are younger, hungrier, more consistent, more productive and basically will play more games for the club

 

dee-dee-diddly-dee (that's me doing a jig around the office, been going on for 8 hours now since i read the internet this morning!!!)

 

If his exit is making a canny few people feel like this, then I'm happy about it as well.

 

Not fussed either way initially, but anything to improve the general mood of the fanbase is useful.

[Baggio]

is this the greatest piece of transfer business ever conducted by the club?

 

my vote is yes, don't care about anything else - we got 6m minimum for a total waste of space, plus taking a conservative estimate of his wages for the last 2 years of his contract we've saved another 6m!!!!

 

add to that the fact that the players who are now likely to get more games 'cause he's gone (zog/milner) are younger, hungrier, more consistent, more productive and basically will play more games for the club

 

dee-dee-diddly-dee (that's me doing a jig around the office, been going on for 8 hours now since i read the internet this morning!!!)

 

If his exit is making a canny few people feel like this, then I'm happy about it as well.

 

Not fussed either way initially, but anything to improve the general mood of the fanbase is useful.

 

How many are saying this because he's gone though in the same way they did with Parker, Bellamy and Jenas? Plenty on here were singing Dyer's praises earlier in the season.

 

I would have been happy for Dyer to stay as I've seen what having a player with pace can add to the team, he was a big part of the clubs success under Robson and he could have been again under Allardyce, he was below standard under Souness and Roeder but he wasn't the only one.

 

I may have been happier about the move if we hadn't replaced him with an inferior player in Smith, shame about that.

[Rich]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

[mrmojorisin75]

is this the greatest piece of transfer business ever conducted by the club?

 

my vote is yes, don't care about anything else - we got 6m minimum for a total waste of space, plus taking a conservative estimate of his wages for the last 2 years of his contract we've saved another 6m!!!!

 

add to that the fact that the players who are now likely to get more games 'cause he's gone (zog/milner) are younger, hungrier, more consistent, more productive and basically will play more games for the club

 

dee-dee-diddly-dee (that's me doing a jig around the office, been going on for 8 hours now since i read the internet this morning!!!)

 

If his exit is making a canny few people feel like this, then I'm happy about it as well.

 

Not fussed either way initially, but anything to improve the general mood of the fanbase is useful.

 

How many are saying this because he's gone though in the same way they did with Parker, Bellamy and Jenas? Plenty on here were singing Dyer's praises earlier in the season.

 

I would have been happy for Dyer to stay as I've seen what having a player with pace can add to the team, he was a big part of the clubs success under Robson and he could have been again under Allardyce, he was below standard under Souness and Roeder but he wasn't the only one.

 

I may have been happier about the move if we hadn't replaced him with an inferior player in Smith, shame about that.

 

DEE-DEE-DIDDLY-DEE

 

can only speak for myself but i reserve no vitriol for any of those you name...they were either deluded about their own ability (jenas), somewhat unfairly treated and then didn't help themselves (parker) or basically acted in a way no-one should have been surprised about seeing as he'd done it all his career and continues to do so (bellamy)

 

but dyer....mein got!  now there's some hatred i'm gonna enjoy not having to expend now....

 

 

[Guest Geordiesned]

cheers Dyer.  hope you die now

 

Ah bless.

[Baggio]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

[mrmojorisin75]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

what success and how did he help us achieve it?

 

i'd be interested to know....

[Baggio]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

what success and how did he help us acheive it?

 

i'd be interest to know....

 

Dyer played a big part in the 3 top 5 finishes the club achieved, don't you agree?

 

He's also a better player than his replacement.

[Guest mobiius]

is this the greatest piece of transfer business ever conducted by the club?

 

my vote is yes, don't care about anything else - we got 6m minimum for a total waste of space, plus taking a conservative estimate of his wages for the last 2 years of his contract we've saved another 6m!!!!

 

add to that the fact that the players who are now likely to get more games 'cause he's gone (zog/milner) are younger, hungrier, more consistent, more productive and basically will play more games for the club

 

dee-dee-diddly-dee (that's me doing a jig around the office, been going on for 8 hours now since i read the internet this morning!!!)

 

I agree its an excellent bit of business by the club .Thought the deal was finished but we held out and got even more money for the waste of space.Talking about wastes of space I also had forgotten about Baba. The Physio room has him down as returning on 26th Aug 07 along with Emre .The picture of Colenel Kdaffti by  TPIB is absolute class

[mrmojorisin75]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

what success and how did he help us acheive it?

 

i'd be interest to know....

 

Dyer played a big part in the 3 top 5 finishes the club achieved, don't you agree?

 

He's also a better player than his replacement.

 

who is his replacement?

 

and no i don't really think you could cite dyer as playing a "big part" of that period - he was there from time to time on the pitch but i'd argue that any actual influence was largely from robert, bellamy, given and shearer in the main....dyer falls in with the rest of the squad in simply not being appalling, he was no better or no worse than jenas, in fact jenas was probably considerably more influencial

 

that's my take, different horses for different courses though....

[Baggio]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

what success and how did he help us acheive it?

 

i'd be interest to know....

 

Dyer played a big part in the 3 top 5 finishes the club achieved, don't you agree?

 

He's also a better player than his replacement.

 

who is his replacement?

 

and no i don't really think you could cite dyer as playing a "big part" of that period - he was there from time to time on the pitch but i'd argue that any actual influence was largely from robert, bellamy, given and shearer in the main....dyer falls in with the rest of the squad in simply not being appalling, he was no better or no worse than jenas, in fact jenas was probably considerably more influencial

 

that's my take, different horses for different courses though....

 

Isn't Smith his replacement?

 

Dyer was a big player for me, his and Bellamy's pace stretched the opposition which made us so dangerous, it's going to be something that we need to replace as we look quite a slow side now, apart from a good half a season Jenas was awful for us and it's unfair of you to lump him Dyer in with the likes of him, I'd put him on par with Speed, Solano, Bernard and Given as to what he brought to the team, Bellamy, Robert and Shearer being the biggest influence at the time.

 

We got good money for him and I'm not against replacing any player with someone better, Smith isn't better though so it's been a case of one step forward two steps back as far as I'm concerned.

[ChezGiven]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

what success and how did he help us acheive it?

 

i'd be interest to know....

 

Dyer played a big part in the 3 top 5 finishes the club achieved, don't you agree?

 

He's also a better player than his replacement.

 

We havent replaced him yet though. We got Smith at the same time as when the deal first fell through thats true but that doesnt mean he is the replacement.

[Baggio]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

what success and how did he help us acheive it?

 

i'd be interest to know....

 

Dyer played a big part in the 3 top 5 finishes the club achieved, don't you agree?

 

He's also a better player than his replacement.

 

We havent replaced him yet though. We got Smith at the same time as when the deal first fell through thats true but that doesnt mean he is the replacement.

 

Allardyce said Dyer's replacement will be revealed tomorrow, the next day we signed Smith.

 

Either he's Dyer's replacement or that's one huge coincidence.

[Belfast Boy]

Baggio, do you rate Smith or not?

Seems strange that you see his signing as us taking 2 steps back, yet at the same time have his picture as your avatar.

[Rich]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

You know that's not what I meant at all.

 

And, as proven, there are idiots who have hated Dyer whether he's been good or bad, injured or fit, scoring or not-scoring, that's never been my game and it never will be. It's also not what I was getting at. I don't see people like that as being hypocrites, they've stuck to their bong-eyed line from day one. Personally I think we might miss him on the park for the reasons you mention, but he had to go now, so there's no point crying over spilt milk.

 

But we've replaced a player who didn't want to be here with a player who does, the quality difference between them as players is minimal if you ask me and is far less clear-cut than you're making it out to be, but the attitude thing could play a major role in determining how well they do for their respective clubs. Dyer was a spent force here, but might recapture something like his best form at West Ham and good luck to the lad, but surely Smith is a step in the right direction for a number of other reasons, not just his playing ability?

 

You're looking at things as very black and white here, no pun intended, more goes into how well players do at club's than your opinion on who the better one is. Smith isn't the better of the two, in your opinion, but you're ignoring the fact that he might be exactly what Allardyce wants in his team for how he wants us to play. I don't see a role for Dyer in the 4-3-3/4-5-1 thing, personally, especially a Dyer who didn't want to be here a minute longer.

 

My original point was that a lot of people saw KD as the last piece of the past that needed to go and now he's gone I'd assume it will do nothing but increase the feelgood factor around the club, be it right or wrong. Like I said, I can appreciate both sides of the argument, but at the end of the day more people wanted him gone than wanted him to stay so we've got happier fans and a replacement who will hopefully be given a chance to show what he can do.

 

Smith is Dyer's replacement, if you ask me. You're right on that.

[Rich]

Baggio, do you rate Smith or not?

Seems strange that you see his signing as us taking 2 steps back, yet at the same time have his picture as your avatar.

 

With "3 goals in 70 games" written under it...

[ChezGiven]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

what success and how did he help us acheive it?

 

i'd be interest to know....

 

Dyer played a big part in the 3 top 5 finishes the club achieved, don't you agree?

 

He's also a better player than his replacement.

 

We havent replaced him yet though. We got Smith at the same time as when the deal first fell through thats true but that doesnt mean he is the replacement.

 

Allardyce said Dyer's replacement will be revealed tomorrow, the next day we signed Smith.

 

Either he's Dyer's replacement or that's one huge coincidence.

 

Didnt he say something subsequently about buying Smith because he is pure fucking lush  and his purchase had nowt to do with Dyer or the money from Dyer's sale?

 

What you're implying is that Sam has thought 'I need to replace Dyer and Smith is the man'. Since they are clearly not that interchangeable, its not a like for like swap in anyone's mind. He replaced him in terms of numbers in the squad i'll give you that.

[Belfast Boy]

Baggio, do you rate Smith or not?

Seems strange that you see his signing as us taking 2 steps back, yet at the same time have his picture as your avatar.

 

With "3 goals in 70 games" written under it...

 

Ah yes, just noticed that.

[mrmojorisin75]

Okay I'll bite, nothing better to do:

 

You're forgetting/purposefully omitting that the player himself wanted to go, though, and we still got big money for him.

 

So there was nothing we could have done anyway, except get the best price possible.

 

Quite a major oversight, if you ask me, if it was actually unintentional. :parky:

 

Actually lad I didn't mention anything about the reason for him leaving the club, simply pointing out how hypocritical some people seem over the whole thing (not you, I mean in general) and that he's been a big part of the success the club has had in recent years.

 

I'm not looking for a bite out of anyone, perhaps I should stick with the stock reply of the majority of the idiots on here and wish he breaks his legs etc, if it'll keep you happy.

 

You know that's not what I meant at all.

 

And, as proven, there are idiots who have hated Dyer whether he's been good or bad, injured or fit, scoring or not-scoring, that's never been my game and it never will be. It's also not what I was getting at. I don't see people like that as being hypocrites, they've stuck to their bong-eyed line from day one. Personally I think we might miss him on the park for the reasons you mention, but he had to go now, so there's no point crying over spilt milk.

 

But we've replaced a player who didn't want to be here with a player who does, the quality difference between them as players is minimal if you ask me and is far less clear-cut than you're making it out to be, but the attitude thing could play a major role in determining how well they do for their respective clubs. Dyer was a spent force here, but might recapture something like his best form at West Ham and good luck to the lad, but surely Smith is a step in the right direction for a number of other reasons, not just his playing ability?

 

You're looking at things as very black and white here, no pun intended, more goes into how well players do at club's than your opinion on who the better one is. Smith isn't the better of the two, in your opinion, but you're ignoring the fact that he might be exactly what Allardyce wants in his team for how he wants us to play. I don't see a role for Dyer in the 4-3-3/4-5-1 thing, personally, especially a Dyer who didn't want to be here a minute longer.

 

My original point was that a lot of people saw KD as the last piece of the past that needed to go and now he's gone I'd assume it will do nothing but increase the feelgood factor around the club, be it right or wrong. Like I said, I can appreciate both sides of the argument, but at the end of the day more people wanted him gone than wanted him to stay so we've got happier fans and a replacement who will hopefully be given a chance to show what he can do.

 

Smith is Dyer's replacement, if you ask me. You're right on that.

 

bingo mate you've hit the nail on the head, smith might not have the pace of dyer (and let's be honest with ourselves - that's basically all dyer has going for him, good technique and control as well if we're being generous) but he'll fit into the managers plans a whole lot better

 

i'm not sure where the worry about losing dyers pace is coming from...running charlie n'zog is fast, duff is fast when fit, milner isn't as fast but he's sharp minded and quick over a short burst, obagoals is diabolically fast and owen's pace is well documented, geremi ain't slow and no-one has seen this spaniard play yet....

 

so what, honestly, are we really losing in that respect?  looking at the first game it seems allardyce is an astute enough coach to able to help martins use his pace more effectively, so if i had a magic time machine i wouldn't have minded seeing what he could do with dyer over a season, but seeing as we don't have a way to turn back the clock come the end of another disappointing season i think moving him on for a known quantity is an astute move.....

 

dee-dee-diddly-dee