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I would agree about the stamina up until this season which when he ran he looked like Nolan, he was slow and awful and puffing before the end, this before his injury and after a pre season where he gave another mouthful to Houghton cause he didn't start him the first game of the season. Source? http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/443769/Joey-Bartons-new-bust-up-Toon-bad-boy-in-training-ground-row.html Are you serious? I'm sorry I must apologise that some sites are no longer available 8 months after an incident happened.

I would agree about the stamina up until this season which when he ran he looked like Nolan, he was slow and awful and puffing before the end, this before his injury and after a pre season where he gave another mouthful to Houghton cause he didn't start him the first game of the season. Source? http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/443769/Joey-Bartons-new-bust-up-Toon-bad-boy-in-training-ground-row.html

wages maybe closer to 50% of turnover but that will mean little if he uses any excess to pay his loans back before the club is ready. I agree he has a lot to prove next season, like I said he has to spend some cash in the summer, we can't expect huge sums to be spent but he has to buy quality and replace the likes of Butt and Nolan. And yes he has to hold back on getting some of his loans back but nobody can predict what he'll do, but the question is, is mike ashley steering Newcastle in the right direction, I can't see how the answer can be no. At the very very best, if all you (and they) say is true and he's making the tough financial decisions to sort us out and the past year has been beneficial in terms of cost cutting, then I think the most you could say would be that he's put the brakes on our decline and there's a lot more work to do to start moving in the right direction. I don't believe that's the case though because, as I've said, the debt has been increasing at a far greater rate since Ashley arrived (and continues to do so). If we go up all The Ashley supporters are insisting he'll spend the money needed to keep us up....undoingh all the "good work" he's done bringing down costs. It's a logical fallacy. does that mean i have escaped being labelled an ashley supporter ? I hope I have as well, my first comments when he bought the club were that he would do exactly what he did. I was very unhappy to be proved right.

If the club did nothing next season and simply tried their best to stop up without spending any money they would end the season having made a profit wouldn't they ? Its that cash I'm looking for him to spend on players. Like I said I'm looking at £10-£15m tops.

wages maybe closer to 50% of turnover but that will mean little if he uses any excess to pay his loans back before the club is ready. I agree he has a lot to prove next season, like I said he has to spend some cash in the summer, we can't expect huge sums to be spent but he has to buy quality and replace the likes of Butt and Nolan. And yes he has to hold back on getting some of his loans back but nobody can predict what he'll do, but the question is, is mike ashley steering Newcastle in the right direction, I can't see how the answer can be no. At the very very best, if all you (and they) say is true and he's making the tough financial decisions to sort us out and the past year has been beneficial in terms of cost cutting, then I think the most you could say would be that he's put the brakes on our decline and there's a lot more work to do to start moving in the right direction. I don't believe that's the case though because, as I've said, the debt has been increasing at a far greater rate since Ashley arrived (and continues to do so). If we go up all The Ashley supporters are insisting he'll spend the money needed to keep us up....undoingh all the "good work" he's done bringing down costs. It's a logical fallacy. Doesn't the debt he has created this season get paid back when we get the money for going up ? I agree the debt has gone up since his arrival he was daft just on about the continuing to rise part.

If he's only doing 2-3 miles an hour and hit the bloke at 11pm how come he was home by 1am. He must live very close to Stamford Bridge. When he hit the bloke he was doing 2-3mph pedantic Pete.

And at Newcastle he has shown no talent at all.

I would agree about the stamina up until this season which when he ran he looked like Nolan, he was slow and awful and puffing before the end, this before his injury and after a pre season where he gave another mouthful to Houghton cause he didn't start him the first game of the season.

But again he showed that at City, at Newcastle he hasn't shown this and that's what I'm judging him on otherwise surely the same could be said about Germi cause he was canny at Chelsea.

What about the other 32 games ?

it's got little to do with who has talent as much as who plays better when they get the chance and barton has massivly underperformed in his time here. in fact bartons performances for us at the start of the season were worse than anything put out by smith or butt. Don't be daft, man. He's not, Alan Smith was seen by most at the start of the season as someone who had found their level and was playing good football. Barton wasn't and hasn't. Nicky Butt may be pushing it slightly but it still shows how well Barton has played for Newcastle in his time when he's being compared to the god awful Nicky Butt.

I've no idea where this Myth comes from about his good range of passing, again it's not something he has been able to show at Newcastle, his passing was more akin to Butts where he would give it away in a bad area of the pitch more often than he'd play a pin point pass. Guthrie is leaps and bounds a better player for Newcastle than Barton has shown. I could only laugh at your comments about him being naturally fit, he's managed 38 games for us in all competitions in 3 years. That's not fit that's a disgrace for the wages he picks up. I'd be picking Smith well before Barton and even Nolan because he can find the net in this league. Im preparing myself to cringe when he comes on as a sub and the usual suspects are up cheering like he's the messiah or even someone who has done something good for this club. He deserves none of that due to his behaviour, lack of talent, lack of respect and his overall attitude that he has shown since he signed for Newcastle who still pay him a ridiculous wage. The quicker he leaves the club the better, because come his first game back we'll be back in the papers for all the wrong reasons.

He played 6 games at the start of this season and didn't look like he was up the challange of playing Championship football. He somehow played 23 games in his first season at the club and looked terrible. The fact that he is as injury prone as Owen sits just below his violent tendencies.

This. Can't wait to see him back on the pitch. Easily our most talented midfielder. Jesus wept how pissed are you guys when you watch Newcastle play with Barton in the team ?? Pssst.... I don't think they watch at all, mate.

This. Can't wait to see him back on the pitch. Easily our most talented midfielder. Jesus wept how pissed are you guys when you watch Newcastle play with Barton in the team ??

So hang on his car was surround and he drove carefully 2-3mph through it and accidently knocked someone over, didn't realise, got home, was told and was breathalysed by police. Bit of a non story really.

Did I miss something ?

wages maybe closer to 50% of turnover but that will mean little if he uses any excess to pay his loans back before the club is ready. I agree he has a lot to prove next season, like I said he has to spend some cash in the summer, we can't expect huge sums to be spent but he has to buy quality and replace the likes of Butt and Nolan. And yes he has to hold back on getting some of his loans back but nobody can predict what he'll do, but the question is, is mike ashley steering Newcastle in the right direction, I can't see how the answer can be no.

he was miles better when he played for Man City, he's failed to show he's better than Butt since he signed.

Think people need to look more at what happened at Leeds to see where we could have gone if Ashley didn't turn round what he had started. Yes he was crap last year and made plenty of mistakes not many will argue that. This season however he did the right things to get us promoted. Press reports were everyone was for sale but players and the board seem to suggest this wasn't the case and it was more players who wanted to leave left those who didn't stayed. Ashley could have very easily sold off the high earners to get some cash in the bank and still paid some of their wages like Leeds had to do. He could have sacked our management during the blip around Xmas when people were saying Chris wasn't good enough to get us up, then having to pay more money on sacked management and more money on new managers. He could have not spent a penny in the January window and he could have took out a bank loan to cover the payments he's been making this season backed by our promotion money which would have cost us alot more than him taking on that debt. So yes he was crap and sent us down but he is steering us back in the right direction by the fact that we're more or less promoted, the wages next season will be again close to 50% of turnover and the club should be bringing some cash in. It's then just a case of progression again and hope he doesn't do anything stupid when we're back up there like try to sell the club straight away and not buy players because of that.

It's from the spoiler of course it is lol

Come on I know you've followed the club long enough and know enough about the history of Newcastle to know that's not totally true. Well he's the worst in my lifetime, which goes back half a century. Give over, what was going on in the 80s with the boardroom we had then including Gordon McKeag was alot worse than we've had under Ashley. In your opinion. Indeed

Come on I know you've followed the club long enough and know enough about the history of Newcastle to know that's not totally true. Well he's the worst in my lifetime, which goes back half a century. Give over, what was going on in the 80s with the boardroom we had then including Gordon McKeag was alot worse than we've had under Ashley.

Come on I know you've followed the club long enough and know enough about the history of Newcastle to know that's not totally true.

Mort had gone by the time of the tribunal that bit is true but the points that were raised at the tribunal were about actions that were taken when Mort was in charge and in control. Everything was in place and decided by the time Llambias came in which meant and was proved by the tribunal that when everything kicked off it was down to Mort.