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Won't happen while it's giving people the chance to moan on about Smith and how crap he is. He's become an unfair whipping boy imo and I'm not convinced he's been our worst player either. As I've said already, many had already made up their mind about him before he joined.

Won't happen while it's giving people the chance to moan on about Smith and how crap he is.

Aye.

Exactly, It's a joke. Milner left wing, Martins right wing, Barton D Wing... It's been said by some that Milner is a quality player on the left.

Hmm, It all becomes clear. I've never like Smith, he's got to be on the most overrated players in the game, which is ignored because he throws himself head first into a few tackles and argues with the ref. You and the majority of this forum, so you should feel at home. I doubt the bloke can do anything right.....

Don't know any of them, tbh.

No doubt playing along with the wind-up and having a laugh will cause you to (as usual) imagine you've, "touched a nerve," so I won't bother. So you did understand what I meant then? As always.

No doubt playing along with the wind-up and having a laugh will cause you to (as usual) imagine you've, "touched a nerve," so I won't bother.

Can't be bothered to write it again... 25th November 26th November

I don't think it was Smith that was the problem. He was given that task and did it alright. The back 4 defended well and Smith helped along. However, if you play Smith in that position, why do you need Geremi play? Geremi was totally shocking and was totally out of position with Smith taking up the role he usually would. It was so negative!! I can't believe Sam is blaming the players when it was obviously his tactics which totally took some people out of the game as there wasn't enough support for the attacking players. It's the same old story. The idiot is out of his depth at a big club, he is too negative and too cautious.

One word? Which one was that among the diatribe? If you haven't got it by now you'll never understand, so I won't bother trying to explain too much. Suffice to say, I like to debate and I'm fully aware people have different opinions and that's ok with me. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good old snipe though. If you want to slag me off any further send me a PM, I'm sure others are finding this boring.... Ta

I don't think wanting to play in your strongest position, in a team set out to win matches instead of hoping for a 0-0 draw all the time is very much to ask. I don't like player power, but it's pretty clear the manager is an idiot of the highest order and is taking the club nowhere.

fixed Aye, Barton's probably in jail, or somewhere....

It's really important we keep it tight and make things difficult for Chelsea. If we keep it tight I'm hoping we can nick a 3-0 defeat. Given Faye Taylor Beye Rozenhal Cacapa Enrique Carr Butt Edgar Barton

YES!!!! Seeing us win a trophy is what I day dream about dont think I have dreamt of wanting to finish 2nd,3rd or 4th before, although I have wanted us to finish in them positions many times. We'll have to disagree then. A one-off trophy from a cup competition against the backdrop of being absolute s**** in the league during the Souness period could never have made that period a "success" imo. I see ending the trophy less spell as something that would lift the whole place & break down the tension. Maybe answering YES to classing the Souness period as success was wrong, but I do place Newcastle winning a trophy just below not getting relegated from Premiership as things that are important to me. So do I on the bit in bold. But a single cup competition under the Souness regime wouldn't have been success in my eyes. The period under Robson was far more "successful," if you know what I mean.

So, noone is allowed to judge Smith based on what theyve seen (which includes a fair few games up front) throughout his career? Hes a good player and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot and biased against him? I think someone is a bit of a Smith fanboy. I can't understand why you're quoting me unless you're confusing me with someone who gives a toss about your opinion. Ive quoted you because im one of the "idiots" you took a stab at, someone who didnt want us to sign either Duff or Smith, and for good reasons too outside of your paranoid, delusional "negative bias" bollocks. You take cheap shots left, right and centre, start mocking when you cant debate with :idiot2: and mackems.gif mackems.gif icons, and now resort to angry attacks because you dont like the same kind of treatment. Very nice of you. In future, dont post bollocks if you dont want people replying to it. And just one thing. Who says im quoting you for your attention? Its more a case of pointing out the ridiculous flaws in logic and basic common sense in your posts. Which you obviously dont like, irrespective of whether you value someone's opinion or not. mackems.gif Angry? You're also shite at judging the mood of people when they make their posts. Your nonsense makes me laugh mate, you really shouldn't make out your posts are at all important.

YES!!!! Seeing us win a trophy is what I day dream about dont think I have dreamt of wanting to finish 2nd,3rd or 4th before, although I have wanted us to finish in them positions many times. We'll have to disagree then. A one-off trophy from a cup competition against the backdrop of being absolute shite in the league during the Souness period could never have made that period a "success" imo.

Not being funny, but you've got it completely wrong. As it's so incredible I'll treat this as a wind-up. By the way, I have no thoughts on him yesterday because I didn't see the match. I don't "avoid" points. You said, in this thread: 'some people are posting their opinions on specific players and on the team in general without seeing them play all that much.'. What did you mean then? A "throwaway" comment. Do you really want me to post a link to the meaning of "context?" The point I've been making about Smith should be obvious by now. I won't link to probably a couple of dozen posts where I've stated it. I'm sure you know what it is, but hey, you're once again picking people up on what they post.

So, noone is allowed to judge Smith based on what theyve seen (which includes a fair few games up front) throughout his career? Hes a good player and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot and biased against him? I think someone is a bit of a Smith fanboy. I can't understand why you're quoting me unless you're confusing me with someone who gives a toss about your opinion.

He played in midfield for Leeds. Correct. I should have said central midfield. I believe at Leeds he was out wide. But my point is still valid. Is Sir Alex Ferguson an idiot who can't judge a player? Correct. Again.

Not being funny, but you've got it completely wrong. As it's so incredible I'll treat this as a wind-up. By the way, I have no thoughts on him yesterday because I didn't see the match. I don't "avoid" points.

I wouldnt. Because comparing era's is totally flawed. Why ? Why should you lower your ambitions ? Because you can cherry pick what part of a era you want to compare it with & the environment that one era competed in compared may not be like for like. It is your method of what you class as success I dont understand it has nothing to do with ambition what so ever. I want us to win the league,FA cup, league cup, Champions League & win back the NewcastleGateshead plate for the record. Interesting. How do you measure success? Like most people winning football games, league positions & the one thing we all want a TROPHY. I wonder are there Man Utd fans out there discussing the merits of Gill V Kenyon or Fergie working for the Edwards family V Sir Alex working for the Glazer family. To me it seems obvious that the football manager is the most important person at a football club as when it goes tits up they get sacked so they must be the most influential people at any football club, so I tend to judge them. It is also obvious that players & the suits can influence how well or poor a manager does those. I agree. I'm really not at all bothered about discussing the owner, the board at all, which is why I've NEVER started a thread about either of them. All I do is respond to those who are obsessed with discussing and abusing them. Not being funny, but if Souness hadn't put himself ahead of the club and we'd won the Uefa Cup (we did have a good chance imo) do you think his time at the club could be called a success?

So Mort doesn't have to only beat the CL qualification he has to do so for longer. Does he also have to score more goals while conceding less and gain more points at every stage and in every game? As usual, your agenda stops you reading properly. If they finish in the top 5 for 3 seasons, and play regularly in europe including at least one Champions League run, over a decade then they have equalled it. Or are you going to move the goalposts to suit your usual anti Fred agenda mackems.gif You keep repeating yourself. That must be about a dozen times at least you've posted that. People must have their head up their arse if they still haven't got it.

I agree in hindsight, although I probably didn't at the time. If we could have got someone top class in for him after that season it really would have moved us up to the next level. Incidentally, what are your thoughts on the time he was sacked? Do you think, given the circumstance it would have been better to let him see out the year, whilst searching for a new manager to bring in, or did you agree with sacking him asap? Not trying to trap you in any way, just interested in your opinion. I was always a huge Bobby fan, which I guess blinded me to his faults a bit - and didn't want him to go at any point during his tenure, but was happy to accept it was his last season and that we were looking for a long term replacement. I think it was obvious Robson had lost the respect of the players and he needed to be replaced. I really do believe he should have gone after we finished 3rd and I said so at the time. Getting rid of Shearer and moving Robson out was the way forward but it didn't happen. A big mistake by the Board and probably bigger than appointing Souness. Once Robson's last season was underway it was so very obvious the players had no respect for Robson anymore, so despite it being ideal to change manager at the end of a season I think it became impossible and he had to go when he did. There are lots of people who can be "blamed" (if that's the right word) for the sacking of Robson and many have been discussed on here. What I don't think has ever really been discussed is the fact that some responsibility rests with Robson himself and his immediate staff. Ability on the football field is paramount, but research into the character of a person should also be a part of deciding whether or not to sign someone. After that, guiding young players properly is a part of the job. The club initiated a policy of signing young players, Robson and his immediate staff are in the firing line for their part in the way certain players became ill-disciplined and basically let the club down. This is what led to the sacking of Robson, not "only finishing 5th." It could maybe be argued that Robson was a victim of the general slipping of respect from young people towards elders and authority in society in general. I believe there is an element of that, tbh.

First time in my life I've heard of that one....