madras

The cup kept our season alive without doubt but the seasons other than that weren't too clever and the way we lost both was shocking. I was fearful of relegation in the 97/98 season at one point. 07/08 was a bit squeaky arse for a while. We just lost far too many influential players from the previous season, either by being sold or in Shearer's that horrible injury, although he was firing in the cup it took him quite a while to gain any form at all in the league, and by that I mean actually the season after. Ferdinand and Ginola replaced by Ian Rush and John Barnes. Blame Dalglish for that. Tomasson looked like he was from Shields, should've been a player for us. Big shame. rush was only a short term replacement as asprilla and shearer were injured. thomasson was never supposed to play up front. shearer/asprilla up front with hamman,solano,thomasson in midfield wasn't too bad if they'd been able to play together. The manager must have been ably supported then, given the unfortunate circumstances. dunno.....i've no idea if the manager tried to get a more pricey replacement for our injured forwards.

The cup kept our season alive without doubt but the seasons other than that weren't too clever and the way we lost both was shocking. I was fearful of relegation in the 97/98 season at one point. 07/08 was a bit squeaky arse for a while. We just lost far too many influential players from the previous season, either by being sold or in Shearer's that horrible injury, although he was firing in the cup it took him quite a while to gain any form at all in the league, and by that I mean actually the season after. Ferdinand and Ginola replaced by Ian Rush and John Barnes. Blame Dalglish for that. Tomasson looked like he was from Shields, should've been a player for us. Big shame. rush was only a short term replacement as asprilla and shearer were injured. thomasson was never supposed to play up front. shearer/asprilla up front with hamman,solano,thomasson in midfield wasn't too bad if they'd been able to play together.

not the positions i would have expected but then, that bit isn't in quotes anmd the bit in quotes says "about four"

We've qualified for Europe twice by being beaten cup finalists, I'm sure we were 13th in the league both times. 13th and only beaten by champions in the cup-final. I'd class that as a decent season this year. aye righto

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then. Isnt that the sub-text? no You've forgotten what its about then. Alzheimers probably... the conversation has moved on. check the OP for proof The OP is about Aimar, Dopey. and now it's not the subject of conversation. for a while the NE5 debate was on, but not now, now it's about what constitutes a good team and wether purely being in euro competition makes you a good team no matter how you got there. Well this still stands then, http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=53319.msg1401595#msg1401595 no So you're comparing Roeder's 7th to Cardiff and Millwall? Get a grip. i used fulham as a closer comparisson. cardiff and millwall were used to prove that just because you are in the uefa cupo doesn't mean you are good. Well what sort of point is that? If we'd qualified in the same manner it would be relevant, the fact is we were competing as top premiership club in each season we did qualify. Not as some wildcard cup-final appearers. you may wish to check where we finished in the league to secure our last intertoto slot. Why would i when i've already given the example of Roeder's (mediocre) 7th? i'll counter with souness's 14th

I keep getting a bite off maddie. (sounds so wrong i know). i'm bored aswell

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then. Isnt that the sub-text? no You've forgotten what its about then. Alzheimers probably... the conversation has moved on. check the OP for proof The OP is about Aimar, Dopey. and now it's not the subject of conversation. for a while the NE5 debate was on, but not now, now it's about what constitutes a good team and wether purely being in euro competition makes you a good team no matter how you got there. Well this still stands then, http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=53319.msg1401595#msg1401595 no So you're comparing Roeder's 7th to Cardiff and Millwall? Get a grip. i used fulham as a closer comparisson. cardiff and millwall were used to prove that just because you are in the uefa cupo doesn't mean you are good. Well what sort of point is that? If we'd qualified in the same manner it would be relevant, the fact is we were competing as top premiership club in each season we did qualify. Not as some wildcard cup-final appearers. you may wish to check where we finished in the league to secure our last intertoto slot.

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then. Isnt that the sub-text? no You've forgotten what its about then. Alzheimers probably... the conversation has moved on. check the OP for proof The OP is about Aimar, Dopey. and now it's not the subject of conversation. for a while the NE5 debate was on, but not now, now it's about what constitutes a good team and wether purely being in euro competition makes you a good team no matter how you got there. Well this still stands then, http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=53319.msg1401595#msg1401595 no So you're comparing Roeder's 7th to Cardiff and Millwall? Get a grip. i used fulham as a closer comparisson. cardiff and millwall were used to prove that just because you are in the uefa cupo doesn't mean you are good.

really think someone should change the thread title

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then. Isnt that the sub-text? no You've forgotten what its about then. Alzheimers probably... the conversation has moved on. check the OP for proof The OP is about Aimar, Dopey. and now it's not the subject of conversation. for a while the NE5 debate was on, but not now, now it's about what constitutes a good team and wether purely being in euro competition makes you a good team no matter how you got there. Well this still stands then, http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=53319.msg1401595#msg1401595 no

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then. Isnt that the sub-text? no You've forgotten what its about then. Alzheimers probably... the conversation has moved on. check the OP for proof The OP is about Aimar, Dopey. and now it's not the subject of conversation. for a while the NE5 debate was on, but not now, now it's about what constitutes a good team and wether purely being in euro competition makes you a good team no matter how you got there.

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then. Isnt that the sub-text? no You've forgotten what its about then. Alzheimers probably... the conversation has moved on. check the OP for proof

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then. Isnt that the sub-text? no

Kind of yes. I just dont think the Souness/Roeder team that got into Europe is a side that is going to go down in memory as one of our greats. I was in a random bar last night in Paris, some lad starts talking, asks where i am from, i answer and he explodes into passion about a night in Marseille in 2004. The lad was for OM tbf but it still shows our class and achievement. We were on the wrong end of things of course.... Am i meant to forget who was chairman at the time for the sake of it...? nobody mentioned the chairman...he was chairman when we went in the champs league and we were a good team then.

i'd compare us to when fulham were in the intertoto a few years back.

Cardiff were 90 minutes from being in Europe. thought they got in as man utd went into the champs league edit...they did and got beat 4-2 on agg by ferencvaros. aye...i was still on about millwall (or mi'wa as the locals call it)

don't get me wrong, i wouldn't turn it down,doing both would be nice but finishing 4th means you are good,champs league money (hopefully),players wanting to join and much better prospects As good as the money would be, I would still prefer a day of the glory being ours, the parade round town would mean more to me as fan. Maybe not for the club or the long term prospects but just for a day we would be the winners. The emotion of cup football is far greater & has more impact than most league placings bar 1st & 17th if you have been in the bottom 3 for about 37 games. i understand what you mean but i'm more pragmatic.

Cardiff were 90 minutes from being in Europe. thought they got in as man utd went into the champs league edit...they did and got beat 4-2 on agg by ferencvaros.

millwall in the uefa cup not so long......were they a good team ?

i don't know, they did it once didn;t they ? are you confident that Ashley will ? Was that a yes or a no? are you renewing your season ticket Ozzie lad , and did you have one anyway ? A yes or no will do ? Did you have one when the club really was mediocre. A yes or no will do ? Yeah, we've renewed. Yes, we had our season tickets through Shepherd's last three managerial appointments. no, I said when we were mediocre Ozzie lad. Not while playing in europe. Did you have one when we were mediocre, a simple yes or no will do. Not for me to get involved in this discussion but I would just comment that being in europe didnt make us a good team. We were still pretty mediocre on the whole but somehow muddled through. Papered over a whole lot of cracks saying "we were in europe". That it all. very good point....like saying we reached those two FA cupo finals because we were a top team. Are you seriously proposing changing the way we judge success? So if the team plays brilliantly and wins nothing, thats a success is it? Think carefully.... nothing of the sort.....i dont think cup success proves you are a good team and the latter uefa appearances were hardly earned...ie through the intertoto or because the cup winners had already qualified for europe. Great, that means we can propose any system we want to define success. This should be interesting... it's been discussed at length on here before and i've always took the line that i'd rather finish 4th in the prem than win the FA cup. i can think of poor teams in the past who have won the cup...i can't remember the last time the league champs werent the best team that year. I would take either of them atm but winning a trophy for me is something I would like to see more than anything. don't get me wrong, i wouldn't turn it down,doing both would be nice but finishing 4th means you are good,champs league money (hopefully),players wanting to join and much better prospects

i don't know, they did it once didn;t they ? are you confident that Ashley will ? Was that a yes or a no? are you renewing your season ticket Ozzie lad , and did you have one anyway ? A yes or no will do ? Did you have one when the club really was mediocre. A yes or no will do ? Yeah, we've renewed. Yes, we had our season tickets through Shepherd's last three managerial appointments. no, I said when we were mediocre Ozzie lad. Not while playing in europe. Did you have one when we were mediocre, a simple yes or no will do. Not for me to get involved in this discussion but I would just comment that being in europe didnt make us a good team. We were still pretty mediocre on the whole but somehow muddled through. Papered over a whole lot of cracks saying "we were in europe". That it all. very good point....like saying we reached those two FA cupo finals because we were a top team. Are you seriously proposing changing the way we judge success? So if the team plays brilliantly and wins nothing, thats a success is it? Think carefully.... nothing of the sort.....i dont think cup success proves you are a good team and the latter uefa appearances were hardly earned...ie through the intertoto or because the cup winners had already qualified for europe. Great, that means we can propose any system we want to define success. This should be interesting... it's been discussed at length on here before and i've always took the line that i'd rather finish 4th in the prem than win the FA cup. i can think of poor teams in the past who have won the cup...i can't remember the last time the league champs werent the best team that year.

i don't know, they did it once didn;t they ? are you confident that Ashley will ? Was that a yes or a no? are you renewing your season ticket Ozzie lad , and did you have one anyway ? A yes or no will do ? Did you have one when the club really was mediocre. A yes or no will do ? Yeah, we've renewed. Yes, we had our season tickets through Shepherd's last three managerial appointments. no, I said when we were mediocre Ozzie lad. Not while playing in europe. Did you have one when we were mediocre, a simple yes or no will do. Not for me to get involved in this discussion but I would just comment that being in europe didnt make us a good team. We were still pretty mediocre on the whole but somehow muddled through. Papered over a whole lot of cracks saying "we were in europe". That it all. very good point....like saying we reached those two FA cupo finals because we were a top team. Are you seriously proposing changing the way we judge success? So if the team plays brilliantly and wins nothing, thats a success is it? Think carefully.... nothing of the sort.....i dont think cup success proves you are a good team and the latter uefa appearances were hardly earned...ie through the intertoto or because the cup winners had already qualified for europe.

i don't know, they did it once didn;t they ? are you confident that Ashley will ? Was that a yes or a no? are you renewing your season ticket Ozzie lad , and did you have one anyway ? A yes or no will do ? Did you have one when the club really was mediocre. A yes or no will do ? Yeah, we've renewed. Yes, we had our season tickets through Shepherd's last three managerial appointments. no, I said when we were mediocre Ozzie lad. Not while playing in europe. Did you have one when we were mediocre, a simple yes or no will do. Not for me to get involved in this discussion but I would just comment that being in europe didnt make us a good team. We were still pretty mediocre on the whole but somehow muddled through. Papered over a whole lot of cracks saying "we were in europe". That it all. very good point....like saying we reached those two FA cupo finals because we were a top team.

true but i think everywhere from 5th downwards is up fro grabs and had keegan been there from sept 1st i think we would have been top half.

i don't know, they did it once didn;t they ? are you confident that Ashley will ? no i'm not confident of a return to the champs league but i have more confidence in ashleytaking us forward than i had in shepherd those last 3 years. Forward, or into the top 4 ? champs league would be top 4 wouldn't it ?......forward means improving on where we were when he took over.