madras

so thats all right then.

ermmmmm what? Dawson was signed in a suprise deal at the end of the january transfer window (2004 along with Reid), Lennon was also done quietly, and i have no recolection of us doing anything wrong in both the Chimbonda and jj deals. maybe the evening standard didn't report it i know chimbonda was quoted well before his move saying how good a move it would be. lennon was linked well before his move and yes jj did say how good a move to spurs would be for him while jol said words to the affect of "if a player like jenas became available we would be interested"

defending aint just about the back 4 It was here for the most of last season it's been my constant rattle on this and every football forum i've ever been on...defending,like attacking is a team thing. blaming the back 4 alone for the defending is like blaming a forward for a lack of goals when he is getting no support or service. that and "attacking" and "defensive" midfielders...the best ones and the ones we ought to be looking for if we are going to 4-4-2....do both well

the answer...a transfer embargo..not allowed to sign a player in for 12 or 24 months.

didn't spurs do the same with chimbonda and dawson,lennon and jenas to a slightly lesser extent.

I clicked on the photo but it didn't take me to anywhere to see where anybody at the club had said we had a policy of lowering the wage bill or to where we could see quotes about us missing out on players because we'd offered less money than another team. Any chance of fixing the link? I've supplied plenty of factual material to you in the past in the form of league positions and amount of european qualifications and you ignore those because they don't fit your "opinion". That photo is an identikit of you. Why not start by admitting the bleeding obvious ......... mackems.gif yes about those european qualifications under souness and roeder...and where allardyce would have took us? please tell us more. I'm not a prophet, I've no idea where Allardyce would have taken us. I'm not going to use hindsight though, I'll admit that I was for this appointment and he blew it big style. He may have done it in the long run but he had to go, these are decisions that have to be made when things start to go wrong, and thats football. so can you see where some of us are coming from. shepherd had done it in the past but then he couldn't cut it and stopped doing it,the poor appointments time after time,the heightening debt...did you in all honesty have confidence in him turning it round ? no one denies he did good for a while but,like managers and players,when they are no longer able to do what they are supposed to it's best if they move on. except a chairman isn't a manager or a player, their age is irrelevant. You are categorically saying they wouldn't have appointed a good manager, and considering they backed them. I simply don't agree with you, you can't say its impossible that they would not have appointed the right man. i am saying given their form it was unlikely....how confident were you they could turn it round ? and do you think they would have got rid of allardyce before his damage was terminal ? you simply just can't say. Nobody can, they appointed Keegan and Robson didn't they, so why not ? Dalglish won everything going, so how can you say they wouldn't have attracted someone else who had a great CV ? YOu can't. One things for sure, when they did appoint a good one, they backed him. You can't say that yet for Ashley. In fact, so far it looks like they are getting the most important thing of all massively wrong. you simply can't say if shola had played every game last season he wouldn't have scored 30 goals. did you see my earlier poast as to the backing robson recieved in his first pre season for us.(which is the closest i can think of the situation we are in at present)..oh and the most important thing is the manager I can say with some conviction that Ameobi wouldn't score 30 goals this coming season. I replied to your post. He bought Cort for a fairly big fee at the time, and some younger players, and Cordone and Acuna. You are right to point out that only when he made the other 2 big major buys, it made the difference but not until then. Thats sort of my point. 1 big buy surely....the 6 mill for bellamy being par for the course. ...err would you be happy with that now a cort type signing cordone (on loan) unknown cheap south american and some unknown kids ? Depends who the chairman/owner is. haha, ironic indeed. The Halls and Shepherd had proved their ambition. Ashley has not. And Robson didn't complain about backing like both Allardyce and Keegan have done. Lets see if how close we get under Ashley to the positions Hall and Shepherd got to with the same manager. wrong...appointing souness,roeder and allardyce one after the other DID NOT prove their ambition. in fact it proved the exact opposite. that is their form,that is their recent history,that is where we were going.

defending aint just about the back 4

I don't think the defence is all that bad tbh. the defenders aren't all that bad but at too many times last season the defending throughout the teasm was atrocious.

I clicked on the photo but it didn't take me to anywhere to see where anybody at the club had said we had a policy of lowering the wage bill or to where we could see quotes about us missing out on players because we'd offered less money than another team. Any chance of fixing the link? I've supplied plenty of factual material to you in the past in the form of league positions and amount of european qualifications and you ignore those because they don't fit your "opinion". That photo is an identikit of you. Why not start by admitting the bleeding obvious ......... mackems.gif yes about those european qualifications under souness and roeder...and where allardyce would have took us? please tell us more. I'm not a prophet, I've no idea where Allardyce would have taken us. I'm not going to use hindsight though, I'll admit that I was for this appointment and he blew it big style. He may have done it in the long run but he had to go, these are decisions that have to be made when things start to go wrong, and thats football. so can you see where some of us are coming from. shepherd had done it in the past but then he couldn't cut it and stopped doing it,the poor appointments time after time,the heightening debt...did you in all honesty have confidence in him turning it round ? no one denies he did good for a while but,like managers and players,when they are no longer able to do what they are supposed to it's best if they move on. except a chairman isn't a manager or a player, their age is irrelevant. You are categorically saying they wouldn't have appointed a good manager, and considering they backed them. I simply don't agree with you, you can't say its impossible that they would not have appointed the right man. i am saying given their form it was unlikely....how confident were you they could turn it round ? and do you think they would have got rid of allardyce before his damage was terminal ? you simply just can't say. Nobody can, they appointed Keegan and Robson didn't they, so why not ? Dalglish won everything going, so how can you say they wouldn't have attracted someone else who had a great CV ? YOu can't. One things for sure, when they did appoint a good one, they backed him. You can't say that yet for Ashley. In fact, so far it looks like they are getting the most important thing of all massively wrong. you simply can't say if shola had played every game last season he wouldn't have scored 30 goals. did you see my earlier poast as to the backing robson recieved in his first pre season for us.(which is the closest i can think of the situation we are in at present)..oh and the most important thing is the manager I can say with some conviction that Ameobi wouldn't score 30 goals this coming season. I replied to your post. He bought Cort for a fairly big fee at the time, and some younger players, and Cordone and Acuna. You are right to point out that only when he made the other 2 big major buys, it made the difference but not until then. Thats sort of my point. 1 big buy surely....the 6 mill for bellamy being par for the course. ...err would you be happy with that now a cort type signing cordone (on loan) unknown cheap south american and some unknown kids ?

I clicked on the photo but it didn't take me to anywhere to see where anybody at the club had said we had a policy of lowering the wage bill or to where we could see quotes about us missing out on players because we'd offered less money than another team. Any chance of fixing the link? I've supplied plenty of factual material to you in the past in the form of league positions and amount of european qualifications and you ignore those because they don't fit your "opinion". That photo is an identikit of you. Why not start by admitting the bleeding obvious ......... mackems.gif yes about those european qualifications under souness and roeder...and where allardyce would have took us? please tell us more. I'm not a prophet, I've no idea where Allardyce would have taken us. I'm not going to use hindsight though, I'll admit that I was for this appointment and he blew it big style. He may have done it in the long run but he had to go, these are decisions that have to be made when things start to go wrong, and thats football. so can you see where some of us are coming from. shepherd had done it in the past but then he couldn't cut it and stopped doing it,the poor appointments time after time,the heightening debt...did you in all honesty have confidence in him turning it round ? no one denies he did good for a while but,like managers and players,when they are no longer able to do what they are supposed to it's best if they move on. except a chairman isn't a manager or a player, their age is irrelevant. You are categorically saying they wouldn't have appointed a good manager, and considering they backed them. I simply don't agree with you, you can't say its impossible that they would not have appointed the right man. i am saying given their form it was unlikely....how confident were you they could turn it round ? and do you think they would have got rid of allardyce before his damage was terminal ? you simply just can't say. Nobody can, they appointed Keegan and Robson didn't they, so why not ? Dalglish won everything going, so how can you say they wouldn't have attracted someone else who had a great CV ? YOu can't. One things for sure, when they did appoint a good one, they backed him. You can't say that yet for Ashley. In fact, so far it looks like they are getting the most important thing of all massively wrong. you simply can't say if shola had played every game last season he wouldn't have scored 30 goals. did you see my earlier poast as to the backing robson recieved in his first pre season for us.(which is the closest i can think of the situation we are in at present)..oh and the most important thing is the manager

I clicked on the photo but it didn't take me to anywhere to see where anybody at the club had said we had a policy of lowering the wage bill or to where we could see quotes about us missing out on players because we'd offered less money than another team. Any chance of fixing the link? I've supplied plenty of factual material to you in the past in the form of league positions and amount of european qualifications and you ignore those because they don't fit your "opinion". That photo is an identikit of you. Why not start by admitting the bleeding obvious ......... mackems.gif yes about those european qualifications under souness and roeder...and where allardyce would have took us? please tell us more. I'm not a prophet, I've no idea where Allardyce would have taken us. I'm not going to use hindsight though, I'll admit that I was for this appointment and he blew it big style. He may have done it in the long run but he had to go, these are decisions that have to be made when things start to go wrong, and thats football. so can you see where some of us are coming from. shepherd had done it in the past but then he couldn't cut it and stopped doing it,the poor appointments time after time,the heightening debt...did you in all honesty have confidence in him turning it round ? no one denies he did good for a while but,like managers and players,when they are no longer able to do what they are supposed to it's best if they move on. except a chairman isn't a manager or a player, their age is irrelevant. You are categorically saying they wouldn't have appointed a good manager, and considering they backed them. I simply don't agree with you, you can't say its impossible that they would not have appointed the right man. shepherds record of apointing managers: dalgleish = bad, gullit = bad, robson = good, souness = awful, roeder = bad, allardyce = bad 1 out of 6, if that's good, then i do worry about why you back him so much dalglish was a good appointment that didn't work out and IMO he shoild have been given more time.

I know some folk refer to Keegan as the "Geordie Messiah", but I think some people are taking that a bit too literally if they think he can work literal miracles turning lazy, bone-idle, overpaid, self-centred, petulant prima donnas into stalwart, dedicated, talented, exciting, cavalier, extrovert players and a world-class team. Basically, we're f***ed. he focuses on the basics....pass and move. if we'd done that adequately all season ,at easter we'd have been working out wether we could make europe not avoiding relegation.

I clicked on the photo but it didn't take me to anywhere to see where anybody at the club had said we had a policy of lowering the wage bill or to where we could see quotes about us missing out on players because we'd offered less money than another team. Any chance of fixing the link? I've supplied plenty of factual material to you in the past in the form of league positions and amount of european qualifications and you ignore those because they don't fit your "opinion". That photo is an identikit of you. Why not start by admitting the bleeding obvious ......... mackems.gif yes about those european qualifications under souness and roeder...and where allardyce would have took us? please tell us more. I'm not a prophet, I've no idea where Allardyce would have taken us. I'm not going to use hindsight though, I'll admit that I was for this appointment and he blew it big style. He may have done it in the long run but he had to go, these are decisions that have to be made when things start to go wrong, and thats football. so can you see where some of us are coming from. shepherd had done it in the past but then he couldn't cut it and stopped doing it,the poor appointments time after time,the heightening debt...did you in all honesty have confidence in him turning it round ? no one denies he did good for a while but,like managers and players,when they are no longer able to do what they are supposed to it's best if they move on. except a chairman isn't a manager or a player, their age is irrelevant. You are categorically saying they wouldn't have appointed a good manager, and considering they backed them. I simply don't agree with you, you can't say its impossible that they would not have appointed the right man. i am saying given their form it was unlikely....how confident were you they could turn it round ? and do you think they would have got rid of allardyce before his damage was terminal ?

yes,but not to any great effect. the lad has potential but apart from his debut he hasn't shown any reason to think he's pushing for a first team spot.

the Mrs is dreading this season. my mate who used to sit next to me packed in and his seat has been taken over by another mate who was sat on his own. problem is we have a habit of getting very hammered when we areb together,we are bad influences on each other......bring it on.

I clicked on the photo but it didn't take me to anywhere to see where anybody at the club had said we had a policy of lowering the wage bill or to where we could see quotes about us missing out on players because we'd offered less money than another team. Any chance of fixing the link? I've supplied plenty of factual material to you in the past in the form of league positions and amount of european qualifications and you ignore those because they don't fit your "opinion". That photo is an identikit of you. Why not start by admitting the bleeding obvious ......... mackems.gif yes about those european qualifications under souness and roeder...and where allardyce would have took us? please tell us more. I'm not a prophet, I've no idea where Allardyce would have taken us. I'm not going to use hindsight though, I'll admit that I was for this appointment and he blew it big style. He may have done it in the long run but he had to go, these are decisions that have to be made when things start to go wrong, and thats football. so can you see where some of us are coming from. shepherd had done it in the past but then he couldn't cut it and stopped doing it,the poor appointments time after time,the heightening debt...did you in all honesty have confidence in him turning it round ? no one denies he did good for a while but,like managers and players,when they are no longer able to do what they are supposed to it's best if they move on.

I clicked on the photo but it didn't take me to anywhere to see where anybody at the club had said we had a policy of lowering the wage bill or to where we could see quotes about us missing out on players because we'd offered less money than another team. Any chance of fixing the link? I've supplied plenty of factual material to you in the past in the form of league positions and amount of european qualifications and you ignore those because they don't fit your "opinion". That photo is an identikit of you. Why not start by admitting the bleeding obvious ......... mackems.gif yes about those european qualifications under souness and roeder...and where allardyce would have took us? please tell us more.

exactly, he turned us down because he probably still has some ambition left in him than to take up a big offer from us money isn't everything you know the rumours are that it was down to wages..he'd rather play in the prem than portugal but they offered more.

Remind me when this was again. Kluivert being the best example. It was never a rule though, which is where people fall down in their arguments with NE5. only example really.

not quite sure how you'd notice the difference.

Dave man. What I find irritating at the moment is you can only have a wider opinion about things these days if something is "proven" to be true. What the guys sics is saying stands up outside of an individual example with or without evidence we bid for the guy. Why not try debating what he's actually talking about? I remember before the window opened myself and TT (I think) were listing the positives of making an early impact signing and were just countered with "the windows not even open yet man" or "only 2 clubs have signed anyone". That is not the nature of argument and discussion. Some of us at the moment have a belief that when it comes to negotiations the club are either inept, have no understanding of the game, or are simply unwilling to "go the extra mile" to complete a deal for the QUALITY players we all know we need. I'm not basing that on Aimar. I'm basing that on Spiderman and Guthrie. And Modric and Woodgate. really you are basing it on aimar alone as in both the latter cases it's reported that we offered more than the places they ended up. sorry like but if you can't read i'm not going to teach you, don't have time same for neesy111 i don't want to learn to read if it only leads to gossip,hearsay..................or you.

Dave man. What I find irritating at the moment is you can only have a wider opinion about things these days if something is "proven" to be true. What the guys sics is saying stands up outside of an individual example with or without evidence we bid for the guy. Why not try debating what he's actually talking about? I remember before the window opened myself and TT (I think) were listing the positives of making an early impact signing and were just countered with "the windows not even open yet man" or "only 2 clubs have signed anyone". That is not the nature of argument and discussion. Some of us at the moment have a belief that when it comes to negotiations the club are either inept, have no understanding of the game, or are simply unwilling to "go the extra mile" to complete a deal for the QUALITY players we all know we need. I'm not basing that on Aimar. I'm basing that on Spiderman and Guthrie. And Modric and Woodgate. really you are basing it on aimar alone as in both the latter cases it's reported that we offered more than the places they ended up.

3 of each of the clear spirits the blue bols and lemonade

you're coming over to live and work here next season aren't you....if we don't finish better this season than last i'll meet up with you lot and buy you a blue pint.

be surprised if we sold him and to be quite honest (from the little i've seen of him...1 first team game, about half dozen reserve games and 2 falkirk games) i'd rather let keep all three (him,harpoer,given) for one more season then ship out one of the older blokes.