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Vera committed 5 fouls who deserved yellow cards. The fact he wasn't sent off does show the ref was quite out of it. The fact that Lucas and Alcaraz got reds when Valdez and Thiago Silva did much worse things shows that the ref had no idea on what he was doing. Just like the rest of the tournament the refs have been ridonculous, but Paraguay used this and were very smart. The CONMEBOL need to improve couple of things, one is the education of referees and the other is force clubs to improve their grassfields to make South American football more appealing.

More athletic than the team under Dunga? Really? This team for me is less athletic and more skillful, and it certainly doesn't lack football intelligence, it lacks coherency at the moment but I believe time will only help. I'm rather happy we didn't win this tournament as it proves we need to keep on working hard if we're to achieve what we want to in 2014. It's extremely important to not make the same mistake the team in 2006 made and perform well. The tactics implemented by Mano takes time to adapt to, but had it not been for magical saves and costly mistakes this team wouldn't have a conceded a goal during the whole Copa. Give players such as Neymar, Ganso, Pato time to gel, they have the Olympics next year and then the confederations cup to improve their partnership. Put Lucas there and possibly Coutinho if he goes back to his fall form and we have a very good chance of adapting these young guys into this tactic and let them mature. Brazil have 100 steps to climb to win the World Cup and right now they're at the 10th step. They improved a lot against Paraguay and were unlucky not to win. The game has to be more direct, the ball from the defenders to the attackers take way to long, and I believe Lucas Leiva and Andre Santos to be the main villains for this error. Sandro and Marcelo are better players but we have some good players coming through the ranks in Brazil (finally, we hadn't seen any exciting players since Robinho and Diego emerging like Ganso, Neymar, Lucas and possibly Coutinho might). Have my money on Paraguay winning this now, effective team and Uruguay will have problems with such an organized defence.

My thought exactly, isn't it Yohan's fault?

Brazilian league is decent. Or WTF do you mean by decent you racist fuck? On a serious note, Tevez - Liedson will run riot for a Corinthians who are already running riot in the league with 8 wins in 9 games.

I came to the conclusion to why the favorites have been defeated. It's because they're used to real fucking grassfields compared to the communist venezuelan and inca peruvian boys who play on half sand half dirt. Sorry, but fucking hell the pitches are woeful.

Unlucky. Fucking hell Villar. I know its a start of a new project with young guys, but really hope we try to get Muricy Ramalho in instead of Mano. Mano taking off Ganso and Neymar, two players who with their individual brilliance could've won this game is borderline idiocy. Also i feel Muricy has more to offer than Mano in terms of experience. Argentina and Brazil ooooot!

pelanty, brazil have no pelanty kicker.

We will lose this, book it. Those saves will come and bite our ass's. Ridonculous!

Peru Fucking hell, Colombia has been shit so far only Guarin has been decent.

30 seconds and Advincula got his first yellow.

There must be a reason why everyone has rated him so high. I have high hopes for him, and think he would thrive as substitute for Ben Arfa in cup games and games that we have a big lead. Number 10 behind the striker like Ben Arfa will do him wonders I believe, no need to loan him out, the 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 is perfect for him if you believe what you read.

Well in all honesty i've never really seen Marveaux play so he would be higher up in pecking order and i've only seen Cabaye play once and i'd have Kranjcar ahead of him. Definitly think he would improve our team, he's a class act. Obviously could turn out Marveaux and Cabaye are both better but i'm not in a place to judge. Kranjcar is a much better football player than Marveaux. Well there you go, the resident Sylvain Marveaux expert has spoken. Sewelly, fucking hell, your on fire right now.

Fucking embarassing but hilarious at the same time.

And they most probably will keep him till then.

Neymar is better than Busquets in diving, so Real will get that advantage if he joins them.

More like it. Once again terrible performance from Brazil bar Neymar, Maicon and possibly Pato.

Essien?

She'd have a big cock too, tbh. Lovely goalkeeper that, Newcastle should buy her, better than Shope Holo.

Caicedo looks good tbh. Better than Rondon by the looks of it. Strong and good movement. Holds the ball excellently too. Brazilian defending is the worst I've seen since we played you lot in Japan during the WC 2002.

If Brazil draws they play Venezuela, if they win by two or 3-2 (or more) they play Paraguay. If they win 2-1 there will be a coin toss between whos #1 and #2 in the group between Brazil and Venezuela.

coin toss / draw

That's wrong however, the coin toss would decide which team is the best and 2nd best 3rd placed team.

More like £20 million