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Wow, horrible second part of the post. How can you expect a team like Brazil or Argentina to look like a team when they've had less than a week playing together. Dunga had the same players at his disposal for many years, if you look back he actually lost against Venezuela with players looking like a team. Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Chile ain't Spain who have a squad made up of mostly players from 2 clubs who play together the whole time. It will take a while to gel and that's expected. It definitely is, but will only get better when the argentinian and brazilian players starts clicking with each other. Fun to see teams like Paraguay, Uruguay and Chile as they have squads more than capable of winning the title.

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He didn't play well last night, was isolated on the left flank and tried the extra dribble way to many times. Thiago Silva and then dare I say it but Lucas Leivas second half were the best performances last night. Pato showed a lot of promise but must stay focused for every minute he'son the field. Sometimes he didn't expect the ball and when he got it he was surprised and missed the control. HE was also standing offside a lot which he was criticized for during the first half even if he was one of the betters in the last 20 minutes of the first half.

They were, and timid is probably the best word you can use. Only player who tried the direct approach was probably Pato who had the best chance of the game, Neymar tried the extra dribble, so did Robinho and Ganso didn't believe in his shot from outside the area even if he has a very good shot. To bad, but we'll no doubt grow in the tournament even if I'm not sure that'll be enough to win the whole tournament, but the important is to show that the project with the young kids is going in the right direction. If Lucas ever plays with Ganso, Pato and Neymar up top that 'quadruple' will have an average age of 19,7 or so which is quite ridiculous. The future is bright, but it's all about commitment.

Let the kid gel before you start judging them. Robinho can stay afar from the team, no need to have someone who slows down the game at every moment. Don't forget Ganso and Pato have come back from injuries having been more than 3 months away and will need match fitness to be able to get into their groove. Neymar was absolutely terrible and we're lucky to have the worlds best central defender in Thiago Silva who saved us plenty of times today. Lucas Leiva, was crap for the first half, but god what a good performance he had in the 2nd half, probably the best I've ever seen him play and yet he was average. Also Ramires had without a doubt a 'Chelsea' performance, was his worst in the yellow shirt. Hope these guys stay calm and as Elano pointed out, in 2007 we lost to Mexico 2-0 but still went on to beat the Argies 3-0 and win the whole thing. Have no doubt this team has the talent to win it all, but it's all about being able to play as a team. Uruguay is the only team who has been playing together without major changes for 3-4 years now and also been practicing together for a month now.

I've just read that the last game between Brazil and Venezuela finished 0-0. Definitely won't be easy, anyone thinking Brazil will trash Venezuela must think these guys will click directly, because thats the only chance of us completely trashing them.

Was quite surprised that he moved, but now I see the amount he's going to earn. Fucking ridiculous like. Great argentinian player, the Brazilian people want to see him in our national team since he's eligible to apply for Brazilian citizenship if he ahsn't already gotten it. Great litte playmaker.

Spot the odd one out. Of that lot I obviously don't believe CRonaldo to be a part of that level, but many in here do so I put him in there.

Exactly, there can be talks about Maradona, Garrincha, Cruyff, Messi, Ronaldo, CRonaldo, Zidane, Platini, Beckenbauer, Zico, Romario, Baggio but no one will ever be as big as Pele, he's the step above all of them. I have no doubts Messi has the talent to one day be up there, but so did Ronaldo and Zidane and they never really reached that magical level. People talk about how Messi plays in a modern game where its so much harder because of the level and speed of the game. But people tend to forget that Pele played under an era where he was brutally kicked every 2 minutes. He had no protection, nowadays the referee protects players from being physically murdered back then they didn't. Pele had to leave a World Cup (his only without winning it) because he was so brutally taken care off by defenders and the referees didn't care. I can only imagine how that World Cup would've looked like had he not been injured by the Bulgarian and Portuguese defenders. For you who haven't watched those games, you should look, even Parana (right back during that World Cup) has personally told me and relatives about how it was even worse than what you saw on TV. Maybe Pele would've won 4 World Cups and been even bigger than what he is had he been protected by referees. Messi is without a doubt the best right now, but to start comparing him with the greats is still silly. People say 'why does he have to win with the national team' and so on, well the answer is really easy, he has to prove that he can win outside his comfort zone at Barcelona.

How can anyone say that Jonas should start ahead of Marveaux against Arsenal. Isn't preseason the pretty important to determine who starts and where?

I predicted that, your to predictable Disco.

What's weird is that people compare Maradona to Pele

http://pele.m-qp-m.us/english/pele_statistics.shtml Look at this file. It also includes some international games inwhich Pelé failed to score!!! Guess in those select games you couldn't compare him to Messi. Wasn't being really serious about 'that's why' part. However, you can't compare Messi to Pele, and you never will.

And that's why you don't compare Messi to Pele...

He probably would be your best signing of the summer to be honest. But he's not a fantastic player

Wearside is deluded, the fact that anyone actually debates/argues/talks to him is utterly ridiculous. Although his post above is probably the first time ever he didn't write something stupid and wrote the obvious instead. (except its not a new position for Ben Arfa to play off the striker since he's done it before at other clubs.)

Nasri is at £20m it be unhealthy to pay £20m for Sturridge. Although I really do hope we sign him, but the prices these days are unreal.

£27,5 million for Palacios and Taraabt, if that is true then the world has gone mad.

Funniest thing I've heard.

You guys got it all wrong, he's fucking abysmal and I know that. What I meant was that Nasri is easily worth £30million in todays market so Nasri and Denilson together must go for £30million. Meaning Denilson is worth shit all and can go for free. Thank you very much.

Nasri, Denilson and Cesc leaving would be terrible except if you actually get around £10million for Denilson which would make up the small amount you're getting for Nasri.

Gervinho is nowhere near as good as Nasri was in the French League and neither is he better now. Whatever your hearing is bullshit. Gervinho however, is a good player but you cannot forget the adaptation to the league and the ACN will hit you harder than you think.

Agreed, but Gibbs ain't much better, so unless they bring in someone better its stupid to sell him.

Sunderland have signed Wickham, Larsson and are brining in Gardner. Can definitely see them becoming a more stable mid-table team, but those signings will never help them challenge for Europe.