Northern Monkey

Ameobi IS also shit, yes. Neither of them shoudl be near the first team. But Ameobi, awful, innefective and unskilled as he is, is still a better bet than Luque.

Its not ROeders fault that Luque is shit. And Luque is NOT a £9.5m asset, any more than Boumwrong was an £8m asset. If i went out and paid £10,000 for a K Reg Escort, it wouldn't make it actually worth £10,000. It'd mean i paid way too much, liek we did for Luque. Alas, we have also given him wages above his station, and now we are lumbered. Roeder is culpable for a number of errors. Luque being rubbish isn't one of them. Seriously if you were reading, I hardly said that Roeder is to be blamed for Luque being 'rubbish' (according to you). My gripe is that we are gonna yet again lose a player on the cheap and we've done so many times, its unreal. I agree that we over paid when we got him, he is worth more around the 5-6M bracket (based on his form in Depor which by the way was not just invented on the internet reel had you watched La Liga), but we are gonna lose a hell lot of money when we sell him for 2-3M (if we are lucky) in January. If we get £3m for him, based on the ability he has shown since he came here, that'd be fair.

Yeah, well done Roeder. It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January. So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

And yet there is jsut a rumour abotu one single spanish club coming in for him,. despite it surely being known he was finished here.

|I cna only speak for how i seen him play here. I had never heard of him before, to any degree, but i have seen him play for us, and the vast, vast majority of times, he's been utter gash. Doesnt mean he is a sh*te footballer though! I never personally witnessed Hitler being evil but im pretty confident he wasnt the nicest fella around. No, it means he's been a shite footballer for us, which is all i care about. I don't care about internet showreels or 2nd hand reports from Spain - for us, he'd been utterly rubbish.

|I cna only speak for how i seen him play here. I had never heard of him before, to any degree, but i have seen him play for us, and the vast, vast majority of times, he's been utter gash.

Its not ROeders fault that Luque is shit. And Luque is NOT a £9.5m asset, any more than Boumwrong was an £8m asset. If i went out and paid £10,000 for a K Reg Escort, it wouldn't make it actually worth £10,000. It'd mean i paid way too much, liek we did for Luque. Alas, we have also given him wages above his station, and now we are lumbered. Roeder is culpable for a number of errors. Luque being rubbish isn't one of them.

Not as simple as that, 1 or 2 teams were in for him but they didnt offer enough. Luque's wages will be a hurdle because he wont leave unless he's on roughly the same money We don't know that ANY teams came in for him. More likely no-one wants him, because he's fucking nowhere near worth what we paid for him, or his salary.

I can in many od our games this season under Roeder, with the patently awful defence he has insisted on keeping.

No, the money we 'wasted' wa son a left winger, who we needed a LOT less than we needed (and still need) central defenders.

I was concerned from day ONE. I had heard nothing concrete about this bloke, only things I had heard weren't good, and when it was said he was quick, what i HAD heard mentioned this not at all. My source was astonished we had paid what we had for a player who never amounted to much in Italy. Roeder strikes again.... I think you need a new source. Martins has been acknowledged for years as one of the quickest, if not the quickest, players in the world. Quickest in the world?? I don;t think i've EVER heard or seen that. But he must be the best at something, he signed for us!! And we're great!! Full of internationals like Babayaro, Moore, Dyer, Luque etc. Only the fastest/best come to us. You don't seem the type to really research new Newcastle players tbh. "research" bluelaugh.gif

I was concerned from day ONE. I had heard nothing concrete about this bloke, only things I had heard weren't good, and when it was said he was quick, what i HAD heard mentioned this not at all. My source was astonished we had paid what we had for a player who never amounted to much in Italy. Roeder strikes again.... I think you need a new source. Martins has been acknowledged for years as one of the quickest, if not the quickest, players in the world. Quickest in the world?? I don;t think i've EVER heard or seen that. But he must be the best at something, he signed for us!! And we're great!! Full of internationals like Babayaro, Moore, Dyer, Luque etc. Only the fastest/best come to us.

I'd be more pissed about signing him again than I am about Sibierski Andy Cole is better than Ameobi. Sibierski is just as bad as our lanky pile of donkey shite.

after we just signed Martins and Duff ffs, get a grip And Sibierski and Bernard. And been rebuffed for Lucas Neill. Lucas fucking Neill. We remain small time. Even more so if we go for Viduka again. is that the same lucas fucking neill that the 5 times european champs and current f.c cup olders were rebuffed for??? Yeah, they've never bought a pup, have they. I've never read anything remotely positive of yours. If he isn't good enough for you then who would you suggest we buy? You keep on saying we're an average team so who do you expect us to buy? Ferreira? Frankly, he's a good player and I'm sure people like Benitez and Roeder who know loads more about football than you seem to think so too. So Benitez hasn't bought any pups? SAF has bought soem bad 'uns. All managers have, it happens. Lucas Neill would have been one of them.

after we just signed Martins and Duff ffs, get a grip And Sibierski and Bernard. And been rebuffed for Lucas Neill. Lucas fucking Neill. We remain small time. Even more so if we go for Viduka again. is that the same lucas fucking neill that the 5 times european champs and current f.c cup olders were rebuffed for??? Yeah, they've never bought a pup, have they.

after we just signed Martins and Duff ffs, get a grip And Sibierski and Bernard. And been rebuffed for Lucas Neill. Lucas fucking Neill. We remain small time. Even more so if we go for Viduka again.

How many times do you think? I'll ask the questions, thank you. How many? And can that be compared to the number of seasons we've had since?

I've answered the question already about Man U and Arsenal, once is enough. In terms of league position since Freddy took over weve been below 4 teams, right, here's the 4. Year 1 Arsenal, Manchester U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds, Blackburn, Aston Villa, West Ham, Derby, Leicester, Coventry, Southampton. Year 2 Manchester, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, West Ham, Aston Villa, Liverpool, Derby, Middlesbrough, Leicester, Tottenham, Sheffield W. Year 3 Manchester, Arsenal, Leeds, Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Leicester, West Ham, Tottenham. Year 4 Manchester, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds, Ipswich, Chelsea, Sunderland, Aston Villa, Charlton, Southampton. Year 5 Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester U. Year 6 Manchester, Arsenal. Year 7 Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester U, Liverpool. Year 8 Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester U, Everton, Liverpool, Bolton, Middlesbrough, Manchester C, Tottenham, Aston Villa, Charlton, Birmingham, Fulham Year 9 Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur, Blackburn Rovers. Edit. It says a lot when we've been below shitty Villa and Doug Ellis 5 seasons out of 9. Only 4 teams have a higher average position, and qualifed for europe more than us. Fact. The fact that one club ie Southampton, finished above us twice in the last decade means absolutely sweet FA so far as I can see. Where are they now ? Do they have a shite board or a good board ? And remember - that they were above us for a LONG time when we had our own previous board .... Shitty Villa and Doug Ellis have been above us 5 times, the great Freddy has been above them and him 4 times. The shitty Arsenal and Man U as you call them have never finished below us while we've had Shepherd. Before Shepherd arrived only Man U finished above Newcastle, where are we now? Its slightly inconcruous, that, though. How many seasons was it only Man Utd above us?

Jeezus...now the "every Newcastle fans a bad supporter but me" prats are at it. If you're happy with this Roeder/Shepherd shambles, that doesn't make you or the other one good supporters, just gullible. :roll: Just because he supports Roeder doesn't make him a know it all or a arogent fan. In fact, it makes him the exact opposite.

If the right players weren't available and we bought no-one defensively, does that mean that Sibierski was the right player for midfield? Because i doubt that very much. Lets stop making excuses for him, Roeder biffed it up.

Yes, its Shepherds fault for employing the manager. But the manager must shoulder some of the blame for the mess as well. I think it is shared - the cockney and the fat man.

If anyone still thinks we are a big club, look at who we signed yesterday. Pathetic, from Roeder AND Shepherd. Still, we'll get our scarves in a bit. Then we can get behind the lads, be the extra man, and cheer us to a top 6 finish. bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif

We DID. It was mediocre.

Striker's goals tbh . strikers rarely get chances as easy as those, thats all i was saying So you intend to ignore all goals scored that are "easy"? absolutely not, Van Nistelrooy is one of my favourite players in the world to watch. all i'm saying is, his 4 goals cannot be taken seriously as an indication of his strike rate for the season. 2 goals were mishits, the other 2 were as a result of comincal defending. ie, predicated on unusual circumstances that he'll probably have to wait moths for I hope you treat Shola's (an inferior player to Zamora) goals in a similar manner, then. In the interests of fairness. ha! don't get me started on Shola mate Preaching to the converted?

Striker's goals tbh . strikers rarely get chances as easy as those, thats all i was saying So you intend to ignore all goals scored that are "easy"? absolutely not, Van Nistelrooy is one of my favourite players in the world to watch. all i'm saying is, his 4 goals cannot be taken seriously as an indication of his strike rate for the season. 2 goals were mishits, the other 2 were as a result of comincal defending. ie, predicated on unusual circumstances that he'll probably have to wait moths for I hope you treat Shola's (an inferior player to Zamora) goals in a similar manner, then. In the interests of fairness.