Northern Monkey

Give the guy a break, his posts have always had quality parts. These days they are also a lot shorter and much more to the point, intelligent and well written. Never seen you write s***. Oh dear. WHOOSH! A hell of a lot of the deadwood is out now. Just Dyer left Now we need 7+ players and in Barton we have made a good start. When did Babayaro, Carr, Ameobi and Duff leave??

Of course, we should have snapped up Klose, Henry and Ronaldinho instead of getting a proven target man/goalscorer for nowt. Yeah, he's proven himself to be just our level at times in the past.

Having a problem with your left hand? :lol: Damn these diddy keyboards, and my fat, fat fingers.

Oh great, Voduka is coming. Out future is secure, with this top class, ebergetic, never at all lazy striker, who we are lucky to snatch from the cluthes of the other bog clubs in the PL.

If Barton was signing for anyone else, it'll all be "he's a lunatic, a loose cannon, never settle in, waste of money". Being a NUFC fan is funny as fuck.

Emre was never realled played as a DM under Roeder, he just used to wander around like a clueless fucker.

No, its a much betteridea to get players who aren't upto it, and pay them too much. Lets not bother getting the RIGHT players, eh? That't be stupid. Meanwhile, out in the real world, the kind of talent that makes a difference at the top is rare enough that people are talking forty mill for fucking Berbatov. It'll take a while to build a decent team again. During the rebuilding phase I bet there will be a lot of coming and going. Beckham on a loan spell? I wouldn't have a big prob with it. Despite it paying 10 good players wages? Berbatov is a great player, better than our comparitor, so we ave fuck all room to comment on is worth, in fairness. Oh, and we aren't at the top. We are in the 3rd tier in the PL, well below our natural place in the second tier.

what, feel dirty, or agree? or both? Its all a bit Nietzschian for me. stop it,you're gonna screw your own thread Stop it, pervert.

No, its a much betteridea to get players who aren't upto it, and pay them too much. Lets not bother getting the RIGHT players, eh? That't be stupid.

what, feel dirty, or agree? or both? Its all a bit Nietzschian for me.

Fringe to what? You can't think he's a fringe first team player.

Hilarious. You can tell the England lot rarely watch us. He's still living off his reputation. Who is his coach, John Barnes??

To be fair, he's never scored more 20 in a season as far as I know. He's never even ("even" ) got 20. Was that a dig at my lack of the word "than" NM? No, it was my backing up your being (almost) right. He's never hit 20 goals (and probably never will, certainly not for us!). Ah, thats what I meant, didn't write it well. Owen tends to make up for it in other areas but even during his best and most consistent days at Liverpool he never surpassed or got 20 a season. Yes, thats what i was trying to help with. And i think his overall contribution is over valued, beyond scoring goals. He's a bit of a Dyer in the 'other parts of his game' stakes for me.

Personal Rule: 1. Debate only when there is a an objective, hitherto, debate is pointless and a waste of time 2. Debate not for the sake of debating (waste of time... more meaningful things to do, brain cells could be better put into other matters) I am amused by how people like to conjure up unnecessary debates in the forum and the manner of some of the debates are shallow, neither objective nor constructive. If you like to argue, debate for the sake of debating, spend your brain juice in more meaningful stuffs where there can be individual progression rather than waste your time, gaining nothing in return (well maybe they will gain the false sense of superiority? But that is just deluding themselves). Regards, Ericz. You don't get the concept of internet forums, do you? Your superiority complex is made a mockery by your postings.

To make more money. out of the idiots who buy a shirt just because NUFC release it.

Why not? Because we should be moving away from paying people more than they are worth. Shambles, £40k, Dire, £85k, Owen £102k, Beckham, £533k a week.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. See what you're getting at but I think we should be aiming for top 4 tbh. Agree with HTL, we should be looking for a RB who's good enough to compete in a top 4 side. Luke Young isn't the answer. Yes, he'd improve us but it would mean replacing him in 2 years time with someone better. Let's just sign the better player now. I know that sounds glib as fuck but the player we need is out there and I trust Allardyce to find him. We are currently so far from a top 4 side that its laughable. Apart from Given and Owen, not one other player os capable of playing at that level properly. Its a pipe dream to want top 4 players in every position. You have to be a big club to get that, and we are far from a big club. Young woudl greatly improve our squad, and give a genuine alternative to a rapidly ageing right winger at right back. If thats a bad thing, then you must hate the rest of our squad more than i do, because they aren't good enough for the top 4 either. Never said they were tbh. Just think that we should be scouring the globe for the bloke who's better than Young to take us back into the top 4. Not that long ago since we finished top 4 you know! I couldn't give a toss how long ago since we finished top 4 - twice out of the last 10 seasons, the last being 4 ago - you clearly can't think the rest of the squad are up to it. Like signing Duff last season, its the same thing - wrong priority. I'd rather take a RB good enough for the top 7 (which should be our short/medium term place) and get similar players in other positions, rather than pretend we can attract top top players. We have, in my opinion, 7 or 8 players who can comfortably play at that level. Lets get the rest in, and build from there. This is a better summary than yours http://nufc.com/2006-07html/premiership-stats.html erm, why is a link a better summary (ignoring the fact that a link is by no means a summary in the first place) than a concise, 7 word summary?? I just meant that going 13/14 years back gives you 8 top 7 finishes rather than 2 top 4 finishes in the last 10. Its just a case of perspecive tbh. But we were talking about top 4 finishes. Not top 7. I know and its the right benchmark too. I just think that top 7 is about right for the 7th most successful club in English football. Which would be really relevant, if it had any relevance to the debate. Which it doesn't. Still waiting to hear how your non-summarising link provides a better summary than my summarising 7 words. Its relevant if you think that judging the club by top 4 finishes is more relevant than judging it by top 7 finishes. Its a question of perspective. I agree i've changed the debate slightly but i thought it was justifiable. I said that top 4 was the right benchmark so my view isnt as different to yours as you might imagine. Aye, right.

The Sun and the Star? notw and people i think oh, if you'd said THAT before...... what did you expect with a thread title heading of "sunday papers",did you think it was going to be true actual goings on,100% solid fact,or the back page rumours ? I expect an absolute load of jizz, that some cretins on here will believe. I don't think you let me down on the first point. very freudian Don't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you. There was f*** all freudian about my post. Unless, by "freudian", you mean "not in any way freudian, unless you're stupid enough to relate any kind if vaguely-sexual lin to Freud, which would be imbecilic in the extreme". me thinx he doth protetht too muth ouch. You really are desperate now, aren't you. Bless. yes i am very desperate,0130and i'm replying to you I would give you a "touche", but that didn't warrant one. freudian again ? Graphic Approach is lying in the road outside. There's a stick. Get to work.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. See what you're getting at but I think we should be aiming for top 4 tbh. Agree with HTL, we should be looking for a RB who's good enough to compete in a top 4 side. Luke Young isn't the answer. Yes, he'd improve us but it would mean replacing him in 2 years time with someone better. Let's just sign the better player now. I know that sounds glib as fuck but the player we need is out there and I trust Allardyce to find him. We are currently so far from a top 4 side that its laughable. Apart from Given and Owen, not one other player os capable of playing at that level properly. Its a pipe dream to want top 4 players in every position. You have to be a big club to get that, and we are far from a big club. Young woudl greatly improve our squad, and give a genuine alternative to a rapidly ageing right winger at right back. If thats a bad thing, then you must hate the rest of our squad more than i do, because they aren't good enough for the top 4 either. Never said they were tbh. Just think that we should be scouring the globe for the bloke who's better than Young to take us back into the top 4. Not that long ago since we finished top 4 you know! I couldn't give a toss how long ago since we finished top 4 - twice out of the last 10 seasons, the last being 4 ago - you clearly can't think the rest of the squad are up to it. Like signing Duff last season, its the same thing - wrong priority. I'd rather take a RB good enough for the top 7 (which should be our short/medium term place) and get similar players in other positions, rather than pretend we can attract top top players. We have, in my opinion, 7 or 8 players who can comfortably play at that level. Lets get the rest in, and build from there. This is a better summary than yours http://nufc.com/2006-07html/premiership-stats.html erm, why is a link a better summary (ignoring the fact that a link is by no means a summary in the first place) than a concise, 7 word summary?? I just meant that going 13/14 years back gives you 8 top 7 finishes rather than 2 top 4 finishes in the last 10. Its just a case of perspecive tbh. But we were talking about top 4 finishes. Not top 7. I know and its the right benchmark too. I just think that top 7 is about right for the 7th most successful club in English football. Which would be really relevant, if it had any relevance to the debate. Which it doesn't. Still waiting to hear how your non-summarising link provides a better summary than my summarising 7 words.

The Sun and the Star? notw and people i think oh, if you'd said THAT before...... what did you expect with a thread title heading of "sunday papers",did you think it was going to be true actual goings on,100% solid fact,or the back page rumours ? I expect an absolute load of jizz, that some cretins on here will believe. I don't think you let me down on the first point. very freudian Don't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you. There was f*** all freudian about my post. Unless, by "freudian", you mean "not in any way freudian, unless you're stupid enough to relate any kind if vaguely-sexual lin to Freud, which would be imbecilic in the extreme". me thinx he doth protetht too muth ouch. You really are desperate now, aren't you. Bless. yes i am very desperate,0130and i'm replying to you I would give you a "touche", but that didn't warrant one.

don't quite understand the rules do you ? Something this shit doesn't deserve rules. tbh.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. See what you're getting at but I think we should be aiming for top 4 tbh. Agree with HTL, we should be looking for a RB who's good enough to compete in a top 4 side. Luke Young isn't the answer. Yes, he'd improve us but it would mean replacing him in 2 years time with someone better. Let's just sign the better player now. I know that sounds glib as fuck but the player we need is out there and I trust Allardyce to find him. We are currently so far from a top 4 side that its laughable. Apart from Given and Owen, not one other player os capable of playing at that level properly. Its a pipe dream to want top 4 players in every position. You have to be a big club to get that, and we are far from a big club. Young woudl greatly improve our squad, and give a genuine alternative to a rapidly ageing right winger at right back. If thats a bad thing, then you must hate the rest of our squad more than i do, because they aren't good enough for the top 4 either. Never said they were tbh. Just think that we should be scouring the globe for the bloke who's better than Young to take us back into the top 4. Not that long ago since we finished top 4 you know! I couldn't give a toss how long ago since we finished top 4 - twice out of the last 10 seasons, the last being 4 ago - you clearly can't think the rest of the squad are up to it. Like signing Duff last season, its the same thing - wrong priority. I'd rather take a RB good enough for the top 7 (which should be our short/medium term place) and get similar players in other positions, rather than pretend we can attract top top players. We have, in my opinion, 7 or 8 players who can comfortably play at that level. Lets get the rest in, and build from there. This is a better summary than yours http://nufc.com/2006-07html/premiership-stats.html erm, why is a link a better summary (ignoring the fact that a link is by no means a summary in the first place) than a concise, 7 word summary?? I just meant that going 13/14 years back gives you 8 top 7 finishes rather than 2 top 4 finishes in the last 10. Its just a case of perspecive tbh. But we were talking about top 4 finishes. Not top 7.

The Sun and the Star? notw and people i think oh, if you'd said THAT before...... what did you expect with a thread title heading of "sunday papers",did you think it was going to be true actual goings on,100% solid fact,or the back page rumours ? I expect an absolute load of jizz, that some cretins on here will believe. I don't think you let me down on the first point. very freudian Don't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you. There was f*** all freudian about my post. Unless, by "freudian", you mean "not in any way freudian, unless you're stupid enough to relate any kind if vaguely-sexual lin to Freud, which would be imbecilic in the extreme". me thinx he doth protetht too muth ouch. You really are desperate now, aren't you. Bless.

The Sun and the Star? notw and people i think oh, if you'd said THAT before...... what did you expect with a thread title heading of "sunday papers",did you think it was going to be true actual goings on,100% solid fact,or the back page rumours ? I expect an absolute load of jizz, that some cretins on here will believe. I don't think you let me down on the first point. very freudian Don't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you. There was fuck all freudian about my post. Unless, by "freudian", you mean "not in any way freudian, unless you're stupid enough to relate any kind if vaguely-sexual lin to Freud, which would be imbecilic in the extreme". You were expecting a load of jizz. I think madras imagined you with your mouth open. Then what i wrote wasn't in any way Freudian, he just has some issues that he needs to sort out.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. See what you're getting at but I think we should be aiming for top 4 tbh. Agree with HTL, we should be looking for a RB who's good enough to compete in a top 4 side. Luke Young isn't the answer. Yes, he'd improve us but it would mean replacing him in 2 years time with someone better. Let's just sign the better player now. I know that sounds glib as fuck but the player we need is out there and I trust Allardyce to find him. We are currently so far from a top 4 side that its laughable. Apart from Given and Owen, not one other player os capable of playing at that level properly. Its a pipe dream to want top 4 players in every position. You have to be a big club to get that, and we are far from a big club. Young woudl greatly improve our squad, and give a genuine alternative to a rapidly ageing right winger at right back. If thats a bad thing, then you must hate the rest of our squad more than i do, because they aren't good enough for the top 4 either. Never said they were tbh. Just think that we should be scouring the globe for the bloke who's better than Young to take us back into the top 4. Not that long ago since we finished top 4 you know! I couldn't give a toss how long ago since we finished top 4 - twice out of the last 10 seasons, the last being 4 ago - you clearly can't think the rest of the squad are up to it. Like signing Duff last season, its the same thing - wrong priority. I'd rather take a RB good enough for the top 7 (which should be our short/medium term place) and get similar players in other positions, rather than pretend we can attract top top players. We have, in my opinion, 7 or 8 players who can comfortably play at that level. Lets get the rest in, and build from there. This is a better summary than yours http://nufc.com/2006-07html/premiership-stats.html erm, why is a link a better summary (ignoring the fact that a link is by no means a summary in the first place) than a concise, 7 word summary??