macphisto

All for it, the more unrest the better as far as I'm concerned. What is happening to our club is scandalous.

Sounds like his passport has expired if he needs to go to the Ivory Coast embassy. He'd need to go to a British embassy if it was related to his visa.

Just been reading some of the stuff on the “Pardew on Total Sport” thread and can’t helping thinking that my original post of a few years back is even more relevant now than ever. Some of you have got to be working for the club, the reasoning on that thread is just baffling. There’s always the Teenage angst angle too I suppose. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60160.0.html Probably is a few on the Pardew Total Sport Thread who genuinely believe what they are saying and I can only be charitable and put that down to their love of the club blinding them to the obvious. Just sad that people are still being hood winked by the club and some people on here. I also find it scary that my original post in February 2009 is just as relevant today as it was back then. Like my original post I wouldn’t give credit to some of the arguments being expressed in the Pardew Total Sport thread by replying as they really don’t merit a response. Similar to Holocaust Deniers in many respects in that I wouldn’t argue with them either due to their argument not being worthy of a reply. PS. Admins I’m not trying to circumvent the locking of the original thread

Well that's me finished with the club/football from now on, I could go into a load of reasons why I feel like this but I basically just can't be bothered with it anymore. Not a knee jerk reaction either as I've felt like this for a long time, today is just the final straw. When I come on here I'll just be checking out the chat section from now on.

I think Bowyer would be a better example

OK appointment in my opinion, I'm not too sure what he brought to the club under Sir Bobby. I'm fairly sure that a few fans asking that question when he was under Sir Bobby.

Hi All, I was wondering if someone could doctor the Alan Partridge/Alan Pardew car photo doing the rounds? I remember in the actual Alan Partridge series that he repainted the car so "cock" was made into "cook". Bit of a depressing day and I need a work friendly version of this photo to put on my work desktop as it would make me laugh. Not just trying to create a new topic for the sake of it, just thought this might get overlooked in the other threads. Thanks for helping out if anyone comes up with something, I'd do it myself but I wouldn't have a clue where to start!

Should include Charlton fans in this too, I work with a few of them and they think he's hopeless!

I go along with this, I just don't think he had it in him to be a top manager. The home results this season have been dreadful, something you can't get away from. I'd also add that no top manager would allow themselves to have been treated as Hughton has by Ashley. You need a bit of arrogance/self confidence to be at the top of any sport and Hughton just didn’t have that for me.

Going off the list by Ikri a few posts aboove, I wouldn't be adverse to Hoddle as I think he could put in some good foundations. Quite impressed by what he did at Chelsea and with England (away to Italy in the WC qualifiers is one of the best displays I've seen by England). My preference would be to go abroad, more of a risk to go abroad but worth the risk.

His sons support Newcastle!

We're not a club that would challenge at the top end of the league. We've done it twice in recent times.

In the grand scheme of things I'm not too bothered as he was never a top manager who would have us challenging at the top end of the league. Yeah he might be a nice fella who would have kept us up but I want more than that and I don't think he was the person to do it. Newcastle is too big a club to learn on the job which is what I often heard on here, there was a lot of “he should learn from his mistakes”, etc. There’s a whole lot of other clubs out there more suited to learning the art of management. Call me deluded if you want but it’s how I feel. Main reason I’m not too bothered is that I've been apathetic about Newcastle for a long time now as nothing will change whilst Ashley is in charge, simple as that really.

I think SWP and Keane would be terrible signings, both are clearly on the way down. Would be a similar to when we signed people like Duff, Geremi, Smith, Butt etc. I'd much prefer us to take a gamble on someone from overseas.

Linked to this, I once thought it would be a good idea to produce a national football newspaper based on regional papers. Basically it would have the football sections from the Evening Chronicle and other papers like the Evening Standard, Liverpool Echo, Manchester Evening News, etc. All these papers publish in the evening and the football part could be collated and printed the following morning.

I always find it interesting that a lot of people rate Beardsley as the best ever Newcastle player and yet never mention him when referring to Dalglish's time as manager. I would say Beardsley getting too old had more to do with the club going downhill than anything else.

I'd love a trophy signing like Ferdinand or Shearer, why do we only remember the bad ones on this board?

I wasn't referring to Calderwood leaving, I was thinking more along the lines that actions speak louder than words. Allowing Hughton to appoint a new number 2 would demonstrate their backing more than a statement. There may already be someone lined up & hopefully they are in place soon.

I'm on record as someone who wouldn't have Hughton as manager but if the club think he is their then they should allow him to get an assistant ASAP to demonstrate their support.

The players can be as determined as they like, but if they can't win home games they are not good enough - determination is great but without the necessary skills it is useless. Cream always rises to the top.... Yeah, but that would be a criticism of the players... Hughton can only work the players he has. And it seems he is relatively good at getting better ones. Serious question, who do we think we could get in who'd be an improvement at the moment? Also, maybe more importantly, who do we think we WOULD get in bearing in mind Llambias and Ashley manage us? All things considered, I think I'm inclined to stick... Think there's something to be said for junkhead's attitude. Not saying this is definitely the case, only that it's possible, but it might even be best that we stick with Hughton if we get relegated - if he can/we let him retain his authority, keep running the club the way he wants to etc. with a view to ultimately being better off, as I think he could get us promoted again if we did go down yet again, while still improving things behind the scenes even though things are bad on the pitch. Again, the reason I say this is that I'm scared of who else might come in after him bearing in mind who'd get to decide - things could end up being a lot worse. On a semi-related note, I think too many young, potentially decent managers are booted so soon as a relegation takes place. Stupid the way someone can unexpectedly get a club promoted twice in two seasons and then as soon as they go down from the Premiership they become s***. It's not as though the club's often end up returning thanks to such a decision, after all... Not on the wind up but how do you know things are improving behind the scenes? Any of our Premier League teams before we got relegated would have walked the Championship last year and it would have looked like they too had great team spirit and everything was great behind the scenes. Is it not just the case that we have a lot of very average players who know they'll never be any where better than Newcastle, indeed they probably count their lucky stars that they are playing for the club. Also a sign of how far our standards have dropped that their is not discontent in the camp after two miserable home defeats.

We are never going to agree but just a few points, I would say now more than ever is the time you want an experienced manager. You can take a chance with either a proven manager/poor team or unproven manager/good team but not an unproven manager/poor team. Again you list Championship teams who have potential but none of them are in our league, nowhere near apart from Leeds. I honestly think Newcastle fans are really suffering some sort of identity crisis, there’s an aversion to thinking big. All you hear on here is “no more trophy signings” with people like Boumsong and Luque in mind completely forgetting “trophy signings” like Ferdinand and Shearer. Also hear stuff like where have proven managers got us? We haven’t really had that many, the only one with a good track record was Robson and his record speaks for itself. Every other proven manager had a long record of being s***, Dalglish being the exception. Finally this thing about living up to the Sky Sports/media stereotype, well I couldn’t give a toss about them. All I know is that there is a lot of money coming into our club, we have a lot of full paying fans and for that alone we should be doing a lot better than we are. Black and white. I don't fall for all this stuff about the club having no money. Final point is that I don’t think we are that far off the top boys as I think this is the poorest the PL has been since its inception. We’re a long way off top 4 but to get to around 7th would not be too difficult with a good manager and a bit of backing. Indeed my only hope of us staying up is that the league is not that strong. Someone said Hughes hasn’t proven anything but he does have experience of the top flight and did an alright job at Blackburn. Nothing spectacular but a steady job. If not Hughes there are other managers, I can’t imagine many on here choosing Hughton last summer after Shearer did not get the job. Everyone would have opted for other managers, managers that are still out there.

See my post above about the nature of the criticism on this thread about Hughton, I posted at 7:42pm. Do you really want to talk about the merits of our squad with regards to Hughton doing a good job? I don't know the exact figure but I would bet we had by far the most expensive squad to have ever been in the Championship, a squad with 2 current Argentinean internationals, three experienced central midfielders, £4 million-ish left back, England under 21 centre half, Ameobi/Lovenkrands who have a lot of experience of top level football/European football. I don’t think it was fantastic to win the Championship with our team, the Championship is a poor league. If Hughton did a fantastic job, how would describe what Holloway did at Blackpool? Attendance has got everything to do with it, it shows how much money is coming into the club, it shows how much potential is there if we have a good manager who knows how to build a team without the owner putting money in. It is also an attractive to a potential manager. You quote Derby who may be get 5-10,000 more fans than some premier league teams, we get more 25,000 more than some teams in the league, that what makes us a lot different. With regards to who I would propose, again see my post at 7:42pm. Not fantastic managers but managers who are realistic and could build a platform at Newcastle for some later to take on. All proven managers. The reason that the last part is relevant is that football is central to lot of people’s lives in Newcastle and as such the most important person at the club, i.e. the manager, should be someone who has managed at the top level, someone who has a proven track record. The club is far too important to too many people to have Hughton in charge.

Carroll surely is? He's only going to get better as well. Who should you have in charge instead? Of course people question the manager's tactics. That's what fans do and go to Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Accrington and Sunderland forums and you'll see it is exactly the same. With this game, where I and seemingly everyone else thought Hughton got it wrong, it is up to him to respond, and respond swiftly. Also, home results this season would indicate you've had 2 poor results, not that you "haven't improved at all". Would the team from 2 years ago have come to Goodison and outplay a top 6 aiming team for large parts, for example? 2 quotes from a page or two back: "Like someone said, his loyalty to Nolan could cost us and him badly." "we are going to lose matches....and Hughton will eventually lose his job" Both inferring that Hughton could lose his job soon and there are others I could quote. I don't disagree with those sentiments but it's crazy that people are even writing these things so soon into the season. I haven't checked but I'm sure other fans are not writing this type of stuff. This is because of the simple fact that Hughton did not "earn the right" to manage NUFC at the top level, no one knows what he's going to be like in the top flight but so far it has not been good. To think that this team would have really been up for it after Blackpool and we still got beat of Stoke. If the team from two seasons ago performed like they did at Old Trafford on the opening day then yes I would be confident of beating Everton this season as they will not be top 6, more mid table. With regards to managers available, since the summer we could have got Mark Hughes and Houllier if we showed a little ambition, both miles ahead of Hughton.

Doubt there's a club in England where that's not happening tbh. Nature of the beast. The rest of your post is a load of nonsense, he got us promoted with 100+ points. Stuff about "club of our size" is just arrogance based on nothing. He earned the job unlike a lot of Premier League managers who get given them as soon as they've hung their boots up because of what their name is or who they played for. Fans of other clubs are not questioning their manager like people are in this thread. I'm also sick of all this earnt the job rubbish, are we the only club in England where people earn a job? It was the same with Roeder, there's nothing in Hughton's background to suggest he's suited to managing a club like Newcastle. For once can we not appoint a manager with a proven track record? Getting promotion means nothing to me, not with the squad he had. That's not with the benefit of hingsight either as I just didn't rate the Championship. Look at the managers who have got other clubs promoted last season and in the past, not many I rate. Maybe I am arrogant but I do believe a club with the 3rd highest attendance should have a manager better than Hughton, that's what I base my opinion on. Bit of an aside but a few weeks ago there was a programme about Newcastle on BBC 4, which looked at the city over the last 100 years and you could see on there how central football is to the city unlike a lot of other places. I've moved away from the Newcastle and that programme reinforced a lot of what I've felt for a long time, it really is a special place to play, manage and that we are abig club.

Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago. Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.