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and with a worse goal difference, so basically 9 points.

I'd take their hands off for £18m

Watched a fair bit of PL so far this season, and once again its full of garbage. 5 or 6 utterly piss poor teams. I'd therefore say we should be looking at no worse than 14th, and would fancy our chances of a top-10 finish.

They should have flogged Kone in the summer, they'll be lucky to get half that amount the way he's played this season. Harsh scoreline? Harsh on Arsenal maybes

4-1

Think Bournemouth will beat them, and they will beat Hull. Still, its likely to be 8 points inside by Monday night, with a terrible goal difference. Can't see them getting more than 4, maximum 6, points before new year. Surely they are fucked. Don't beat Hull, and its almost over.

Liverpool vs Leeds Man Utd vs West Ham Hull vs Newcastle Arsenal vs Southampton Liverpool, NUFC, Manure, Arsenal

whats the full draw?

excellent draw

Was a pen like. Moyes looked like he knows he's out of a job in the morning.

Home tie, hopefully against Leeds or Hull, after that, Southampton, West Ham, Arsenal, Manure or Liverpool (in that order of preference) We'll get Liverpool, Arsenal or Manure away like.

Do you think Swansea, Hull and Boro will get that far ahead of them? It only needs one of them to get that far ahead and they're in the shit, it's already looking like a return of 1.4 ppg to reach the magical 40 mark by the end of the season that's nearly 54pts over a full season and an 8-10th finishing position. Good luck with that! Of course I hope you're right, just that I don't see any of those 3 getting any more than 6 or 7 points ahead, and the scum will always be in with a chance at that amount. Whats the lowest amount of points a team has stayed up with?

Do you think Swansea, Hull and Boro will get that far ahead of them?

26 in the last 3 seasons 35 in the last 4 before this season. Quite a decent chance at the end of this season, we'll have won more than the mackems have in the last 4 seasons (inc this one) then

How many games have the mackems won in the last 3, or 4 seasons? Wonder if we can beat that this 1 season?

Coutinho - a good Ben Arfa

This. Hull, Boro and Swansea are as bad as the mackems. I wont consider them down until they are 12 points inside.

Their next two games, I cant see them getting any more than 1 point from, hopefully 0 points. They could well be fucked before the December fixture pile-up even begins

Absolutely hope all of Moyes crack about how the he's been meeting with the fans and they know its a long term job and they understand it will take time, is all 100% and they stick with him. He is definitely the man to take them down, fucking awful.

They hate him, it would be amazing tho! Didn't Short call him a twat or something? propa legend marra

I fancy the Hammers to come good today, 3-1.

Cant see him getting any more than a 2 or 3 starts, seeing as Mitro cant even get a look in.

I fancy Boro to get a win tomorrow. Another relegation 6 pointer for the mackems next Sat (W Ham away) then its exactly the type of game they some how win - Arsenal at the SOS.

Hope to fuck they persist with Moyes, he genuinely looks like the man to take them down.

Good team. Guessing Ritchie on bench after playing for haggis eaters