OzzieMandias

I look at all the broadsheets, and there haven't been stories since the last ones posted on here. Cheers. Seems strange how Harris suddenly came out and had loads to say, then has gone quiet again. Wonder if this means something is happening, or if nothing is happening. I 'spose. Bit bored with speculating on the basis of more or less nothing, though.

I look at all the broadsheets, and there haven't been any new stories since the last ones posted on here.

You don't even understand what the word means.

Of course it's too early to judge the guy yet, but he's beginning to look like he may have been a good choice for the job at hand. Let's face it, though most of us rightly applauded his tirade at the press, we started out with as jaundiced a view of Kinnear as they did.

as has been said, look at the overall spend and look at the fact that they didn't even allow their own manager the money to replace him, in fact they replaced him with a player he didn't even want for half the money. Now, THAT my friend, is straight back to the days of McKeag, Westwood etc.....right back to it. Take my word for it. No wonder Keegan walked out. Just catching up on the last 4 or 5 pages of this, how does that answer the question that was asked? It's not like players weren't moved/bought against the wishes of previous managers under ShepHall... allegedly. sorry if I changed the entire thread all on my own without anybody else jumping in It's not like you to worry about sidetracking a thread. Funny how it happens when someone raises that difficult to answer subject of Shepherd interfering in transfers though. Absolutely no criticism of Shepherd must pass by unchallenged. That seems to be the NE5 Code. Not even the tiniest thing. You could say our former chairman had a poor taste in ties and he'd be on here like a flash, demanding to know if the ties of Doug Ellis, Ken Bates or Peter Risdale were really any better, pointing out that some clubs are so small their chairmen can't even afford ties, complaining that you never see Ashley wearing a tie, and asserting that anyone who thinks about ties must not agree that our glorious achievements in the Intertoto are the envy of bare-necked football fans throughout the land.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. Gone by Chrissy mas? Bufoon. FACT. In all honesty who hasn't won trophies in Spain? Aye, and there are any number of clueless buffoons who've won two consecutive UEFA Cups. so what do you think of someone who won 4 titles with 2 different clubs, and 3 manager of the year awards ? Lots of clueless buffoons about. Case closed. We should be so lucky.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. Gone by Chrissy mas? Bufoon. FACT. In all honesty who hasn't won trophies in Spain? Aye, and there are any number of clueless buffoons who've won two consecutive UEFA Cups. so what do you think of someone who won 4 titles with 2 different clubs, and 3 manager of the year awards ? Lots of clueless buffoons about.

Hmm. Same prob coming back here this time. Maybe it's just some weird glitch in my system. I'll reboot later and see if it goes away.

Cruel.

OK, it worked when I came back to this thread, though it didn't the last time, nor when I looked at a thread in between. Let me try it again...

Since this change, my browser no longer goes directly to the most recent post when I click on the "new" tag next to a thread. Instead it now goes to the top of the most recent page -- meaning new scrolling to replace the old scrolling.

We'd end up with about 50 threads of that title. Hell, every time NE5 came back from the pub there'd be about five new ones.

Pah! Hindsight!

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. Gone by Chrissy mas? Bufoon. FACT. In all honesty who hasn't won trophies in Spain? Aye, and there are any number of clueless buffoons who've won two consecutive UEFA Cups. Tbf I like the way he stands..Arms folded, looking all serious. I think he looks cross rather than serious.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. Gone by Chrissy mas? Bufoon. FACT. In all honesty who hasn't won trophies in Spain? Aye, and there are any number of clueless buffoons who've won two consecutive UEFA Cups.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with s***. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. Simplistic comparison drawn by somebody who still holds a grudge because another 'somebody' walked away during a time when many of the so-called Sky Generationers jumped aboard during the mid-90's bandwagon. As for the comparison, which imo was one of your usual sly and pinheaded digs at Keegan. Ramos' Spanish CV, in addition to his solitary English Lge Cup, counts for nothing until he *guides Spurs to consecutive/or better top 3/top tier finishes - one of which KK led us to within one afternoon of a title - and revitalises the Londoners fortunes to the extent Keegan did in his 1st stint here. *That's called sustained progress, as opposed to being a managerial flash in the pan based on period of a season or thereabouts. It's a shame that you clueless buffoons can't stick up for each other.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. bottom of the premiership. The past counts for nothing, according to some, including you when you apply your usual hindsight. Are you saying he was better qualified than Dalglish ? I'm saying he's not a complete buffoon. I'm sorry if this point is too difficult for you. well, are you or are you not saying Ramos is a good candidate for the NUFC job ? If you are, on what basis ? If the basis is his past record, is it or is it not better than that of Dalglish ? If you think that because someone has won a trophy, it makes them a better candidate than Keegan, do you therefore think that the likes of Joe Royle, Maurice Evans, Bobby Gould, Steve McLaren and Brian Little were/are better managers than Keegan ? Take your time with this one. Hmm. I don't know how I can put this more clearly. I am saying that Ramos is not a complete buffoon. Nothing more, nothing less. Would it help if I typed more slowly for you?

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. bottom of the premiership. The past counts for nothing, according to some, including you when you apply your usual hindsight. Are you saying he was better qualified than Dalglish ? I'm saying he's not a complete buffoon. I'm sorry if this point is too difficult for you.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with shit. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies.

You don't buy into that surely do you? It reads to me that you're trying to convince yourself of this in order to convince yourself that the set-up/system/structure Ashley put in place is the right thing for the club and if that really is the case you've lost it mate. Seriously. that is the case with a lot of people. Keegan walked out in 1997 because he couldn't work under a new structure...a structure which you keep defending to the hilt non-stop under Shepherd which did bring a relative amount of success. you won't find a post by me defending the club going PLC Apology accepted. But you do defend Shepherd, and Keegan walked out first time not long after he took over as Chairman iirc, because of what was happening with the club. After a pretty average first few seasons, Shepherd started to get it right and we had a bit of success. Who's to say if Keegan hadn't stuck it out for a bit back then, that he couldn't have got us back to where we were when Hall was in sole charge? Same criteria applies for today. Who's idea was it to go PLC ? Who had the power to make such a decision ? I don't think it was Shepherd, but in the context of it being a board thing [which is what I've always said] then you would have to say they all did it, but such a decision isn't a footballing one so it was even more unlikely to be a minor shareholder all on his own. The wheels to go PLC were in motion before Shepherd became chairman, but I'm not arguing about the merits of whoever was chairman and I never have. One thing you need to be successful, more than anything else, is to back your manager, and this is why I've stuck with the old board, whoever the chairman is. Do you mean 'back the manager financially' , 'back the manager's judgement' or both? and when happens when the boards judgement is seen to be crap ? so how many clubs can appoint winning managers ? Surely a "big club" with big ambitions who are always competing to get the best players out there should have no problems appointing a competent manager at worst? you can go back decades naming big clubs who appointed managers that didn't win things, even when they acted big, which NUFC have done for only 15 years out of 44 years I've supported them. You can also go back decades and find clubs who have appoitned good managers and not backed them - sound familiar? How come ones accpetable yet the other isnt? Also noticed how you phrased is "managers that didnt win things" - how about appointing a competenet manager. Anyway i think we're digressing and i dont want to turn it into one of "those" threads. you can indeed. Joe Harvey, Gordon Lee and Arthur Cox would without a shadow of doubt done better at Newcastle with the Halls and Shepherd running the club than the people who were doing it at the time. Lee and Cox buggered off to clubs that would back him ie Everton, and Cox to Derby....then in the 3rd division but thats where he went, such was the depth of his justified anger and disappointment at his employers. This is the pattern you see through the game. Good managers move to clubs that back them, and leave ones that don't. I can name you examples stretching back decades, but shouldn't really have to mate. all 100% true and theres no denying it. but apppointing a poor manager,you're right lots of clubs have done it,but appointing another bad one as his successor shows poor judgement,to appoint a third off the spin is crap in the extreme and you would say it was the actions of a crap board if anywhere else. there is no doubt that Souness was a disastrous and poor choice, but Roeder had some merit - other clubs have promoted people from within - and Allardyce certainly had merit. The club had appointed - and attracted - trophy winners before, which is something they completely failed to do pre-1992. Whatever the ins and outs of all this - who is going to have a guess at how long it will take for this club to match the league positions and european qualifications achieved under the Halls and Shepherd ? And THAT is the 64 dollar question, and the only one that counts that we are interested in. Its what I've pointed out for ages, which was never acknowledged by other so called long term supporters who only bleated on about how "embarrassed" the poor little dears had been. roeder had some merit . did you want him appointed ? as for matching the league positions under the halls/shepherds.....does that mean finishing in the top half 4 times in 10 years ? just thought i'd bring this up as you try to make it sound like we were constant top 4 and in the champs lge every season. I can give you examples of how the other clubs that always make successful appointments have made similar if that helps ? Or will you reject it because it doesn't suit your opinion ?

Excuses for what ? What excuses are you making for Ashley ? And what excuses are you making for emailing london based journalists about the club, why don't you do it now, or do you think qualifying regularly for europe was worse than the current predicament ? For Fred. It was just making me laugh the way even the slighest implied criticism of Shepherd invariably provokes loads of the same old double-talk, spin and bullshit from you. The world won't end, you know, if someone expresses an adverse opinion of our former chairman and you let it pass without boring everyone to death with opinions and spin we've all heard a hundred times before.

Parenthetical note: "Schweinsteiger" means "pig-mounter".