OzzieMandias

It's a pretty crap list, really, isn't it?

Santayana:"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." So maybe if we just stop obsessing about what we saw 15 years ago and concentrate on the present and future, we might get something like those days back again.

Apologies to go back to this post, but only just updating myself on this thread. Aside from this being a rather patronising post (look at me, i'm a cynic, i know better than you,but one day you'll learn young padowan) can I ask who the people you fell in love with at Newcastle are, Bob? Not to touch a sensitive area, but i'm guessing you are older than a lot on here, but unless you're over 50 I doubt you have many memories of us winning anything more meaningful than the first (second) division under Keegan and even if over 50, to have allowed yourself to only fall in love with one Newcastle team / manager must be a pretty depressing state of affairs for a big football fan, i'd honestly question why you even bother. To further your analogy and make it slightly more specific as one of the comments on the discussed article did, I'd rather have fucked Cheryl Cole in the face a few times and have the photos to prove it, even if that meant getting dumped for Ashley fricking Cole and humiliated. As your analogy feels pretty much like one tired cliche, here's another - better to have loved and lost than never loved at all. If someone told me we could have one trophy but none of the Keegan years I know which I would choose. Do you think being a Portsmouth fan and having won an FA Cup against Cardiff would make you feel more excited about the game than watching our team in the 90s? I suppose I took the risk of being patronising, but I was irritated by what I felt was a silly article and the way lots of people were reacting to it. Loving and losing and not loving at all aren't the only options. That's the point. The winning mentality combines passion with the ability to think clearly, remain focused and remain strong when things are going against you. Another problem with falling in love is that you can lose sight of reality. That's what seems to happen with a lot of supporters of Keegan. An issue with our club is this tendency to indulge in hero-worship. At times, it feels like a substitute for success, or at least it acts like a block to it. Agree completely.

We don't need a sugar daddy but we do need some investment.

So that 20 years later you can trump any argument by pointing out how much you have suffered for your opinion. I think you are confusing me with NE5. I am happy, not suffering. You are aware he is answering your question arent you? My bad Not to worry.

Tony Blair's claim to be a Newcastle fan is about as genuine as everything else he utters. i.e.Total c--p.. He said he used to 'watch Jackie Milburn while sitting in the Popular side'...everyone knows there were NO SEATS there before the East Stand was built...he said this at a time when we were supposed to be every fans' 'Second Team' because he thought it might be worth a few votes in 97..Oh wait - so THAT'S why he got in..!! I think the problem was more that Blair was too young to have seen Jackie Milburn.

I heard Cardinal Hume on the radio once, talking about the club. It wasn''t that long before he died, mid-late 90s. He seemed up to speed with whatever was going on at the time. Unlike Blair, who's basically clueless.

I'm sure that when he was a player his mentality was one of the reasons why he achieved so much. It definitely was. But people change, or are changed. I think his confidence has taken a battering. He never seemed quite the same after the "just love it" outburst. Various other things have happened since. The sheer elemental belief that fuelled him – and us – in our early 90s charge for glory seems to be no more. What we see these days is a Kevin with doubts.

So that 20 years later you can trump any argument by pointing out how much you have suffered for your opinion.

Well, I'm happier if we're five points clear at the top of the Championship than I would be if we were five points off the bottom. Sue me.

Is this the "we'd rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0" thread?

Yeah, if we have to name a stand after someone, Joe Harvey would get my vote too.

And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. 8 games with that side & following that season is no basis to be making predictions about how good a managers going to be. A tough start to a managerial career is an understatement, he inherited a pile of crap low on confidence and probably wasnt experienced enough to be able to turn it around as quickly as needed. That in no way determines that he'd be a crap manager in the long run. Even then it took a piece of bad luck for us to get relegated. In no way determines that he'll be a good one either.

Doesn't prove he's any good, though.

I've been thinking exactly the same thing. If he gets us promoted he'll have "earned his chance" and then we'll have to waste another season waiting for him to fuck up in Prem.

There's something in that. If we have to have Shearer, better sooner rather than later. We've had Shearer as a manager. In case you didn't notice he was shyte And as you obviously didn't notice, I've already said I don't want him as manager. But if we HAVE to have him...

There's something in that. If we have to have Shearer, better sooner rather than later.

Leaving the choice up to the fans is an equally dangerous road. Since when has NUFC listened to it's fans, anyway? If the fans aren't an issue, why is his (supposed) ability to "unite all of the fans behind the club once more" the one thing you cite in his favour?

Right now, I want Shearer less than ever, though not because I think Hughton is the answer.

Leaving the choice up to the fans is an equally dangerous road.

Yeah, that's probably all it was.

So do we read anything into Ketsbaia being in the crowd at the match today?

It sounds like Portsmouth are well fucked. Can't say I'm crying.

Remember MA injecting 20m every year into NUFC every year? Yes, don't you? No, because 'injecting' money into the club to most people means putting it into a transfer kitty. Obviously forgetting that everything else costs money as well. Player wages, staff wages, promotional stuff, the upkeep of the stadium and academies etc. He hasn't spent on transfers except in that in paying off debt and keeping the club financially afloat he's effectively paid for Fat Fred's transfers.