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Owen, Cacapa, Viduka, Edgar, Lovenkrands and Gonzales, 1.2m plus per month. I think the club would have already budgeted without them anyway in the event of relegation given that they'd be gone. I think Ashley and Llambiarse have handed the keys to Hughton and pissed off down south to have a piss up in the garden. Im not happy with your use of Piss twice in the sentance, can I suggest "fucked off" as an alternative, got to keep the standards up. Good point. Just because the club is now second rate there's no need for us to follow suit with shoddy grammar. Anyone reading this consider the aforementioned "pissed off" to be replaced with "fucked off". Ashley if you are reading, this is what quick decisive action looks like btw.

He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan. True, but his mistakes were always monumentally bad, and apparent. Whereas Taylors/Colos etc arent always as instantly noticable in the way that say passing the ball directly to the opposition or making a ridiculous tackle is. He made a lot of good tackles which prevented goals as well. Well he's a defender that's his job. Being a defender isn't like being a striker. A few great plays don't shadow over monumental errors. A large part of being a great defender is composure, confidence, and being able to read the attack. Bramble always has the physical attributes, but he was definitely not a great defender while he was at Newcastle. We shouldn't fool ourselves. I don't think anyone is arguing he is a great defender.

He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan. True, but his mistakes were always monumentally bad, and apparent. Whereas Taylors/Colos etc arent always as instantly noticable in the way that say passing the ball directly to the opposition or making a ridiculous tackle is. He made a lot of good tackles which prevented goals as well.

He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan.

It's time to petrol bomb Thompson House.

Owen, Cacapa, Viduka, Edgar, Lovenkrands and Gonzales, 1.2m plus per month. I think the club would have already budgeted without them anyway in the event of relegation given that they'd be gone. I think Ashley and Llambiarse have handed the keys to Hughton and pissed off down south to have a piss up in the garden.

Sums it up really. He just needs to fuck off basically and it can't happen soon enough.

Yes we can (going a bit Bob on you there). End of the day who wants Barton or Smith at the club for any longer than is necessary? Getting rid of them would only boost the clubs profile to have such shite off the books and cash in the coffers. Would the new owners be happy to see Bassong or Beye flogged off though? There would be some knock on effect on the price of the club if they were I would think? Next line answers that. Yes it does - after your edit.

Yes we can (going a bit Bob on you there). End of the day who wants Barton or Smith at the club for any longer than is necessary? Getting rid of them would only boost the clubs profile to have such shite off the books and cash in the coffers. Would the new owners be happy to see Bassong or Beye flogged off though? There would be some knock on effect on the price of the club if they were I would think?

If Mike Ashley wasn't such a fat panicking beach ball he'd realise that he's better off keeping the players and going for promotion next season as the only players we will lose are the half decent ones on low wages. The damage has already been done, there's no point in making it worse by having a fire sale.

Nolan is only ever going to be effective in a long ball side where the midfield doesn't need to do much passing. He would probably do ok at Stoke or Blackburn under Fat Sam. If we are going to play passing football players like Nolan are a waste of space, their are plenty of players of similar ability in the Championship who are much fitter and have more pace.

The worst of it is that most of us had got over the heartbreak of relegation and were looking forward to a determined promotion push under Shearer, but even that is being denied us. The only way forward left is a buy out of the club but do I feel confident that Ashley will be able to strike a deal? No. We have been down this road before and making deals isn't his strong point. Failed January signings, failure to sell the club in the past and even failing to strike a deal with Keegan when given a second chance all point to this going tits up as well. Ashley is on the run and his team have all bolted south which is probably the safest place for them at the moment.

Funnily enough I just cancelled my subscription earlier on this afternoon. I'm going to choose to believe that it was my withdrawal of support that took them over the edge.

If he hasn't been offered a new contract, and with no manager at the club to reassure him of his future, why is it unreasonable for Bassong to be interested in a move to a premiership club? If the club want they can always insist he see out the last year of his contract but is that likely to happen? I doubt it. They will use the transfer fee to pay off the £10million in bonuses due to the other old codgers on our books. This is the reality of where we stand now, and it isn't Bassong's fault.

...and would you let them go because you think someone else as good will come along again? Your argument doesn't make sense. I already said I think he's being disloyal and should play out his contract but just because he's gonna be leaving doesn't mean we won't find another good player. Whats wrong with that? Are you suggesting Duff, Smith, Geremi, Colo, Barton, Ameobi and any other waste of space should stay as well? Or is loyalty only applicable to players the fans like? Bassong is in a different position to them. None of them were youngsters plucked from obscurity and given a good run in the first team were they? They're already established players man. The fact is he's still young it's not like he should automatically play in the Premiership just because of one good season is it? Bottom line is we won't keep him whether we want to or not because Ashley the fat c*** will sell him but I just don't like how he's one of the first players to come out and say that he wants to join a Premiership side, like he's bigger than our club or something. Also, I don't recall ANY of the players you mentioned besides Colo I think saying they want to leave, they all want to stay and help the club. Bassong is in demand because he's young, performing well and on low wages. How many players on our books fit that descripition? Are any of our old, under-performing high earners in demand? No...because they are s***. And if you think it will be easy to find another Bassong you obviously haven't seen many of our recent CB purchaes over the years. I never said anything about it being easy, I just said that we will, whenever that may be. Also our older players may be shit but the sad thing is they could still end up at Premiership clubs because of where they used to play. Seriously I don't understand how people can just shrug their shoulders at this kind of attitude from Bassong. Has he been offered a better contract yet?

...and would you let them go because you think someone else as good will come along again? Your argument doesn't make sense. I already said I think he's being disloyal and should play out his contract but just because he's gonna be leaving doesn't mean we won't find another good player. Whats wrong with that? Are you suggesting Duff, Smith, Geremi, Colo, Barton, Ameobi and any other waste of space should stay as well? Or is loyalty only applicable to players the fans like? Bassong is in a different position to them. None of them were youngsters plucked from obscurity and given a good run in the first team were they? They're already established players man. The fact is he's still young it's not like he should automatically play in the Premiership just because of one good season is it? Bottom line is we won't keep him whether we want to or not because Ashley the fat c*** will sell him but I just don't like how he's one of the first players to come out and say that he wants to join a Premiership side, like he's bigger than our club or something. Also, I don't recall ANY of the players you mentioned besides Colo I think saying they want to leave, they all want to stay and help the club. Bassong is in demand because he's young, performing well and on low wages. How many players on our books fit that descripition? Are any of our old, under-performing high earners in demand? No...because they are shit. And if you think it will be easy to find another Bassong you obviously haven't seen many of our recent CB purchaes over the years.

It was a massive gamble and it was no surprise when it backfired. Ashley has no one else to blame and now he's paying the price for it.

Yeah, as i understood it the groups were only given access to the data room once they'd proved they had the necessary funds. All 4 groups are studying the books so they must've met the financial criteria Yeah but if they don't have funds to push us on it'll be like buying an AT-AT but having no money left to buy storm troopers It may mean they have set aside a transfer budget already, but if our finances are in such a mess that all there money will be used on our debts, then they will pull out. Which is why Ashley should either lower his price or run the club properly and invest in the short term to win in the long run. But this has always been the case and the fat fool is more likely to keep counting the pennies and sink the club like a stone being the cretin that he is.

Well at least we've got rid of one of the biggest drains on our resources who is under-performing and on massive wages. Hail Ashley's brilliant re-structuring revolution!

Aye, I'd heard that they only just have the asking price and struggled to raise that. It think its the one fronted by Shep If that's true then they need to rethink their buyout. The club needs major surgery to rebuild a hugely unbalanced squad and that's going to require money, as is spending at least 1 season outside the Premiership. Without the additional TV revenue the club is going to be running at a pretty massive loss again this year unless they can renegotiate every contract at the club. Whoever buys the club is probably going to need to find about £50m this year to cover losses and fund transfers with the same amount being provided for squad strengthening whenever we return to the Premiership. In that case Ashley needs to set a price which will sell the club if he's serious about it. This is exactly the same as happened last time round, it's no good asking for £100m if no one is willing to pay it. Just take the best offer on the table and f*** off you fat c***. It's as simple as that. On the otherhand, as Dave pointed out, if people are struggling to come up with £100m to buy the club, how they going to be able to afford players, manage the debts, etc? By paying less for the club? The truth is if Ashley wants to sell the club he has to take whatever is on the table. He can't hang around refusing to release the club while sat sulking in London unless he just doesn't care if it goes to the wall. He won't though, he'll flock players to get the costs down and try and get the club to break even so it doesn't cost him a penny then he can just leave us to run itself. If a company can't afford £100 then selling for £50m means they only have that money to cover the costs of the club where we are currently losing money and then pay for new players. Once that money has gone they are broke. I wonder why he doesn't float the club that would bring in much needed funds and he have control taken away from him. Yes that sounds like the sort of short sighted penny pinching way of doing things which has seen us relegated and completely demoralised as a club. It wouldn't surprise me to see him watch Newcastle become a ghost of a club struggling in the lower reaches of the Championship while he sits in some London casino having a roll of the dice for some short term fun.

Aye, I'd heard that they only just have the asking price and struggled to raise that. It think its the one fronted by Shep If that's true then they need to rethink their buyout. The club needs major surgery to rebuild a hugely unbalanced squad and that's going to require money, as is spending at least 1 season outside the Premiership. Without the additional TV revenue the club is going to be running at a pretty massive loss again this year unless they can renegotiate every contract at the club. Whoever buys the club is probably going to need to find about £50m this year to cover losses and fund transfers with the same amount being provided for squad strengthening whenever we return to the Premiership. In that case Ashley needs to set a price which will sell the club if he's serious about it. This is exactly the same as happened last time round, it's no good asking for £100m if no one is willing to pay it. Just take the best offer on the table and f*** off you fat c***. It's as simple as that. On the otherhand, as Dave pointed out, if people are struggling to come up with £100m to buy the club, how they going to be able to afford players, manage the debts, etc? By paying less for the club? The truth is if Ashley wants to sell the club he has to take whatever is on the table. He can't hang around refusing to release the club while sat sulking in London unless he just doesn't care if it goes to the wall.

Aye, I'd heard that they only just have the asking price and struggled to raise that. It think its the one fronted by Shep If that's true then they need to rethink their buyout. The club needs major surgery to rebuild a hugely unbalanced squad and that's going to require money, as is spending at least 1 season outside the Premiership. Without the additional TV revenue the club is going to be running at a pretty massive loss again this year unless they can renegotiate every contract at the club. Whoever buys the club is probably going to need to find about £50m this year to cover losses and fund transfers with the same amount being provided for squad strengthening whenever we return to the Premiership. In that case Ashley needs to set a price which will sell the club if he's serious about it. This is exactly the same as happened last time round, it's no good asking for £100m if no one is willing to pay it. Just take the best offer on the table and fuck off you fat cunt. It's as simple as that.

I look on the Barton crackdown as a setting of standards, similar to time-keeping and dress code. These might not be seen as vital, and it doesn't make Shearer a great manager, but all the same it was long overdue. It may even turn out that Shearer is another Souness but until he's had a run at the job no one can really know either way. A more valid criticism of Shearer's appointment is that he lacks experience and know how. At the moment I'm inclined to look at his positive attributes like leadership, determination and ambition. I'll review that assessment after seeing how he does if he gets the job, but I don't think it's fair to judge him on the eight games he had with the current bunch of no-hopers in our squad.

:lol: Yep, Fergie is well known for his softly-softly approach. Classic - hook line and sinker, Fergie isnt known for suspending players full stop. Especially not in the run up to the title challenge. Think about it, the whole thing was melodramatic - you happen to be missing the point as well, its not the incident that makes him a potentially bad manager, its the thinking behind the decision to publically let everyone know theres grief and even the decision to publically announce that he'd been suspended. How many times have you seen Fergie, Wenger Rafa or Mourihno publically portray there absolute disgust at a player? It doesnt happen becasue they are professinall and know how to resolve the situation behind closed doors. Its a not a soflty softly approach Im after, its the approach which is the most professinal and the most benefical to the team. Can't you think of any better arguments to back up your doubts about Shearer? Barton is a headcase who should have been thrown out of the club long before Shearer came into the picture, you seem to be building up a lot of steam about a non-issue.

You might have a point but from the feedback we have had about Shearer is that off the pitch he has done some very good work and instilled much better standards. I still think given a chance next season and some reasonable backing he will do very well. I wonder how his salary demands would compare to Alan Curbishley's because that could be a big factor?