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Danny, make this a Battle for 4th thread.

Some have actually been very successful and this might rub off on the team spirit, too. It's not all bad for Arsenal but it's such a shame that their players have no loyalty, given everything that Wenger and the club have done for them.

The thing is, if these players believed in Wenger and believed in their team mates, they wouldn't be tempted to move right after their first season of success. What this tells me is that the Arsenal players don't really believe in each other nor do they truly believe in their manager. I suppose the proof of this is how they always crumble at the end of each season. It's a tell tale sign of lack of belief and them leaving is even more proof of them. Maybe this will be good for Arsenal. There are only a couple of players left from their last generation of 'young' players, Walcott is one. The rest are either really young or been bought. They'll have a chance to develop their own belief without being undermined by one or two players who believe they're better than the rest. Their first eleven now: polack, gibbs, vermaelen, kosc, sagna, arteta, song, cazorla, gervinho, giroud, podolski.. Something along those lines. Only Song is from the last generation. Every other player is essentially new and haven't had to endure years of failure.

So is the Song deal happening as well? What a shame for Arsenal. Their players have no fucking loyalty.

Did someone not post something like we've offered him low-ish wages with an agreement to review them after six months? This was a couple of days ago, by the way. That's probably where the hold up is now ie. Why he's said that terms have not been agreed. I would think that we'll have this sorted quite soon.

Dzeko still too slow.

So glad football is back.

Wonderful.

Nice.

Let's hope he does that against Senegal.

Obertan's first touch is actually very, very good. It's what he does with the ball afterwards that lets him down.

Yup. Unless we're getting close to 5m for him then he'll be useful as a squad player. You don't want to play Ben Arfa against shit teams in the Europa League.

Oh my god.

Filled the gap, which is always welcome. Yup. Preseason is almost here. Thank fuck.

Wow.

Busquets is such a cunt.

Yup. He's always had the talent and now he's maturing. A lot of credit to Mancini so far. Scary thing is he could get a lot better.

We done alright out of the Tiote deal. Buyout clause. Never heard about this. Pretty sure we just got him cheaply because he was a bench warmer for the most part and didn't fit into Twente's style.

Lost money on Spain yesterday. Blaming it on the fact that I forgot to post it in here, so here are today's bets: £40 France -0.5 Asian H First Half £40 France -1 Asian H

David, you have your biases, man. You rode Mourinho and Ronaldo to a lot of money in the season but I think those same biases have also cost you a lot of money in these Euros. I love seeing people on here win so don't take this as a criticism, it's just an observation.

Winner winner chicken dinner

Right, here we go: £40 France -0.75 Asian Handicap £60 France -0.25 Asian Handicap £7 4-2 £7 4-1 £6 4-0 Howay Benzema and co.

Exactly. If someone gives you a nice watch, you don't go and sell it for £100 if people are buying it for £1000, regardless of whether you got it for free or not. His value to us now is x. If someone bids > x, he'll go. That x has nothing to do with what we spent on him.

I have not placed a single bet so far this tournament. It's just been a clusterfuck right from the start so I decided to wait until it settles down before diving in. Will probably go in on the 3rd round of games. Hope everyone here has recovered from the brutal stretch at the start.

18m for Ben Arfa would be a bargain. He's our most special player. If we were going to accept a bid from him, it'd have to be 30m+. I don't think we'd sell at 18m.