LionOfGosforth

We might not need any more points at all. You mock but I'm pinning my hopes on this. Our best chance of stopping up Imo. I was serious, we might not. Burnley are the best team in the bottom three and they're on course for 33 points. Averaged out over the season they might be on course for 33. But teams at this time of year often need and do get on runs of form. If 2 or 3 do that, we might struggle to stay up genuinely. We don't look like we even have a goal in us, let alone a win. I think we stay up but it might only be by a couple of points. Average over the last five seasons is 36 points to stay up. We're already safe man. Let's hope 35 is enough this year, it's going to have to be. Apart from QPR and maybe Sunderland, the rest of the teams have more spirit, organisation and bollocks than we do.

We might not need any more points at all. You mock but I'm pinning my hopes on this. Our best chance of stopping up Imo. I was serious, we might not. Burnley are the best team in the bottom three and they're on course for 33 points. Averaged out over the season they might be on course for 33. But teams at this time of year often need and do get on runs of form. If 2 or 3 do that, we might struggle to stay up genuinely. We don't look like we even have a goal in us, let alone a win. I think we stay up but it might only be by a couple of points.

Top 15 club in England I think 15th-16th is likely. Think we're gonna be going into the Swansea home game desperate for a win and looking over our shoulders.

This is someone whose only job is to score goals and hasn't even come close to doing it once and yet you've seen worse? Not only does he not score, he has no technical ability, doesn't defend effectively from the front, doesn't defend at set pieces or bring others into play. All he does is run around, Christ any f***er off the street with a bit of fitness can do that man. He's rubbish, but off the top of my head Andersson, Georgiadis, Dalglish and Kuqi were worse. Scoring goals isn't a striker's only job and you know that, but obviously it's one of their main jobs. Still though, without that I still think the above were worse. People forget how bad Tomasson was after that miss in the opening game of the season. I desperately wanted Tomasson to be good and hindsight obviously shows that he was, but for us he was still very poor if we're purely going on goals. Those mentioned were all awful players but each managed goals at the very least and didn't cost us 6m quid either. I don't think it's 100% his fault, he's a poor player with limited all-round ability, now low on confidence and he has come to a new club in a new country with probably the most unprofessional setup in the entire division. Not many would thrive under that. Only Andersson out of those mentioned scored (4) in 27 and he cost £3m 17 years ago...Guivarch was £3.5 million 17 years ago too. It's an odd debate to have because obviously you'd want it to be something about our best strikers, but I don't think Riviere's the worst by a long shot. Both Georgiadis and Dalglish managed cup goals I think. Pedantic I know, they were fucking awful players. To say Riviere is not the worst by a "long shot", agree to disagree I suppose. He's clearly one of the worst we've ever had. No ability to control a football or football brain whatsoever. The striker's equivalent to Obertan basically. He can run quite quickly, that's about his only asset and that sole attribute barely cuts it in Sunday league.

This is someone whose only job is to score goals and hasn't even come close to doing it once and yet you've seen worse? Not only does he not score, he has no technical ability, doesn't defend effectively from the front, doesn't defend at set pieces or bring others into play. All he does is run around, Christ any f***er off the street with a bit of fitness can do that man. He's rubbish, but off the top of my head Andersson, Georgiadis, Dalglish and Kuqi were worse. Scoring goals isn't a striker's only job and you know that, but obviously it's one of their main jobs. Still though, without that I still think the above were worse. People forget how bad Tomasson was after that miss in the opening game of the season. I desperately wanted Tomasson to be good and hindsight obviously shows that he was, but for us he was still very poor if we're purely going on goals. Those mentioned were all awful players but each managed goals at the very least and didn't cost us 6m quid either. I don't think it's 100% his fault, he's a poor player with limited all-round ability, now low on confidence and he has come to a new club in a new country with probably the most unprofessional setup in the entire division. Not many would thrive under that.

This is someone whose only job is to score goals and hasn't even come close to doing it once and yet you've seen worse? Not only does he not score, he has no technical ability, doesn't defend effectively from the front, doesn't defend at set pieces or bring others into play. All he does is run around, Christ any fucker off the street with a bit of fitness can do that man.

He was Gerd Muller in comparison to Riviere man

I thought between Rob Mcdonald, Frank Pingel, Dave Mitchell, Andy Walker, Andreas Andersson and a few others, i'd seen the worst strikers at the club. Wasn't around for the glorious Bobby Shinton era, but even he managed 6 or 7 in that season people talk about. The only one who comes close to this donkey is Paul Moran who came on loan around 1990 or 1991, got pissed the night before his only game against Wolves and managed to miss from a yard out while colliding with the post.

I would say Andreas Anderson but he actually managed to score (somehow). Even Rob Mcdonald managed a goal, actually saw him score at Hillsborough. I thought he was the worst i'd seen, he made Ian Ormondroyd look like Ibrahimovich. This berk Riviere though...Jesus

A lot of people actually think we're definitely safe. If we had 3 or 4 points less, i'd be absolutely shitting it. We might stay up by a couple of points.

I didn't think it could get any worse than under Pardew. Charver is a miracle worker.

One of the worst starting lineups i've seen us put out in years. Cabella and Perez on the bench and Gouffran and Riviere starting ffs.

Our side has no leadership or bollocks, that's the difference. No doubt. Crap mentality (or no mentality at all) as well, beaten before they start every single time they play these top 6 teams.

I think apart from Navas, they all cost 20m plus as well. Fernando and Fernandinho are hopeless. Negredo cost loads and barely got a look-in. Let's not forget Mangala who I think cost something like 32m and then there's 28m Bony who they barely even play. 60m on Mangala and Bony. Bet their fans don't care but what a disgrace they are.

Christ, Man City are fucking useless when it comes to winning these types of games. Unless it's against us. Didn't Burnley get a draw at their place as well? Amazing how "lesser" teams can do it but we can't.

Nah we're alright - there's no way Burnley, Hull and the mackems are all getting more than 35 points. Oh I realise it's massively unlikely we'll get dragged into it due to the overall shitness of the league, probably got enough points to stay up without even needing another win. I think we're lucky there's half a dozen even worse than us (even that point is arguable). Surprised if we even get to 40 with the turd burglar we have running the show.

Not sure i'd be celebrating Burnley winning today like, we're only 10 pts above the c***s if they win and I don't know where our next goal is coming from let alone our next win.

Yeah John and i've also seen worse sides put in magnificent, tough, tactically-aware performances there and get draws or even wins. This was a defeat before we even kicked off and there was never a shred of doubt we'd get a hiding by anyone with half a brain.

John Cadaver. Fucking arsehole.

Exactly, even if we can get Ashley to sell (and I mean really sell not the fake platitudes of buying a 10 year box) then we need a buyer who has at least 300 million to spend on a football club. A much broader question is, is football just broken beyond repair? Has the money fucked the game to the point it can never be fixed. Someone on this forum a few years back posted this exceptional rant that I had to keep. It's as pertinent today as it was when posted in 2008: "Football is fucked, being ran by rich cunts who know jack shite about the game. I've had enough of Sky and Setanta and their "SUPER DUPER MEGA SUNDAY LOLZ" and "relegation clashes" after 2 games. Andy fuckin Gray and his never ending "tikaboos" and "Stevey Gs", over analysing every game to the point of depression, and trotting out the same fuckin clichés about "the big four" ad nauseum. The fucking England team struggling to turn over pub teams then picking the same eleven shite players for the next "mega international" against Kazakhstan. I'm sick of fat fuckin chairman running clubs however they feel like with no regards for the fans - charging what they like, charging away fans more than home, upping season ticket prices at a time when people are struggling to keep their house warm. I'm sick of foreign "investors" coming into British football, buying a club and spending more on one player within 12 hours of taking over than most teams have spend in their entire history, whilst clubs at the bottom are having to start on minus 30 fucking points because they can't afford to pay the fees to the league or keep their ground up to scratch. Some clubs spend more on their superdupermegastores and superdupermegatron screens than other clubs can spend on wages in a year. Then there's the players, holding said clubs to ransom over wages, when they earn more in a day than most people earn in a year. Slaves? They should try working 12 hour shifts for a company they fucking hate then going home to the aforementioned houses having had to spend half their weeks wages on food. Wankers such as Joey Barton getting done for chinning someone in the street, then their club defending them because they know if they kick them out, the only people who will be hit by that will be the club themselves, whilst the player fucks off to another club on big wages and a huge signing on fee. Same clubs winning the same trophies every season and boring the rest of us to tears with their stories of "great courage in the face of adversity". Fuck off. " Whomever posted this said it better than I ever could. Wish I knew what the answer was.

We currently appear to have one of the dimmest and most apathetic fan-bases on the planet. Wasn't like this in the 80's when we had plenty to cry about as well (granted the era prior to Sky money was very different), a lot of fans got up off their arses and tried to affect change and relatively things did change for a while. I don't know if it's the general demographic at games has changed from being the predominantly died-in-the-wool fan to being more predominantly the typical sky-era "mostly couldn't give a f***" fan or what but we've turned into a subservient embarrassment. The passion, fight, ambition and hope appears to have been extinguished/knocked out of us almost completely. I agree on the most part but Sack Pardew has shown change can be still be forced If done correctly. Ie without clowns like wraith Agreed, they deserve huge credit for the way they got their point across in an elegant and reasoned way, everything they put together was inarguable by anyone but the thickest cunts out there. We need more of that.

We currently appear to have one of the dimmest and most apathetic fan-bases on the planet. Wasn't like this in the 80's when we had plenty to cry about as well (granted the era prior to Sky money was very different), a lot of fans got up off their arses and tried to affect change and relatively things did change for a while. I don't know if it's the general demographic at games has changed from being the predominantly died-in-the-wool fan to being more predominantly the typical sky-era "mostly couldn't give a fuck" fan or what but we've turned into a subservient embarrassment. The passion, fight, ambition and hope appears to have been extinguished/knocked out of us almost completely.

Dam you LionOfGosforth I was going to make that joke. I was going to say he's sweet like chocolate but hott like fire! Chocolate Fire Garde. But actually reading that I'm ashamed Thought mine was bad

Let's hope he's more use than a chocolate fireguarde