Parky

I think I've done my bit of finding a scapegoat for this years failure.

That is part of the problem. I'd go futher than the 6+5 I'd have international caps minimums to keep out the middle tier riff raff.

Fabio Capello and England's Dilemma: Only 34 Percent of EPL Players Are English Matt S by Matt S Written on April 20, 2010 Are these statistics worrying for Fabio Capello? With the World Cup merely weeks away, increasing amounts of column inches are being dedicated to who may, should, or will be selected in Fabio Capello’s World Cup squad. Seemingly any English player producing even a half-decent display is met with cries of "get him on the plane!” Questions are raised as to whether Capello should stick by the established names who performed well during the successful qualifying campaign or seek out new, potentially in-form players who might fall into the "secret weapon" category. But, just how many players are out there for Capello to choose from? "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" Statistics have revealed that just one third of players who have started at least one game in the Premier League this season have been English. More specifically of the 453 players to have started at least one game in the English top flight this season, only 155 of them have been English, clocking in at just 34 percent. The figures hold up in another examination: in the recent Gameweek 34 of the Premier League, in which all 20 clubs played, 89 of the 271 (33 percent) players used were English. Comparison to other major European leagues does not make it any easier to read. Spain’s La Liga sees Spaniards make up two thirds of all players to have started a game in La Liga this season (65 percent), almost double that of the Premier League. Italy is not far behind, with 57 percent of players starting a game in Serie A this season being Italian. Germany finds itself halfway between England and Italy with 45 percent of players starting a game in the Bundesliga this season being German.

365 foreign players in the PL. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/default/gastarbeiterstartseite/basics.html

Foreign footballer cap not illegal says report By Geoff Meade, PA Thursday, 26 February 2009 Fifa president Sepp Blatter is determined to see the 6+5 rule in place by the start of the 2012-13 season GETTY IMAGES Fifa president Sepp Blatter is determined to see the 6+5 rule in place by the start of the 2012-13 season * Photos enlarge sponsored links: Controversial plans by football's world governing body to limit the number of foreign players do not breach EU rules, an independent report declared today. Fifa's so-called "6+5" rule has been overwhelmingly approved by 155 of the organisation's member nations, but dismissed as illegal by the European Commission and most EU governments because they say it amounts to discrimination at work and a restriction on the free movement of workers. Now the Institute for European Affairs (INEA) - commissioned by Fifa itself to study the issue - claims the idea of restricting foreign players in league games does not fall foul of EU rules on free movement of workers. Related articles

Is that foreign players as in any foreign player or is with that "homegrown" bullshit clause? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article4031314.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

"Football's world governing body today voted in favour of the "six-plus-five" rule, which would put a limit on the number of foreign players each team could field. Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, has said he hopes the controversial rule will be in place by the 2012-13 season. His vision appears to be a step closer following the overwhelming backing at Fifa's annual congress in Sydney, Australia. The rule would limit every team to only five foreign players in their starting XI. The Football Association have confirmed they voted in favour of discussing Fifa's six-plus-five rule proposal. "Bringing through more high-quality English players in the future is an absolute priority for the FA," an FA spokesman said. "One of our reservations has always been that the 'six-plus-five' rule appears to contravene European law and we welcome further exploration of its legality. "

Rooney has had a long hard season and no winter break + only just got back from inj which he had to play through for ManU.

Untill the PL limits teams to the no of foreign players we're not going to produce many good English players. I know people don't like to hear it but it is a fact.

German football clubs benefit from nurturing young talent January 07, 2010 As football transfer fees continue to go through the roof, German football league Bundesliga could find itself ahead of the pack, should the player market grind to a halt. Soccer could then become reliant on young, homegrown talent. Few soccer clubs in 2010 will be able to splash out as much as in previous years. With top players, such as Liverpool striker Fernando Torres valued at a whopping 158 million euros, costing so much to sign and to sustain, most clubs are increasingly reluctant or unable to shell out the money for the world's best. This means that if the player price hike continues as predicted, fewer and fewer world class stars will be on the move. Eventually, the transfer market will grind to a halt, with the top players all huddled together in London, Madrid or Manchester – or forced to accept their lot at their current clubs. As the value of players continues to rise, many teams have adopted the philosophy of 'speculate to accumulate'; they're developing their youth systems, nurturing young local talent and buying the potential stars of the future on the cheap. German clubs under orders to nurture youth In Germany, the emphasis on youth development has been the cornerstone of the national team's continued success and the slow but steady rise of the Bundesliga through the ranks of the European leagues. While English, Italian and Spanish teams were spending millions on snapping up youngsters from Africa to Asia in the 2006/07 season, Bundesliga clubs were inwardly investing a total of 44 million euros in youth academies. Bundesliga clubs are obliged under the German Soccer Association's (DFB) regulations to manage and maintain youth academies in order to be eligible for the licenses they need to operate in the league. The DFB regularly does spot-checks on Bundesliga clubs to assess their youth programmes and make sure they meet its criteria. This includes fielding a sufficient number of youth teams in a variety of age groups, maintaining adequate training pitches and providing good-quality standards in terms of sporting, medical and educational care for the youngsters. International success ingrained at an early age National coach Joachim Loew is particularly happy with this approach, especially after Germany's youngsters won the UEFA Under-17 and UEFA Under-21 European titles in 2009. "The youth academies of the Bundesliga are a kind of elite school for the best, and an excellent institution which is bearing fruits," he said recently. "Numerous excellent players from these academies have managed to go professional already." Turning to youth out of necessity The Bundesliga clubs are well aware of the value of the German youth system – for example, current league leaders Bayer Leverkusen have an average age of just 23. While the youth system undoubtedly provides teams with capable players, most German clubs are relying on youth out of necessity because most world-class stars ignore the advances of Bundesliga. Despite being able to attract the likes of Franck Ribery, Arjen Robben and Luca Toni in recent years, even Bayern Munich are talking about looking closer to home for the stars of the future. Bayern could turn to homegrown talent A training session at Bayern MunichBayern did invest heavily in new, established talent during the summer transfer window. But following a disappointing start to the season under new coach Louis van Gaal, Sporting Director Christian Nerlinger announced that a new emphasis on youth will be at the centre of Bayern's transfer policy. "We're keeping a close eye on a few of our youngsters who we believe may have the quality to play for Bayern Munich," Nerlinger told reporters. "They will soon be invited to train with the senior squad, allowing the coaching staff to gain a first-hand impression for themselves. "On the one hand you have the Riberys and Tonis, who we need for consistent success," he added. "On the other hand, you have players coming out of our superb development system and the squad has plenty of those." So, in the event that the world soccer transfer market becomes gridlocked by massive fees, the Bundesliga clubs may find themselves ahead of the pack when it comes to sending out their boys to do a man's job.

The PL with its high tempo and constant attacking is really entertainement now, it has little or nothing to do with football or for young players coming through to think a little deeper about the game. The PL is a monster and the Fa cower in its shadow.

German football clubs benefit from nurturing young talent January 07, 2010 As football transfer fees continue to go through the roof, German football league Bundesliga could find itself ahead of the pack, should the player market grind to a halt. Soccer could then become reliant on young, homegrown talent. Few soccer clubs in 2010 will be able to splash out as much as in previous years. With top players, such as Liverpool striker Fernando Torres valued at a whopping 158 million euros, costing so much to sign and to sustain, most clubs are increasingly reluctant or unable to shell out the money for the world's best. This means that if the player price hike continues as predicted, fewer and fewer world class stars will be on the move. Eventually, the transfer market will grind to a halt, with the top players all huddled together in London, Madrid or Manchester – or forced to accept their lot at their current clubs. As the value of players continues to rise, many teams have adopted the philosophy of 'speculate to accumulate'; they're developing their youth systems, nurturing young local talent and buying the potential stars of the future on the cheap. German clubs under orders to nurture youth In Germany, the emphasis on youth development has been the cornerstone of the national team's continued success and the slow but steady rise of the Bundesliga through the ranks of the European leagues. While English, Italian and Spanish teams were spending millions on snapping up youngsters from Africa to Asia in the 2006/07 season, Bundesliga clubs were inwardly investing a total of 44 million euros in youth academies. Bundesliga clubs are obliged under the German Soccer Association's (DFB) regulations to manage and maintain youth academies in order to be eligible for the licenses they need to operate in the league. The DFB regularly does spot-checks on Bundesliga clubs to assess their youth programmes and make sure they meet its criteria. This includes fielding a sufficient number of youth teams in a variety of age groups, maintaining adequate training pitches and providing good-quality standards in terms of sporting, medical and educational care for the youngsters. International success ingrained at an early age National coach Joachim Loew is particularly happy with this approach, especially after Germany's youngsters won the UEFA Under-17 and UEFA Under-21 European titles in 2009. "The youth academies of the Bundesliga are a kind of elite school for the best, and an excellent institution which is bearing fruits," he said recently. "Numerous excellent players from these academies have managed to go professional already." Turning to youth out of necessity The Bundesliga clubs are well aware of the value of the German youth system – for example, current league leaders Bayer Leverkusen have an average age of just 23. While the youth system undoubtedly provides teams with capable players, most German clubs are relying on youth out of necessity because most world-class stars ignore the advances of Bundesliga. Despite being able to attract the likes of Franck Ribery, Arjen Robben and Luca Toni in recent years, even Bayern Munich are talking about looking closer to home for the stars of the future. Bayern could turn to homegrown talent A training session at Bayern MunichBayern did invest heavily in new, established talent during the summer transfer window. But following a disappointing start to the season under new coach Louis van Gaal, Sporting Director Christian Nerlinger announced that a new emphasis on youth will be at the centre of Bayern's transfer policy. "We're keeping a close eye on a few of our youngsters who we believe may have the quality to play for Bayern Munich," Nerlinger told reporters. "They will soon be invited to train with the senior squad, allowing the coaching staff to gain a first-hand impression for themselves. "On the one hand you have the Riberys and Tonis, who we need for consistent success," he added. "On the other hand, you have players coming out of our superb development system and the squad has plenty of those." So, in the event that the world soccer transfer market becomes gridlocked by massive fees, the Bundesliga clubs may find themselves ahead of the pack when it comes to sending out their boys to do a man's job.

Didn't know them facts.

...which are more or less packed with foreign players.

Good post. I said elsewhere how the Germans I talk to here had absolutely no fear of us.

We had a DM, but he was about as mobile as Phil Mitchell after twenty pints. Don't really count Barry as a DM, more an allround midfielder. His positonal sense is pitiful and he doesn;t really have the tools to break up play.

Going 442 without a DM against Germany is suicide.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/worldcup2010/3031909/Joachim-Low-lays-into-England-flops.html#ixzz0s6B0a8A2 YOu see how simple, clear and clean the german thinking is.

A lot of the hype is market faceted, England is a brand now, the hype is manufactured to sell stuff and build interest...I honestly think the people behind it all the fa and the media and all the rest don't really give a fuck how we do at the actual tournament.

It's basically now a franchise.

Me too. Some of those players have never done it for England with any consistency - Lampard, for example. All i associate him with in an England shirt is endless pointless fucking shots ballooning over the bar from 30 yards. Gerrard is another. Not as bad as Lampard, but even so, he's been at best mediocre for England. Then there's John Terry, who as well as being not as good as he thinks he is, has the added bonus of being a moral reptile. Throw in some of the extras who get predictably chucked on (SWP) and faces who shouldn't even be on the same continent as the national side, let alone in it, (Heskey, Upson), and it is all depressing. Get rid of the fucking lot, start again. That was Capello's biggest mistake, he said he wouldnt pick players who weren't on form, and he wouldn't pick players who were injured, then he went and did precisely that, and picked another player who doesnt even get a game at club level (Heskey). Yup.

England has become a brand and like all brands is shiny on the outside but hollow to the core.

...then suddenly they come up against players who are technically good and have no fear of them...Wallop! Ego in the toilet.

....and when you're playing Germany play a proper DM.

That's nothing I had Germans patting me on the back after every goal.