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Just means Germany (probably) instead of Ghana/Serbia. From then on it's the same as it would have been. Think we'd play Uruguay/SK if we'd finished top and gone through the second round. As opposed to Argentina? Ah right. Yes we've manufactured the hardest route from the easiest group. Typical.

Need to get behind Ghana for the draw.

Bad feeling about that late usa goal. Germany and Serbia will win tonight, which means we will be playing Germany unless Serbia score 5 or summink.

Defoe is a pure striker.

most championship defenders are better than Upson it isn't hard. No idea why he's there when there are better cbs sitting on some beach on holiday. I don't see a massive gulf between the two, but would rather have played Dawson.

3-1 England. defoe 2

Happy with Defoe/Rooney. It's a day to have 2 goalscorers on the park. Think Defoe will score.

It will be a good day if England win. But it Eng and Ghana win it will be perfect.

Should have made that call this morning with the fake phone cough....

Anyway let's hope after all this hoo ha we get the job done tomorrow.

Should change his name to Arjen Lennon, he'd be twice the player then.

If Joe Cole doesn't start Capello is just making a rod for his own back IMO. ....but if he does he'll be accused of 'giving in' to Terry. (as jhonnypd pointed out earlier) Whatever gets a result IMO. Pretty sure Capello will be totally comitted to getting a result even if it looks like he's giving in. Tricky one.

If Joe Cole doesn't start Capello is just making a rod for his own back IMO.

Argy - Brazil final. I'm not sure about Argentina yet tbh. Greece more or less nullified them today, and if they'd had anyone worth a fuck up front they could have done them on the break a couple of times. I can see them getting picked off when they meet a good side tbh. They were 7 men short of their best team... When Di Maria came on and they had some natural width they started to pick through the Greeks much more frequently. I'd imagine much of it was the Greeks knowing they probably had to score to go through though. True enough it wasn't their best 11, but to me they've looked dodgy at the back in all their games thus far. I agree about their defence, but I think they're sort of similar to a team like Barcelona, where their best attacking line-up is usually going to render any defensive problems redundant anyway because they're so good at keeping the ball out of their half. As for the Greeks, I think they would have settled for a 1-0 defeat. They had no intention of trying to score a goal. The Greeks really overdo this defensive lark to the point where about 7 players never leave their half.

You're the one mixing up hard work with confidence to work the ball. In fact they're actually doing neither uptill now. Hope it changes tomorrow like. Well no, you're accusing individuals who've achieved success primarily because of a lot of hard work of being 'millionaire playboys' because it's easier than looking at tactics and positioning. You're just a resentful little man. Terry himself said they didn't look like they were putting effort in and that was the minimum that was expected by the fans or words to that effect. I made a post about tactics and positioning earlier in the thread. The playboy comment was cause of the constant whinning that seems to be going on about being bored, needing a beer, wanting to be with girlfriends, sick of golf....Anyone would think they were there on holiday. If criticising the first two performances makes me resentful, then that's me and about 10 million other Englishmen after the Algeria game, not to mention the ones who have spent thousands getting to Africa.

I'd start Defoe, but not Milner. I'd have Defoe and Rooney upfront two out and out goal getters, we might need more than one goal.

You're the one mixing up hard work with confidence to work the ball. In fact they're actually doing neither uptill now. Hope it changes tomorrow like.

If only they could play for their clubs at the world cup. And what has hard work got to do with fear of the Jubulani??

If England get a good win tomorrow the whole posture and confidence of the side will change.

Rooney does too much work for a striker, I don't like to see him running around so much. Get in the box more baldy. Rooney should do the same he does for Man Utd. Scoring goals >> work rate. Agreed. He seems to start dropping back when there's nothing happening, which just makes it worse really. It would maybe be OK if we had a decent finisher upfront to do the business but Heskey is fucking useless. It's cause the millionaire plaboy normally cocksure midfield is scared to move up with the ball and there starts to be a massive gap to Kangarooney.

Not totally convinced by Arg yet. Well drilled Greeks nearly held them today. If the Greeks actually had a proper striker they would have scored today.

Well done Sud Korea.

Rooney does too much work for a striker, I don't like to see him running around so much. Get in the box more baldy. Rooney should do the same he does for Man Utd. Scoring goals >> work rate. Agreed.

Have the training camps fucked them up?

Rooney does too much work for a striker, I don't like to see him running around so much. Get in the box more baldy.