Parky

eh? Sorry mate got you mixed up with the other fella from Singapore. No offence intended. I see you have a UK e mail. Il let u off this time fella (smiley thingy) I did for a long time pretend Madras was from Madras and Indi was from India.....But these are just games I play to keep myself amused... Don't mind me....

Singapore I said Coach. YOu're blacker than me you probably know more about it innit?

eh? Sorry mate got you mixed up with the other fella from Singapore. No offence intended. I see you have a UK e mail.

Won't happen.

Agree. But in the long run the money is there even with a modicum more success than now.

Spent all night seething at this thread and building his big reply more like.

Yes Jai and pushing the brand envelope they might well some of the games in your backyard.

I think it is logical and less painful in the onset if the CL was converted to a proper league. I'm sure there is no other way to base camp on this. I guess they will want an 18 club league and the first season will be by invitation. They want more money ie more games (check) and they want qualification and staying in it less hit and miss (check)...Probably no more than 2 in and out per season (guessing). But with what will be branded as a whole new tournament all the cash bargaing will be back to square one and that is what the football clubs are after. World wide TV rights will be enormous even a single sponsor deal with say Mastercard alone for venue branding will guarantee the product. errr... how many games a year for one club is a combined 22 team Premiership season and an 18 club superlague season? A lot. 20 in the PL?

I think it is logical and less painful in the onset if the CL was converted to a proper league. I'm sure there is no other way to base camp on this. I guess they will want an 18 club league and the first season will be by invitation. They want more money ie more games (check) and they want qualification and staying in it less hit and miss (check)...Probably no more than 2 in and out per season (guessing). But with what will be branded as a whole new tournament all the cash bargaing will be back to square one and that is what the football clubs are after. World wide TV rights will be enormous even a single sponsor deal with say Mastercard alone for venue branding will guarantee the product.

Nobody saw the PL coming. It was a concept that dates back to the 20s believe it or not, the idea of a breakaway Super League containing all the top clubs in England. There's a fascinating book about it all, I can't quite remember the exact title of it, something like lifting the lid on a national obsession, very good book that talks a lot about a european superleague too. The thing is like you I'm not sure a Wed playing SL will be good for football. But the big clubs are now chasing the money and I think they are confident there is more money to be made (infact there is) they will be looking at angles. Uefa won't want to step aside so there is a long way to go yet and yes there is a chance is might not happen. In that case the clubs especially in Italy will use the threat as a bargaining tool to maybe leverage more TV cash or negotiate their own deals. Milan and Juve negotiate their own TV deals already for Serie A. Ultimately it will devalue the national leagues much more than say a pseudo Cup competiton like the CL. I can't see a European Super League working, not long-term anyway. The Premiership was feasable and a very sound business plan, a European Super League is anything but as unlike domestic and UEFA football, their is no safety net with a European Super League. Who governs it? What about promotion and demotion? How will the clubs get around the buying and selling of players? You can guarantee if a European Super League was set up, UEFA, FIFA and the FA as well as the FAs of all other nations, not to mention all the clubs left behind, will all oppose this league and turn their backs on it. Not gonna happen Parky, it's football's bogeyman to scare UEFA with. I hope you're right.

Nobody saw the PL coming. It was a concept that dates back to the 20s believe it or not, the idea of a breakaway Super League containing all the top clubs in England. There's a fascinating book about it all, I can't quite remember the exact title of it, something like lifting the lid on a national obsession, very good book that talks a lot about a european superleague too. The thing is like you I'm not sure a Wed playing SL will be good for football. But the big clubs are now chasing the money and I think they are confident there is more money to be made (infact there is) they will be looking at angles. Uefa won't want to step aside so there is a long way to go yet and yes there is a chance is might not happen. In that case the clubs especially in Italy will use the threat as a bargaining tool to maybe leverage more TV cash or negotiate their own deals. Milan and Juve negotiate their own TV deals already for Serie A. Ultimately it will devalue the national leagues much more than say a pseudo Cup competiton like the CL.

Nobody saw the PL coming.

The European superleague when it comes will change everything. European football as a brand is highly lucrative now to a world market especially Asia in general and ultimately China specifically.

Why is it that whenever we neutralise a side with our formation and tactics (Barcelona, Chelsea, Milan, Juve), they just played shit? I don't "feel sorry" for the pathetic, shoe-waving desperadoes who make up part of your audience when another season comes crashing down in despair, as they all have since the 1950s. But I don't let what joy you may scrape consume me. I think a lot of you do though, and I don't think such bitterness towards superior teams has helped your cause through the years. It can't all be down to poor managers and bad luck, not with the raw materials consistently at your disposal. Need I remind you that a signing you made in 1996 is still more costly than our biggest of all time (though that will likely change this summer)? who is bitter tonight? I'm not bitter. I am simply suggesting that certain people would be better off channeling their energy towards what is potentially a very fine club of their own rather than making hideous comments about teams & - worse - people from other cities. Mourinho has won the CL with Porto btw with a side that cost less than half what you had out tonight. With arguably a much better side, while he has since repeatedly failed to even get to the final with hundreds of millions to spend. Football I've come to realise isn't about money or better sides. It is bigger than that and that is why we are all fascinated by it.

On the contrary they love him.

He's shit tbh, so glad we stepped aside and allowed Liverpool to sign him. He's a foreign Kevin Davies. Pretty much and to give him the lone role........The mind boggles...He is so slow. The wild chair throwing golf club swinging Welshman would have caused frights I'm sure.

I don't want to hear any more nonsense about Kuyt either.

I don't "feel sorry" for the pathetic, shoe-waving desperadoes who make up part of your audience when another season comes crashing down in despair, as they all have since the 1950s. But I don't let what joy you may scrape consume me. I think a lot of you do though, and I don't think such bitterness towards superior teams has helped your cause through the years. It can't all be down to poor managers and bad luck, not with the raw materials consistently at your disposal. Need I remind you that a signing you made in 1996 is still more costly than our biggest of all time (though that will likely change this summer)? who is bitter tonight? I'm not bitter. I am simply suggesting that certain people would be better off channeling their energy towards what is potentially a very fine club of their own rather than making hideous comments about teams & - worse - people from other cities. course you are, any real football fan would be spitting blood after losing a big final, no shame in that. and for the record i was sad to see liverpool lose so it's not neccessarily true that a discussion about benitez's tactics is always going to be borne out of bitterness. Exactly.

I don't "feel sorry" for the pathetic, shoe-waving desperadoes who make up part of your audience when another season comes crashing down in despair, as they all have since the 1950s. But I don't let what joy you may scrape consume me. I think a lot of you do though, and I don't think such bitterness towards superior teams has helped your cause through the years. It can't all be down to poor managers and bad luck, not with the raw materials consistently at your disposal. Need I remind you that a signing you made in 1996 is still more costly than our biggest of all time (though that will likely change this summer)? who is bitter tonight? I'm not bitter. I am simply suggesting that certain people would be better off channeling their energy towards what is potentially a very fine club of their own rather than making hideous comments about teams & - worse - people from other cities. Mourinho has won the CL with Porto btw with a side that cost less than half what you had out tonight.

I don't "feel sorry" for the pathetic, shoe-waving desperadoes who make up part of your audience when another season comes crashing down in despair, as they all have since the 1950s. But I don't let what joy you may scrape consume me. I think a lot of you do though, and I don't think such bitterness towards superior teams has helped your cause through the years. It can't all be down to poor managers and bad luck, not with the raw materials consistently at your disposal. Need I remind you that a signing you made in 1996 is still more costly than our biggest of all time (though that will likely change this summer)? who is bitter tonight? I'm not bitter. I am simply suggesting that certain people would be better off channeling their energy towards what is potentially a very fine club of their own rather than making hideous comments about teams & - worse - people from other cities. Saying Rafa was tactically bankcrupt tonight is a hideous comment?? Fucking hell. mackems.gif

I'm saying and clearly most on here can see he fucked up tonight. Why does that make me look foolish? I don't care if he's won 20 Cups....The point of this thread is he was absolutely off his game TONIGHT. When I say I've never really rated him yes that's just me, but not the point of the thread.

I don't really follow any of your reasoning here tbh. As a collective unit Liverpool are very strong but lack creativity hardly a weakness. His mistakes have come back to haunt him and his luck has finally desserted him. Buying Pennant originally and then - playing him as the first 'out' ball shows a momumental misjudement of this players ability to construct a second phase movement. Gerrard has to be the first outball looking up at 2 strikers cause Milan after last time were shitting themselves at the start and probably thinking they had to score 4 to win. The golden rule against Italian sides is start big.

Kaka is the only one really. The rest are good but their time has been up. I'd add Pirlo. You made a very good point about tracking earlier and old rednose must be rueing not having someone like Hargreaves in his side atm.

I can't believe Zenden started honestly can't.

Couldn't disagree more. Milan are old. The player that has carried them all season is Kaka. Stop him and you stop Milan. Simple. A Man United team with Hargreaves playing the role Mascherano did tonight would have destroyed Milan. They were absolutely awful and clueless with Mascherano on the pitch shadowing Kaka. They could hardly get it out of their half. With only Inzaghi (old and slow) as their striker they were infinitely worse than Liverpool. The loss of Crespo and Sheva was huge for them. Awful team in my opinion. Agreed. And totally beatable on the night......Benitez got it all wrong. Even when Kaka was wasted around the 60th min Liverpool still only had one striker on the pitch.