Dr Venkman

His strike record for Inter was roughly 1 in 3 which is what it is with us. That's is what we paid for and what we got. If you want a 1 in 2 striker you have to put up the cash. True! I rememeber fergie saying something about the need for Rooney to spread his goals out over a good number of games, because his scoring record was similar to Martins. Id rather have Martins have 15 scoring games a season with 15 goals, than 15 goals in 8 scoring games over the season. If that makes sense. haha. you can just see it, 'oba, oba, miss this one son, save it for next week at arsenal' sounds like you're saying he needs to be more consistent

yeah he REALLY doesn't like the cold does he? have to say if sam stays i can see more effort/cash being put into defence than attack, all depends on how much money he gets/doesnt get

Why on earth should they stick up for the twerp? There should maybe be some kind of statement on what is happening though. being legally savvy i imagine mort will wait for the outcome of the FIRST trial before saying anything in public, i have to say though that the silence so far doesnt bode well for mr barton imo good on em i say, cancel his contract, keep his registration incase anyone else wants to sign him, make an example of the daft bastard

His strike record for Inter was roughly 1 in 3 which is what it is with us. That's is what we paid for and what we got. If you want a 1 in 2 striker you have to put up the cash. board thread board thread! you're right of course, it'll be interesting to see if martins is still here next season as i think it'll depend on whether sam thinks he can be coached into a much more consistent performer, or indeed if sam's here at all but thats a different matter

mackems.gif I think this thread should now be closed and made a sticky after that classic piece of tripe above. were i to play devils advocate and ask what gave it its tripe like qualities, what would your response be?

He needs service. When he gets it he messes up far too often i'm afraid, and i'm sorry parky, what torres cost liverpool is irrelevant, whether you think he was worth the money or not isnt gonna make martins a better player Martins is not a top tier forward comparing him to the likes of Torres or Villa or RVN is grossly unfair. If you lot want a forward all these posts reflect well stump up the £30m and you can have one. to be fair you were the one who started saying things like put him in a different team and he'll score more etc, as i've said though, that counts for anyone, more chances, more goals, anyway i'm not gonna start repeating myself, i just dont think he's good enough

He needs service. When he gets it he messes up far too often i'm afraid, and i'm sorry parky, what torres cost liverpool is irrelevant, whether you think he was worth the money or not isnt gonna make martins a better player

....after 21 games....with 9 new players including a whole new back 4 and a new formation, are you surprised he isnt? Look at Man City. in my opinion, man city were a lot further on than us as a club however before thaskin and ashley took over. they have a solid academy, one of the best around, and foundations built on stone, not the quick sand ours are/were on. i would bet any amount of money we have undergone more radical change than they have. its going to take time whether we like it or not, whether its sam, allardyce, mourinho or any other manager who we get/may want. as someone has already mentioned, this season is a right off regardless, and i for one believe we will be a much better run club at the end of the season with scouting networks, youth player intake etc. we wers s**** anyway, while we were a mess all over/thick of debt /one full time scout etc. so we may as well be s**** while sam sorts all of that out and then see at the end of the season. i think brummie's post yesterday should go a long way with what they went through last year, very similar to us and finished 11th, now everyone is licking their balls. sacking sam now will do nowt whatsoever, and comparing us to man city wont do much either as they were a better organised club than us and have spent a hell of a lot more money (i think, im f***** if they havnt!), which they can afford to do as they have the foundations of youth and a flourishing academy, we dont. more sense, thank god

Was just thinking of that. haha, when the guys head explodes, class

i agree with that, but you can say that about any player, the more chances they get, the more they'll score, his conversion rate is just too low imo What is Torres conversion rate? Not saying Martins is better because he clearly isn't but Torres misses a lot of chances, the thing is he gets himself in the positions and with the chances created he will score. good point, i have to admit i dont have stats, but i watch martins more than i watch torres, seems torres cant quite lace up his shooting boots away from home but he looks deadly at anfield, torres is much the classier player though, excellent close control which means he can use his pace to go past people like they aren't there, martins just doesnt have that talent

i agree with that, but you can say that about any player, the more chances they get, the more they'll score, his conversion rate is just too low imo

....after 21 games....with 9 new players including a whole new back 4 and a new formation, are you surprised he isnt? Look at Man City. i dont think its a fair comparison tbh, they had a settled defensive unit, including a very good centre back pairing already performing very well, allardyce had to literally start again Garrido, Corluka & Ball have all been there less than a year, they've been chopping and changing their goalkeeper, and they lost one of their main centre-halves on a Free. and Richards was playing at RB last year. indeed, i still think sven had more to work with though, dont you? i really dont see the point that people are trying to make when they say, managers dont need time, look at man city, are you saying sven's a better manager than sam? well he's had consistent results at different clubs so you're stating the obvious, of course he's a better manager, we can see that from his record, but allardyce has a decent record too, in this league, one that suggests it would be wise to give him a bit of time to do his job, thats all i'm saying.

....after 21 games....with 9 new players including a whole new back 4 and a new formation, are you surprised he isnt? Look at Man City. i dont think its a fair comparison tbh, they had a settled defensive unit, including a very good centre back pairing already performing very well, allardyce had to literally start again

"s*** first touch Doesn't no how to use his pace Can't shoot Can't beat a man Passing is s*** No awareness" All those can be helped with training. helped, yes, brought up to a consistent high standard, i doubt it, not enough raw talent/footballing intelligence, imo

Let's ignore all the glaring deficiencies in his game too, eh? 23. Same age as Adebayor, Tevez and Torres then. All clubs with a far better training set up and manager than we have. Going to a "good" club doesn't automatically mean that players improve. Just look at Chelsea if you want examples. Martins has peaked IMO. Good enough if we want to stay at the level we're at currently, but not good enough to move us forward. No it doesn't, but the problems with Martins are things that can be made less of a hinderance with good training and a manager who can look at him and see what his exact problems are. We have neither of them imo. thats the sort of codswallop that kept titus bramble at this club, like martins, a lot of his problems are in his brain, and you cant coach intelligence into someone, sorry

....after 21 games....with 9 new players including a whole new back 4 and a new formation, are you surprised he isnt?

Let's ignore all the glaring deficiencies in his game too, eh? 23. Same age as Adebayor, Tevez and Torres then. All clubs with a far better training set up and manager than we have. and much better strikers

he's so inconsistent, as is viduka, i'd replace them both next summer if possible

Do you think a new manager will not want his own staff, players and time to gel a team/system? I reckon this season is a write-off whether we sack him or not. A season of rebuilding is not wasted. Even half a season of looking at the team and planning for the future is not wasted. Keeping a manager with no chance of success or even a clue what to do is a waste of a season. you're shooting yourself in the foot here, this is our season of rebuilding, just under a manager you've clearly already made up your mind about after 21 games. this is a manager who's had very good results in this league, a manager who's continually backed by other managers who it seems know what they're talking about, sir alex and sven to name just two. maybe, just maybe, its time to trust someone to do what we brought them in to do, a job, in any way they see fit, to get us moving in the right direction EVENTUALLY, no matter how long it takes.

so frustrating, pace of a beast, mind of a ten year old

why would they let him go? seems weird

after he came on wasn't bramble probably our best palyer that night ? not that it wasn't right to let him go but maybe he took more stick than was deserved I was never his biggest fan by any account but such humiliation was overly harsh and i wished he celebrated with a customary cupped ear to the Kop. i seriously doubt he has the prescence of mind to do that, good finish though

no, relegation form would be 7 wins in 38, you dont get relegated on the results of 12 games, you're getting ripped on your season ticket if you think there's only 6 home games every season

for gods sake man, keegan, venables? george fucking graham? the grass isnt always greener you know lads

you've posted that 8 years too early mate