Dr Venkman

You would have said the same about the SJP expansion 5 years ago And? 5 years ago no one could have predicted that we would be in the freefall that we were at the end of Fred's time. That's stunning, don't you think? 10 years ago I don't think many predicted that we'd be in financial trouble and our future would be looking seemingly bleak. That's the main thing I've been trying to say so far, though god knows I've tried my best to sound as confusing as possible. ??? And in 5 years time Wenger may have let and Arsenal may be struggling to get 8th place in the Premier league. You've said exactly what I was getting at, the Emirates looks sound now, SJP look sound 5 years ago Aye, the MANAGER makes a massive difference, which is where we went wrong with the appointment of Souness, obviously. .....or even the sacking of SBR? didn't hear too many voices against it at the time. Never mind, after today, do you hope the club continue carrying on putting the books first, standby for more real mediocrity or worse. I thought when the Halls and Shepherd left, all this mediocrity would come to an end. I reckon we need a few of these quality trophy players to get up the league a bit, don't you I've always been unhappy with the sacking of SBR. I dont know what agenda you have me trying to push but you have the wrong man, i wasnt for Shepard during his reign as chairmen, although i supported most of his decisions. I am not one of these people who think the new board are magically sorting out all the problems, but i am extremely encouraged by what has already occured with the new board, but i feel obliged to respond to some absolute stupendous critism of the new board which is borderline idiotic. considering that we are 5 months into their ownership. Whehther you turn out to be correct or wrong is irrelevant to me but to sit there and criticise something so quickly with absolutley NOTHING solid to back it up except for some loose misinterpretation is mind boggling to me. Idiotic. A simple FACT, dear boy, is that Sir Bobby Robson's team was booed for only finishing 5th, this epitomised the feeling of a lot of fans at that time. I would presume those who booed the team that day were the same people - like booboo - who laugh at the team when they aren't performing well. I'm not saying that you were one of those, because I don't know, but what I do know is if you ignore this comment, you are ignoring history. So don't start laying the blame at the feet of the board, they acted in what was thought was the decision to be made at the time. Most fans backed it - even those who didn't shamefully boo - the only problem was the replacement. What a shame we didn't find the next Arsene Wenger though during the last decade eh, how incompetent can you get bloody hell man, the stuff you'll come out with to absolve them of any blame, unbelievable "they acted on what they thought was the decision to be made at the time". I fail to see how this is making excuses, unless you are going to tell us that the majority of fans didn't agree that it was time for a change ? well, first of all, 'dont go laying the blame at the feet of the board', referencing the blame they're getting for a decision THEY made, 100% sums you up secondly, 'they acted on what they thought was the decision to be made at the time', is vague, weak, and ducks BLAME, why are they acting on what other people think? dont they have the courage of their convictions? did they EVER do anything wrong mate apart from appointing souness, or are you just gonna blame the fans, players and managers? and lastly, bobby should have gone at the end of the season previous, waiting and doing it then was STUPID, sorry like, on this occasion FREDDY, WAS STUPID

Yes and Mourinho is a good example of that. He's a pretty bad example. Defensive pragmatist who gets the most of his players through motivation and good tactics. I'd love him here but he doesn't have an 'attacking philosophy'. true, just because you win a lot it doesn't mean your philosophy is attacking

in a way i'd quite like us to appoint him just to fucking get it out of the way, whether he'd do well or not, who can say, it doesnt usually go well for people with such little experience though

have to echo sentiments that while he is a known dafty, he's innocent till proven guilty, HOWEVER, being out on the piss, or not on the piss till 5.30 am in a busy city centre is just stupid

You would have said the same about the SJP expansion 5 years ago And? 5 years ago no one could have predicted that we would be in the freefall that we were at the end of Fred's time. That's stunning, don't you think? 10 years ago I don't think many predicted that we'd be in financial trouble and our future would be looking seemingly bleak. That's the main thing I've been trying to say so far, though god knows I've tried my best to sound as confusing as possible. ??? And in 5 years time Wenger may have let and Arsenal may be struggling to get 8th place in the Premier league. You've said exactly what I was getting at, the Emirates looks sound now, SJP look sound 5 years ago Aye, the MANAGER makes a massive difference, which is where we went wrong with the appointment of Souness, obviously. .....or even the sacking of SBR? didn't hear too many voices against it at the time. Never mind, after today, do you hope the club continue carrying on putting the books first, standby for more real mediocrity or worse. I thought when the Halls and Shepherd left, all this mediocrity would come to an end. I reckon we need a few of these quality trophy players to get up the league a bit, don't you I've always been unhappy with the sacking of SBR. I dont know what agenda you have me trying to push but you have the wrong man, i wasnt for Shepard during his reign as chairmen, although i supported most of his decisions. I am not one of these people who think the new board are magically sorting out all the problems, but i am extremely encouraged by what has already occured with the new board, but i feel obliged to respond to some absolute stupendous critism of the new board which is borderline idiotic. considering that we are 5 months into their ownership. Whehther you turn out to be correct or wrong is irrelevant to me but to sit there and criticise something so quickly with absolutley NOTHING solid to back it up except for some loose misinterpretation is mind boggling to me. Idiotic. A simple FACT, dear boy, is that Sir Bobby Robson's team was booed for only finishing 5th, this epitomised the feeling of a lot of fans at that time. I would presume those who booed the team that day were the same people - like booboo - who laugh at the team when they aren't performing well. I'm not saying that you were one of those, because I don't know, but what I do know is if you ignore this comment, you are ignoring history. So don't start laying the blame at the feet of the board, they acted in what was thought was the decision to be made at the time. Most fans backed it - even those who didn't shamefully boo - the only problem was the replacement. What a shame we didn't find the next Arsene Wenger though during the last decade eh, how incompetent can you get bloody hell man, the stuff you'll come out with to absolve them of any blame, unbelievable

Naive young fool. Do you seriously think a few hundred grand a year is the difference between us challenging Chelsea. Priceless. mackems.gif You have a lot to learn about life lad, if you think people in business don't do this sort of thing everywhere. Fantastically hilarious. Anyway, I'd prefer you not to bother me again. oh dear Another decent post from you. No lies, no misrepresentation. Keep it up. i love you

Naive young fool. Do you seriously think a few hundred grand a year is the difference between us challenging Chelsea. Priceless. mackems.gif You have a lot to learn about life lad, if you think people in business don't do this sort of thing everywhere. Fantastically hilarious. Anyway, I'd prefer you not to bother me again. oh dear

excellent, i've wanted a sack anal petition on the go for ages

Goodo. Not that I'm trying to intimidate anybody, though. Shame you can't say the same, given your provocative and sarcastic posts all over this thread. Thanks again. gold go on, address the rest of the post, have a go

It would great if you limited yourself to this type of post more often.... I'm off for a pie now. Is that ok with you even though I'm obviously a useless b****** 'cos I'm fat? Cheers haha, why? because i disagree with you? so what? you do what you want mate, enjoy that pie, i've never mentioned weight, although you keep trying to suggest i have. by the way, interesting isnt it that i wrongly assumed you were taking a particular line of thinking earlier in the thread, and when you pulled me up on it i apologised straight away, and yet when i did the same to you regarding the fat comments, you pathetically tried to worm out of it without showing an ounce of humility..... its obviously not just the younguns who've got something to learn Not at all, anybody can disagree with me all they like, it's a forum and I'm always up for a debate but I don't think you're capable of it, hence my last comment to you. BTW When I made the earlier post in response to your comment about weight I wasn't trying to worm out of anything. You can swear at me now. Cheers again you WERE trying to worm out of it, and you didnt succeed, regardless of what you think i am or aren't capable of, i could see that pretty clearly, and once again you've proved rather arrogant when confronted with the fact you were posting without reading, so there you go, i'm not capable of debate, you're not capable of admitting you made a mistake, none of us are perfect and as for the swearing, i only see one swear word in this block of quotes, and i've never ever sworn AT anyone on this forum, used bad language yes, but not directed towards anyone on this forum i.e fuck off, you need to up your game, i'm not intimidated in the slightest

It would great if you limited yourself to this type of post more often.... I'm off for a pie now. Is that ok with you even though I'm obviously a useless b****** 'cos I'm fat? Cheers haha, why? because i disagree with you? so what? you do what you want mate, enjoy that pie, i've never mentioned weight, although you keep trying to suggest i have. by the way, interesting isnt it that i wrongly assumed you were taking a particular line of thinking earlier in the thread, and when you pulled me up on it i apologised straight away, and yet when i did the same to you regarding the fat comments, you pathetically tried to worm out of it without showing an ounce of humility..... its obviously not just the younguns who've got something to learn

How old are you? Cheers How old are you? Cheers I'm 27. Ta That was going to be my guess when he said he got his first season ticket aged 12 which was apparently 15 years ago. Mate, had I seen that post from him before I made my own I obviously wouldn't have asked him. Get it? You're clutching at straws in an attempt to appear smart, problem is, you aren't at all smart.

quite shocked you are stooping to this level mate. The answer is no, by the way. Sir John was though, but resigned when the initial flotation failed due to lack of interest, failing to raise half of 2.5m quid. This is fact by the way, because I put in to buy shares, and had my cheque returned. You know me, I admit I can't stand FS and regard his time here as an ultimate failure. I admit my bias. However, if you are claiming FS as part of the board under Sir John Hall deserves credit for those years then by your same logic, he deserves criticism for being part of the old board before SJH which he was. You are quick to highlight how FS played a role in KK's arrival and use that to defend him, but what about the role as a director or member of the old board he played in the club's woes pre-SJH? Anyway, just to show how much of a turncoat FS was, he was very much on the side of the old board until SJH flashed him some money. Oh and I just can't defend a crook. Did I say crook, sorry I meant cock. Sorry mate, you're showing your selective memory, guilty of putting personalities before judgements like some others. lets hope Ashley and Mort back their managers more than the old board shall we ? I hope you don't claim they are "better", until they have proved it. Having said that, if the old board were such "cocks", they should be doing better already, for an example see the mackems since Niall Quinn took over from cocks, or for another example, see our own takeover in 1992 when they took over from cocks. I hope you can understand this, but I have my doubts I must be honest. Honestly NE5, I can't defend the man or turn a cheek to what I know. For sure he has done good things and I'm sure he isn't alone in footy but for me, as a so-called NUFC fan, well, I don't know how he can live with himself. SJH was never like that yet he had more scope to do what FS did, not even DH was like that and he had good reason to. Do you not find it suspicious how the takeover all came about like it did and why the Halls wanted out like they did, behind FS's back? They didn't want to be dragged down with it because that's what was going to happen. Only in years to come will we realise what an escape we've had thanks to Ashley and co. I dread to think what would have happened if FS was allowed to carry on or worse still, buy the club for himself. I'll give you a clue, the warehouse carry on, but x10. I'm not surprised MA enlisted the help of a legal expert, the mess... The last thing you want to do is for something you've just bought for all that money to be confiscated by the old bill and investigated... I'll say no more. FS good for NUFC? He had us on the road to ruin man. Rubbish tbh. The Halls wanted out because they wanted their money. They had touted the club for a while, and were prepared to sell to anyone for the price. I don't give a toss about a warehouse BTW. Unfortunately, in business [which people like to peddle when it suits them it seems], such things happen everywhere. Don't you also consider the fact that Sports Direct has replaced the club badge on the top of the GAllowgate stand a conflict of interest, or the adverts for Sports Direct.com if such things bother you ? If not, why not ? SHJ didn't want out under Sir Bobby, which was only 3 years ago. And if SJH was prepared to sell to anyone, why didn't he sell to Belgravia and why didn't he sell to all those interested parties Freddy Shepherd is down on record as wanting to buy the club? SJH wanted out because the club HE built was going to s*** and was in financial and other mess and he didn't want his good name to go down with it. If it was about money, why did he do things secretly, why did he not invite offers which would have surely led to other bidders entering the fray? Why did he not sell out to Belgravia despite their interest as I've already mentioned? Why Ashley? Why the months of talks between the two, in secret? Could it be that he found out about certain things and thought, f*** this for a game of snooker, and actually used his contacts to find someone he could trust to buy the club and sort the mess out FS was creating? Anyway as far as I'm concerned SJH didn't tout the club, if anything it was Shepherd doing that by letting the world and his dog know that the club were receiving offers right left and centre. You should give a toss about the warehouse btw because there was more than one "warehouse" kind of deal being done behind closed doors, deals that lead to our mounting debts and of course, added to the Shepherds and their cronies growing wealth. You criticised Souness for wasting money on Boumsong and Luque et al yet for the record, you defend this: 1 Warehouse owned by NUFC sold to Bruce Shepherd for pennies then rented back by NUFC for hundreds of thousands, a warehouse that let me tell you stood empty. If that isn't wasting club money I don't know what is. I agree such deals do happen in business and especially in football, but it shouldn't. Here you have the Chairman who likes to call himself a died in the wool Geordie and a NUFC fan, basically robbing fans of their money to fund his own ventures with his brother, all at the expense of the club's best interests which is to get value for money and in some cases, save money, not flagrantly waste it and in a less than legitimate way too. How you can defend that or not give a toss yet pull up Souness for example for wasting money on players is not only hypocritical but shocking. This is our club here we are talking about, you may not care where the money goes to and what on (you clearly do if it's a manager you don't like behind it) but I do and so do most fans I imagine. The PLC certainly care as well, as does the fraud office. Ashley obviously cares too. Perhaps that's why football is so bent, too few people caring so long as they get their trophy signings, fed bullshit in the media and because, well hey, things could be worse, we could be back in the 70s and 80s. Well f****** sorry but I don't want to gloss over what I class as mismanagement at it's worst. As for Ashley, he can do whatever he likes, it's his club, the money is his. I guarantee you though, the more money Sports Direct makes, the more it will benefit Newcastle United. The more money FS made, the less the club made. If you don't believe me look at what FS made out of NUFC and correlate it with what he left us with, over £100m in debt. This from a club that was cash rich before he took over as Chairman of both the Board and the PLC. And you have the audacity to say he was a good Chairman because we finished in the top 5 a few times. Big f****** deal. Alan Shearer regarded those finishes as failure. They were nice, but nothing to f****** brag about. Not when Villa with a Chairman you used as the ant-FS have an equal average record to us, and ask Brummie what Villa fans think about the past 10 years. Oh and how can Sports Direct badges be a conflict of interest? You're clearly showing your bias here and dislike for the new board, the people who got rid of the cancer at Newcastle. Fat f****** Freddy Shepherd and his cronies and their scamming ways. Honestly mate, it's hilarious how you're comparing Ashley and Co to FS and Co. Ashley in wiping out the debt alone has giving more to this club than FS ever did or could. We can now compete and our future is guranteed. Under FS it went from one crisis to another, it was only a matter of time before we fell off that cliff he had us close to. You should be thankful there is a bloke out their willing to underwrite the years of mismanagement and with it give us a platform to get back to where we were before FS got his dorty hands on the club. But because the Chairman isn't spouting his head off that there is this and that to spend or that we are going to do this and that in January, this f****** thread reaches 20 odd pages? Have a word man. word

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and we wonder why he finds such affinity with shepherd?

Their European revenues over the last ten years compared to ours are........ ahh yes, but if you look at OUR european revenues compared to teams that have lesser european revenues, then everything he says makes sense

yeah there was a moment in the arse game today when i thought gray was being a total tit, the ref blew for a foul then held his hands up to apologise for not playing advantage, which i thought was applaudable, to be honest, how many times do you see a referee say sorry!? and martin tyler commented on it, to which andy gray said 'its just a WRONG decision, to be honest' i mean, haway, give the man a chance, he's bloody apologising, he doesnt have to

Ashley is paying for Shepherds financial mistakes at the minute. No-one can dispute that yeah but obviously ashley just wants to sell the club on to make a minimal profit while endearing himself to the fans for half an hour by turning up to a few games, isnt it obvious? now, freddy shepherd, HE had the clubs best interests at heart, don't believe me? just look at the FACTS, well, the ones i put infront of you anyway, none of the other stuff that people make up, they only dislike him because of his weight and some of them think he's a c***, nothing to do with him being a greedy, arrogant, and to be quite honest, stupid man

we are talking about the performance on the field Johnny. Unless you think the chairman told the managers who to buy, who to play, etc etc, it boils down to the managers. This has been discussed, there is no way you can blame a chairman for players underperforming, as in 2 FA Cup Finals for instance. The job of the chairman and board stops at backing the manager, and that is what they have all done. They have all been backed with money and backing to put together teams good enough to have won trophies, and they have all won trophies previously to show that they also had the capability to do it. Especially Dalglish. And as we have also said, Sir John did not appoint Keegan, he didn't think of him, and he was outvoted when it came to appointing him, so you can't give him any credit for it, that goes to the 3 people who did ie Shepherd, hall Jnr and Fletcher. so taking the club forward gets the owners a pat on the back, and failing to capitalise on it and going backwards is the fault of the players, nice one I don't believe I said that. It's always the players who play. I do believe however, that you are looking like one of those people who are unable to differentiate between the different roles of players and directors. Nor do you understand that major shareholders of a multi million pound company don't normally leave the entire major decisions to someone else, and don't have any input, but we know that you are only spouting this nonsense to satisfy your agenda. au contraire, i understand everything here, including the excruciatingly difficult concept to grasp that a players role is different to a directors, are you having a laugh? i just think that freddy shepherd is a stupid c*** that we're better off without, and you dont, that's the only real difference between me and you, could you consider stopping thinking that everyone that doesnt agree with you either doesn't know the facts, or is just too daft to know what they mean? i'd love to know what my agenda is, by the way, because freddy's gone and the majority of people think he was a t*** anyway, i'd have to have a screw loose to be devoting my spare time to wrecking his 'good name' haha. Now you are looking a bit daft. If you think Shepherd is a dick and we are better off without him, then 87 clubs watched us enviously playing in europe regularly, and brought top class players to the club for a canny few years. As usual, I don't expect you to get a perspective, rather than chase a silly agenda. Also, if you think we were better off without the ex board, you wouldn't last 5 minutes supporting a club with a real s**** board. As usual, ALL of your post concerns the personality, which affects your judgement, but I suspect you aren't capable of seeing this. I don't expect you to take up factual issues rather than personalities or you would have done so by now. I'm not having a laugh ref my remarks about the difference in roles between players and directors, I think you - and many others - don't understand this. You clearly don't seem to understand when the job a director does becomes that of the player. BTW, I'll only think we are better off without the ex board, when someone comes along and does better. The fact that you can't grasp this fairly basic concept says everything. i can grasp the concept of your opinion, its not hard, i just disagree, they did a good job initially and then did a really s*** job and took us backwards, therefore i think we're better off without them, its ok though, i can disagree with you and still feel ok about it because its not disturbing to me that someone has different opinion to mine, i have no agenda You don't grasp the concept at all. From your posts it looks like you're posting on an entirely different subject. There's no doubt at all from your comments that your gripe with the previous board is nothing to do with how they ran the football club but is more to do with Fred being fat. mackems.gif I don't think you really have a clue what the previous board achieved for the football club. If you do know, then you have no grasp of the history of the club, given how you dismiss it so easily. Perhaps you think we have a divine right to win a trophy? I don't know, so you tell me. The reality is there is only so much any board can do. If they put in place everything it takes for the manager to build a team/squad capable of 3 top 5 finishes in a row, even though the league is the true measure I'd suggest that team is capable of winning a cup competition at least. If they fail to do so it can be for any number of reasons but it is not down to the incompetence of the board. This is really, really, really easy to understand once you can see past Fred being fat, a c**t or whatever other idiotic and childish label you want to pin on him. What happened was they made one terrible managerial appointment. I'm not underestimating how serious this was because it's the most important decision they have to make and they got it badly wrong with Souness. They then failed to put it right with Roeder, although he wasn't a disaster like Souness. Perhaps they got it right with Allardyce? If so, what will you and your type moan about then, I wonder? again, i UNDERSTAND all of that, i just have a difference of opinion, but if it suits you, you're right, i'm wrong, sick of this now anyway and by the way i'm not a moaner, i am definitely a glass half full supporter, fred's a c*** You still don't see the difference between what a director does for a club and what a player does. Your OPINION may be that Fred is fat, or Fred is a c***, but what they did for the club is factual, and has absolutely nothing to do with "opinion". That is all. haha, yep, i still dont see it, explain it for me then. i've never mentioned weight, i have called him a cunt though, and will continue to, because he's a prize cunt

agree on both counts

we are talking about the performance on the field Johnny. Unless you think the chairman told the managers who to buy, who to play, etc etc, it boils down to the managers. This has been discussed, there is no way you can blame a chairman for players underperforming, as in 2 FA Cup Finals for instance. The job of the chairman and board stops at backing the manager, and that is what they have all done. They have all been backed with money and backing to put together teams good enough to have won trophies, and they have all won trophies previously to show that they also had the capability to do it. Especially Dalglish. And as we have also said, Sir John did not appoint Keegan, he didn't think of him, and he was outvoted when it came to appointing him, so you can't give him any credit for it, that goes to the 3 people who did ie Shepherd, hall Jnr and Fletcher. so taking the club forward gets the owners a pat on the back, and failing to capitalise on it and going backwards is the fault of the players, nice one I don't believe I said that. It's always the players who play. I do believe however, that you are looking like one of those people who are unable to differentiate between the different roles of players and directors. Nor do you understand that major shareholders of a multi million pound company don't normally leave the entire major decisions to someone else, and don't have any input, but we know that you are only spouting this nonsense to satisfy your agenda. au contraire, i understand everything here, including the excruciatingly difficult concept to grasp that a players role is different to a directors, are you having a laugh? i just think that freddy shepherd is a stupid c*** that we're better off without, and you dont, that's the only real difference between me and you, could you consider stopping thinking that everyone that doesnt agree with you either doesn't know the facts, or is just too daft to know what they mean? i'd love to know what my agenda is, by the way, because freddy's gone and the majority of people think he was a t*** anyway, i'd have to have a screw loose to be devoting my spare time to wrecking his 'good name' haha. Now you are looking a bit daft. If you think Shepherd is a dick and we are better off without him, then 87 clubs watched us enviously playing in europe regularly, and brought top class players to the club for a canny few years. As usual, I don't expect you to get a perspective, rather than chase a silly agenda. Also, if you think we were better off without the ex board, you wouldn't last 5 minutes supporting a club with a real s**** board. As usual, ALL of your post concerns the personality, which affects your judgement, but I suspect you aren't capable of seeing this. I don't expect you to take up factual issues rather than personalities or you would have done so by now. I'm not having a laugh ref my remarks about the difference in roles between players and directors, I think you - and many others - don't understand this. You clearly don't seem to understand when the job a director does becomes that of the player. BTW, I'll only think we are better off without the ex board, when someone comes along and does better. The fact that you can't grasp this fairly basic concept says everything. i can grasp the concept of your opinion, its not hard, i just disagree, they did a good job initially and then did a really s*** job and took us backwards, therefore i think we're better off without them, its ok though, i can disagree with you and still feel ok about it because its not disturbing to me that someone has different opinion to mine, i have no agenda You don't grasp the concept at all. From your posts it looks like you're posting on an entirely different subject. There's no doubt at all from your comments that your gripe with the previous board is nothing to do with how they ran the football club but is more to do with Fred being fat. mackems.gif I don't think you really have a clue what the previous board achieved for the football club. If you do know, then you have no grasp of the history of the club, given how you dismiss it so easily. Perhaps you think we have a divine right to win a trophy? I don't know, so you tell me. The reality is there is only so much any board can do. If they put in place everything it takes for the manager to build a team/squad capable of 3 top 5 finishes in a row, even though the league is the true measure I'd suggest that team is capable of winning a cup competition at least. If they fail to do so it can be for any number of reasons but it is not down to the incompetence of the board. This is really, really, really easy to understand once you can see past Fred being fat, a c**t or whatever other idiotic and childish label you want to pin on him. What happened was they made one terrible managerial appointment. I'm not underestimating how serious this was because it's the most important decision they have to make and they got it badly wrong with Souness. They then failed to put it right with Roeder, although he wasn't a disaster like Souness. Perhaps they got it right with Allardyce? If so, what will you and your type moan about then, I wonder? again, i UNDERSTAND all of that, i just have a difference of opinion, but if it suits you, you're right, i'm wrong, sick of this now anyway and by the way i'm not a moaner, i am definitely a glass half full supporter, fred's a c*** I don't care whether you think I'm right or wrong, I'm just pointing out that your criticism of the previous board isn't based on how they performed in their relative roles, rather it's based on Fred being overweight. allow me to roll my eyes back at you mate, because i've not mentioned weight at all, read before you post. Your posts clearly indicate that you "dislike" the man despite not knowing him, so "fat" will do. It makes the point that whatever the reason is for this dislike it's nowt to do with his performance in his job. I'd sooner refer to "fat" to make the point than referencing the daft tripe you actually do write. haha, nice try

it's a transitional season though in sams view, i think he's setting us up, i'd expect a lot of changes next summer so he can bring in players that are suited to 4-3-3

we are talking about the performance on the field Johnny. Unless you think the chairman told the managers who to buy, who to play, etc etc, it boils down to the managers. This has been discussed, there is no way you can blame a chairman for players underperforming, as in 2 FA Cup Finals for instance. The job of the chairman and board stops at backing the manager, and that is what they have all done. They have all been backed with money and backing to put together teams good enough to have won trophies, and they have all won trophies previously to show that they also had the capability to do it. Especially Dalglish. And as we have also said, Sir John did not appoint Keegan, he didn't think of him, and he was outvoted when it came to appointing him, so you can't give him any credit for it, that goes to the 3 people who did ie Shepherd, hall Jnr and Fletcher. so taking the club forward gets the owners a pat on the back, and failing to capitalise on it and going backwards is the fault of the players, nice one I don't believe I said that. It's always the players who play. I do believe however, that you are looking like one of those people who are unable to differentiate between the different roles of players and directors. Nor do you understand that major shareholders of a multi million pound company don't normally leave the entire major decisions to someone else, and don't have any input, but we know that you are only spouting this nonsense to satisfy your agenda. au contraire, i understand everything here, including the excruciatingly difficult concept to grasp that a players role is different to a directors, are you having a laugh? i just think that freddy shepherd is a stupid c*** that we're better off without, and you dont, that's the only real difference between me and you, could you consider stopping thinking that everyone that doesnt agree with you either doesn't know the facts, or is just too daft to know what they mean? i'd love to know what my agenda is, by the way, because freddy's gone and the majority of people think he was a t*** anyway, i'd have to have a screw loose to be devoting my spare time to wrecking his 'good name' haha. Now you are looking a bit daft. If you think Shepherd is a dick and we are better off without him, then 87 clubs watched us enviously playing in europe regularly, and brought top class players to the club for a canny few years. As usual, I don't expect you to get a perspective, rather than chase a silly agenda. Also, if you think we were better off without the ex board, you wouldn't last 5 minutes supporting a club with a real s**** board. As usual, ALL of your post concerns the personality, which affects your judgement, but I suspect you aren't capable of seeing this. I don't expect you to take up factual issues rather than personalities or you would have done so by now. I'm not having a laugh ref my remarks about the difference in roles between players and directors, I think you - and many others - don't understand this. You clearly don't seem to understand when the job a director does becomes that of the player. BTW, I'll only think we are better off without the ex board, when someone comes along and does better. The fact that you can't grasp this fairly basic concept says everything. i can grasp the concept of your opinion, its not hard, i just disagree, they did a good job initially and then did a really s*** job and took us backwards, therefore i think we're better off without them, its ok though, i can disagree with you and still feel ok about it because its not disturbing to me that someone has different opinion to mine, i have no agenda You don't grasp the concept at all. From your posts it looks like you're posting on an entirely different subject. There's no doubt at all from your comments that your gripe with the previous board is nothing to do with how they ran the football club but is more to do with Fred being fat. mackems.gif I don't think you really have a clue what the previous board achieved for the football club. If you do know, then you have no grasp of the history of the club, given how you dismiss it so easily. Perhaps you think we have a divine right to win a trophy? I don't know, so you tell me. The reality is there is only so much any board can do. If they put in place everything it takes for the manager to build a team/squad capable of 3 top 5 finishes in a row, even though the league is the true measure I'd suggest that team is capable of winning a cup competition at least. If they fail to do so it can be for any number of reasons but it is not down to the incompetence of the board. This is really, really, really easy to understand once you can see past Fred being fat, a c**t or whatever other idiotic and childish label you want to pin on him. What happened was they made one terrible managerial appointment. I'm not underestimating how serious this was because it's the most important decision they have to make and they got it badly wrong with Souness. They then failed to put it right with Roeder, although he wasn't a disaster like Souness. Perhaps they got it right with Allardyce? If so, what will you and your type moan about then, I wonder? again, i UNDERSTAND all of that, i just have a difference of opinion, but if it suits you, you're right, i'm wrong, sick of this now anyway and by the way i'm not a moaner, i am definitely a glass half full supporter, fred's a c*** I don't care whether you think I'm right or wrong, I'm just pointing out that your criticism of the previous board isn't based on how they performed in their relative roles, rather it's based on Fred being overweight. allow me to roll my eyes back at you mate, because i've not mentioned weight at all, read before you post.

we are talking about the performance on the field Johnny. Unless you think the chairman told the managers who to buy, who to play, etc etc, it boils down to the managers. This has been discussed, there is no way you can blame a chairman for players underperforming, as in 2 FA Cup Finals for instance. The job of the chairman and board stops at backing the manager, and that is what they have all done. They have all been backed with money and backing to put together teams good enough to have won trophies, and they have all won trophies previously to show that they also had the capability to do it. Especially Dalglish. And as we have also said, Sir John did not appoint Keegan, he didn't think of him, and he was outvoted when it came to appointing him, so you can't give him any credit for it, that goes to the 3 people who did ie Shepherd, hall Jnr and Fletcher. so taking the club forward gets the owners a pat on the back, and failing to capitalise on it and going backwards is the fault of the players, nice one I don't believe I said that. It's always the players who play. I do believe however, that you are looking like one of those people who are unable to differentiate between the different roles of players and directors. Nor do you understand that major shareholders of a multi million pound company don't normally leave the entire major decisions to someone else, and don't have any input, but we know that you are only spouting this nonsense to satisfy your agenda. au contraire, i understand everything here, including the excruciatingly difficult concept to grasp that a players role is different to a directors, are you having a laugh? i just think that freddy shepherd is a stupid c*** that we're better off without, and you dont, that's the only real difference between me and you, could you consider stopping thinking that everyone that doesnt agree with you either doesn't know the facts, or is just too daft to know what they mean? i'd love to know what my agenda is, by the way, because freddy's gone and the majority of people think he was a t*** anyway, i'd have to have a screw loose to be devoting my spare time to wrecking his 'good name' haha. Now you are looking a bit daft. If you think Shepherd is a dick and we are better off without him, then 87 clubs watched us enviously playing in europe regularly, and brought top class players to the club for a canny few years. As usual, I don't expect you to get a perspective, rather than chase a silly agenda. Also, if you think we were better off without the ex board, you wouldn't last 5 minutes supporting a club with a real s**** board. As usual, ALL of your post concerns the personality, which affects your judgement, but I suspect you aren't capable of seeing this. I don't expect you to take up factual issues rather than personalities or you would have done so by now. I'm not having a laugh ref my remarks about the difference in roles between players and directors, I think you - and many others - don't understand this. You clearly don't seem to understand when the job a director does becomes that of the player. BTW, I'll only think we are better off without the ex board, when someone comes along and does better. The fact that you can't grasp this fairly basic concept says everything. i can grasp the concept of your opinion, its not hard, i just disagree, they did a good job initially and then did a really s*** job and took us backwards, therefore i think we're better off without them, its ok though, i can disagree with you and still feel ok about it because its not disturbing to me that someone has different opinion to mine, i have no agenda You don't grasp the concept at all. From your posts it looks like you're posting on an entirely different subject. There's no doubt at all from your comments that your gripe with the previous board is nothing to do with how they ran the football club but is more to do with Fred being fat. mackems.gif I don't think you really have a clue what the previous board achieved for the football club. If you do know, then you have no grasp of the history of the club, given how you dismiss it so easily. Perhaps you think we have a divine right to win a trophy? I don't know, so you tell me. The reality is there is only so much any board can do. If they put in place everything it takes for the manager to build a team/squad capable of 3 top 5 finishes in a row, even though the league is the true measure I'd suggest that team is capable of winning a cup competition at least. If they fail to do so it can be for any number of reasons but it is not down to the incompetence of the board. This is really, really, really easy to understand once you can see past Fred being fat, a c**t or whatever other idiotic and childish label you want to pin on him. What happened was they made one terrible managerial appointment. I'm not underestimating how serious this was because it's the most important decision they have to make and they got it badly wrong with Souness. They then failed to put it right with Roeder, although he wasn't a disaster like Souness. Perhaps they got it right with Allardyce? If so, what will you and your type moan about then, I wonder? again, i UNDERSTAND all of that, i just have a difference of opinion, but if it suits you, you're right, i'm wrong, sick of this now anyway and by the way i'm not a moaner, i am definitely a glass half full supporter, fred's a cunt

nice to see absolutely no-one's been listening to me and its come as such a surprise that he'll never play milner on the right