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Who knows ?

I don't know if there has been any serious stuff written in this thread but if the OP really does have a interview lined up with Mr Ranger. I would be very interested to hear his views on the last days of KK's rein. Were there any signs of what was to happen ? Were the players kept informed ? What was his take on Milners adeparture ? Ho does he rate the two new guys ?

Hmmm Rijkaard may be another that would get me over my KK's gone blues.

As you say, usually fans are over the moon to get rid of a manager, whether its them being forced to resign or being sacked thru crap results....not when you've had a decent start to the season and love the manager in place. Cant say im at all excited about the next boss, i dont think too many good managers are interested and any managers who are, i would say i'd rather have KK. That's the problem there is partically no one out there. Moyes and Mancini are the only options that excite, but Moyes won't come under this structure and Mancini's interested in the West Ham job so maybe hes not as good as I thought.

Interesting stuff, I'm not going to doubt your source, just one quick question though, why would keegan go along with "he resigned", there's nothing in it for him to and everything in it for him to have been sacked ? I never said he resigned. The club were desperate to have him back when they realised the backlash that was occuring. Keegan was not prepared to come back to the regime that was being proposed, i.e him being a coach not a manager. No KK himself said he resigned. What you have wrote implies he was sacked then asked to come back. My question was what's in it for KK to say he resigned, it way more likely that he'll get a good package if he was sacked. Nothing in it for him to cover the allegeded sacking up.

Anyone know the latest odds, I don't really want to go on a gambling site at work, doesn't really give the right impression

Interesting stuff, I'm not going to doubt your source, just one quick question though, why would keegan go along with "he resigned", there's nothing in it for him to and everything in it for him to have been sacked ?

Didn't think this warranted a thread of it's own but someone sent me this link, obviously created by one of those that keep telling us how we are not a big club, in fact they've gone to the effort of building a web page to prove it. Can someone call the internet police for their use of the badge? www.northwestblues.co.uk/GeordieShop.html

Here we go. Deportivo coach turns us down... That would make sense, seems like the bulk of our scouting team have season tickets there.

I've got to say I'm more than a little worried about the atomosphire on Saturday. What we need is a huge roar to start things off and undying support of the team throughout the game, big applause at the end to thank the players for their commitment and professionalism. Then protest to your hearts content about the way things have transpired. After this game though I hope the fans show support to the new man, who should be in place before the next game. It'll be hard for anyone to follow KK as it it, not having full support of the crowd will make it almost impossible.

On a completely different note. Isn't it a bit surreal that there is so little attention being paid to who somes in next ? It's been the sole focus after the previous departures, says a lot about the impact KK has on us all and at the end of this day this lack of attention may be a blessing for the board as they can get on with identfying the right man (or woman, you just never know) to take over.

The board at the end of the day are accountable and have to accept the brunt of the blame even for the Manager's actions, they appointed him after all. From the statements that have been made by both camps, it's clear that the DOF thing and purchasing of players, which sounds to have been the root of the problems, the goalposts have changed. We were told KK had the final say, however right or wrong he is with his decisions, he should have been allowed to stand by them. Instead he was undermined, overruled and players were brought in without his approval. Then we are told that KK didn't have final say after all !!! You can not move goalposts like this or expecting managers to cover up for your lies indefinitely. A lot of fans will give KK an easy ride, because he's KK, I do not deny that, but that doesn't make them wrong here. He's shown once again to be a man of principle who is quite prepared to walk away from something if he does not believe in it. He is somewhat of a hot head and seems to do a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but the fact that it took so long for this to be confirmed suggests that he was persuadable here, things could have been done to prevent him leaving, they weren't and the rest is history. For me the board take blame for this because KK as manager of NUFC was the best for the club IMO, not a DOF structure. Give KK the best environment to thieve in not expect him to compromise his own beliefs to fit within a structure that does not in his opinion play to his strengths. There was a small minority saying things werent right at the start of the transfer window, I think you were one of the people pretty vocal about telling us that we were wrong. Well it looks like we were proved to be right. Now you want to join this minority saying its not the board fault, well Im sorry but I sincerely doubt too many will ever share that opinion. afar, i was with you all summer on the spending thing but you're losing me here like they're both to blame, that's all there is too it Oh I'm not saying KK is blameless, but at the end of the day, it's the board who appointed him, it's the board who take the brunt of the blame IMO. They appointed the wrong man to fit within their structure, that was their first mistake, they made plenty more on the way to his departure. EDIT: Just there are some people on here that want to put this all down to KK being a huffy b******, which he is for sure, but it's not as simple as that. no that's fair enough - people were quick enough to slate FS for appointing souness and rightly so in hindsight but i don't remember too many people complaining when ashley did give him the job, do you? hindsight is maybe the best word to use here, in hindsight it was always gonna fail but we omitted it from our minds due to the upturn in fortunes on the field and for the simple love everyone has for the guy and him for the club i'm like you but tired of the "lets drive ashley out of town on a burning cart while poking him with sticks" bridage that were f***ing slating me and you all summer for saying the slightest thing wrong about the guy well it's come home to roost for them hasn't it afar? anyways i'd like to see ashley bought out now but if he isn't we need to move on, the club are progressing, slowly, we need to remember that I don't think the make up of the structure was clear to us when KK was appointed. Even the doopiest of us on here if armed with full knowledge of the structure would have questioned the appointment of KK to fit within it. Through the summer, I just wanted to be shown some sign of ambition, some sign that we were focussed on more than just the bottom line. I'm still prepared to be turned on that, Ashley has a huge task on his hands atm, if he gets it right I'll be more than happy to support him. But at this moment in time I have very little faith in them to make any sensible decisions.

The board at the end of the day are accountable and have to accept the brunt of the blame even for the Manager's actions, they appointed him after all. From the statements that have been made by both camps, it's clear that the DOF thing and purchasing of players, which sounds to have been the root of the problems, the goalposts have changed. We were told KK had the final say, however right or wrong he is with his decisions, he should have been allowed to stand by them. Instead he was undermined, overruled and players were brought in without his approval. Then we are told that KK didn't have final say after all !!! You can not move goalposts like this or expecting managers to cover up for your lies indefinitely. A lot of fans will give KK an easy ride, because he's KK, I do not deny that, but that doesn't make them wrong here. He's shown once again to be a man of principle who is quite prepared to walk away from something if he does not believe in it. He is somewhat of a hot head and seems to do a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but the fact that it took so long for this to be confirmed suggests that he was persuadable here, things could have been done to prevent him leaving, they weren't and the rest is history. For me the board take blame for this because KK as manager of NUFC was the best for the club IMO, not a DOF structure. Give KK the best environment to thieve in not expect him to compromise his own beliefs to fit within a structure that does not in his opinion play to his strengths. There was a small minority saying things weren’t right at the start of the transfer window, I think you were one of the people pretty vocal about telling us that we were wrong. Well it looks like we were proved to be right. Now you want to join this minority saying it’s not the board fault, well I’m sorry but I sincerely doubt too many will ever share that opinion. afar, i was with you all summer on the spending thing but you're losing me here like they're both to blame, that's all there is too it Oh I'm not saying KK is blameless, but at the end of the day, it's the board who appointed him, it's the board who take the brunt of the blame IMO. They appointed the wrong man to fit within their structure, that was their first mistake, they made plenty more on the way to his departure. EDIT: Just there are some people on here that want to put this all down to KK being a huffy bastard, which he is for sure, but it's not as simple as that.

why? if the new guy knows the score and is comfotable with it, i.e. aligns his transfer targets (not necessarily names) with those of the people in charge then tell me why it couldn't work? they have this structure a fair bit on the continent don't they? oh, and all this talk of keegans list that people don't believe - if any of you think for a moment it will have been anywhere near the clubs "policy" then you're dreaming...i honestly think will have been closer to a ronaldinho than a xisco myself Hey MrM, you're not supposed to disagree with me, we're the miserable bastards, if we don't stick together what hope is there in this world. If you read Yorkie's post he's talking about a continental young guy, I think. At the end of the day, it's got to be someone who is prepared to work under the structure. That should be the focus for Ashley and his team, not necessarily the name the fans want, not the popular choice, it's got to be a difficult choice and an extremely brave one for Ashley. If he does go out there and gets that type of guy, then we fans have a responsibility to get totally behind the new guy and move on from the KK era once more. But TBH whoever is brought in needs our backing, I hope the fans don't behave in "but it's not KK" type of way.

The board at the end of the day are accountable and have to accept the brunt of the blame even for the Manager's actions, they appointed him after all. From the statements that have been made by both camps, it's clear that the DOF thing and purchasing of players, which sounds to have been the root of the problems, the goalposts have changed. We were told KK had the final say, however right or wrong he is with his decisions, he should have been allowed to stand by them. Instead he was undermined, overruled and players were brought in without his approval. Then we are told that KK didn't have final say after all !!! You can not move goalposts like this or expecting managers to cover up for your lies indefinitely. A lot of fans will give KK an easy ride, because he's KK, I do not deny that, but that doesn't make them wrong here. He's shown once again to be a man of principle who is quite prepared to walk away from something if he does not believe in it. He is somewhat of a hot head and seems to do a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but the fact that it took so long for this to be confirmed suggests that he was persuadable here, things could have been done to prevent him leaving, they weren't and the rest is history. For me the board take blame for this because KK as manager of NUFC was the best for the club IMO, not a DOF structure. Give KK the best environment to thieve in not expect him to compromise his own beliefs to fit within a structure that does not in his opinion play to his strengths. There was a small minority saying things weren’t right at the start of the transfer window, I think you were one of the people pretty vocal about telling us that we were wrong. Well it looks like we were proved to be right. Now you want to join this minority saying it’s not the board fault, well I’m sorry but I sincerely doubt too many will ever share that opinion.

Because this whole situation has been blown completely out of proportion due to KK being a petulant t***, he basically refused to meet with the club to find a solution and preferred to get with his lawyers to screw as much money out of the club as possible. I'm not jumping to the defence of the board as they have clearly played a role in all of this but if keegan thought Smith was good enough and that we didn't need a new striker then he's an idiot, I'm just looking forward to them getting someone else in so we can put this whole thing behind us. Baggio if you think you are the voice of reason amongst the tidal of illinformed, KK god like can't do no wrong crap. Then you are sadly mistaken. Most if not all here accept that KK had a part to play iin this, I'm pretty sure he's not entirely blameless and he probably is trying to look out for himself in getting a package for leaving, like about 99% of us would in his position. As naive KK may have been for taking on the role in the first place, so too was Ashley in appointing him, he's virtually un sackable, an old fashioned type manager that would find working under a DOF system very difficult if not impossible. Ashley described his appointment as a "no brainer" need I remind you, if that was the case then he surely must have had an idea what best environment KK would need to perform well, SJH (the life president) should have been able to point him in the right direction, if he'd bothered to seek his counsel. They have handled things since it blew up like a bunch of amateurs, their PR is shambolic, they just have no idea how to communicate with the fans. But worst of all they've have made the job, which should be a hugely attractive one, almost untouchable by quality managers.

Baggio is a Mackem That would explain everthing actually.

I honestly have no idea who they will appoint. My choice would have been Moyes, but he'll not come under this set up, not in a million years. Yorkie actually made a great post earlier in this thread (he even refrained from hurling abuse about, well at least for one post ) about the preference being for a young unknown, wanting to prove themselves, type of manager. He's absolutely right, this is what the club will need under Ashley's set up however if we don't appoint another big name Ashley knows the pressure will rise even further on him, that's why I expect a big name, probably a has been or someone desperate enough to take it on Martin Jol, may be a good shout but would be a terrible appointment IMO.

Republic of Ireland international !!

Well I don't really post much at weekends, so forgive me for coming to the party late. Baggio, I honestly don't understand why you are still defending the board here. What hold do they have on you that triggers this un questionable defence for them ? Or is it just a deep down disliking for KK that's bringing you to this ? Even Mick has seen the light, FFS if NE5 and Mick agree on something surely that says everything about a situation ? I'm not blind enough to think KK didn't have a part to play in all this, I'm sure he was a little naive is accepting the job initially but he did it becasue he loves the club and felt he could bring back the good times. The clearly contradicting statement we have seen issued from the board over the weekend, shows either that the goalposts have been moved or that the previous statements about KK having final say on transfer activity and not reporting to Wise were complete lies. The worst part of this whole episode for me is that the board has made this job, which was already somewhat of a hard sell, a most unatractive position for managers with any nounce and quality about them. Our only hope for the future (assuming there's no buyout) is that we find someone who's talent is in coaching and has been ignorant of the events that have took place at the club over the last week. Good luck finding him

I'm sad to see Terry Mc go, the younger fans obviously see him more as a hanger on, but he was a fantastic player for us in both spells and was extremely important to KK first time around. Jobs for the boys maybe, but I think it's always good to have at least one or two around the management who have a genuine passion for the the club and Terry Mc certainly did. Anyway this looks like either fall out from the KK stuff and he's walked with his pal or a clear out for the new guy coming in. I'm not sure what the relationship Sadler had with KK but you would not have thought he would want to do anything to rock the boat, he's not going to be exactly beating off the offers of re-employment with a shitty stick. I can't see him walking in protest tbh. So the departure of Sadler also would suggest the new man is pretty close to joining.

Poyet would be a suicidal appointment by Ashley and he knows it, he would not be that stupid to appoint him. I will be shocked if the next appoint is not a very exciting one, ie a Moyes or some continental coach with a good track record. Or alternatively Shearer. He'll be looking to appease the fans. I will happily go on record and state Poyet will not be our next manager.

Perfect start for any new manager coming in. Hardly, with the fans turning on Ashley and still hankering after Keegan, it's going to be tough for anyone to come in. Totally agree. The players too were firmly behind KK apparently gaining their trust will be hard for anyone and dare I say near impossible for a wise/poyet combo.

Unfortunately this is the opinion of the bulk of the people porporting to be toon fans. This is what the mongs who Sky Sports are apt at picking out will tell the nation we want.

Well Im half Spanish, can I get the job, I don't mined being told what to do by Derek and Dennis ?