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That's the way I see it too. What's been said by all parties has been so twisted by the media and fans that I don't blame them for keeping quiet. Provided they are making progress and we get the right man eventually then I don't care how long it takes or whether they leak pointless shortlists to the media (who, according to our friend on Sky Sports earlier, can no longer get any info out of the club) So because we won't believe them, it's ok for them to say nothing ? It's not OK in the slightest FFS. I would love to see that one work in a court of law, the prosecution makes it's case paints a pretty bad picture, then the judge tells the defence it's their turn, but they say " oh the jury wouldn't believe us, so we'll not bother". It's about respecting your customer base (since we seem to be talking about NUFC as a business now more than a football club), those senior members of the board have shown zero respect for the customers since this whole episode has blown up.

Cheer up. Bassong seemed particularly perky today in his interview and according to CH the training went well, so I'm not sure how you know for sure there is low moral in the sqaud. As for 'knowing' some of our players wanting Wise and Ashley out, I take it this is based purely on Ngo Baheng joining a facebook group? I'm not trying to back up what Mr S here is saying but Hughton is hardly likely to say, "oh training was an absolute disaster, everyone was moping around because KK has gone". Take what hughton says here with a pinch of salt, the training probably wasn't a disaster but if you think the players are uneffected by KK's departure, then I'm sorry but you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I totally agree, in fact I would say West Ham are much less attractive than us, there manager left for more or less the same reason too. I guess with the length of time it took to confirm the Colocinni deal and Jonas's eligibility, we should have had some idea that they don't like to hurry things. My big issue at the moment is lack of communication, we've heard absolutely nothing directly from owner, MD or DOF, since he left. TBH I think that is downright disgusting, at least an attempt to repair the damaged caused by KK's departure and some official statement on progress being made should have beeen the minimum to expect by now.

For a supposedly very intelligent man, Ashley is showing a lot of evidence of sheer stupidity.

We actually won most of our trophies without a manager

Unfortunately Tsunami you're exactly right, some fans here are happy to cheer the balanced books at the expenses of any hope of success on the pitch. We've gone from a team who were challlenging at the top, to a team who where challenging for Europe, to a mid table team, to a team that's statisfied to remain in the top division. This clinging on to the hope that we'll be another "Arsenal" is fanciful in the extreme.

I thought you were Irish Liam

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? Well said. Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process. anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief. I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong. naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does. do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too? No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it. The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few. The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain. Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill? The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out. That's not really answering the question which was asked. I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA. What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club? I just wanted to quote this. You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards Well that wasn't exactly what I was after Who is being ungrateful now? Fuck, you're right.

Well I had a different reason for hating Oliver, than the populist "LOL, he said we were going to sign Brett Emerton and we never did" crowd. I was appalled at his integrity as a journalist because of his role as a mouthpiece for Shepherd. He would not print anything without the club OK, which is not journalism in my book it's propaganda. Anyway since he's lost his pipeline to information, he's really not stepped up at all to show us his has any journalistic talent, today's reference to Wiki is just further evidence that this guy is the luckiest man alive to have the job he has. Agree 100% with that. Which makes a change. f***ing hell I just seen a pig flying past the window in the office here. And I thought all hope was lost for you Tron, good to see there's still a chance to ward off the men in white coats Well, now you know I'm a man of reason you probably want to re-think some of your other opinions as well tbh Nah I don't think so, obviously I'm never wrong

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? Well said. Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process. anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief. I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong. naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does. do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too? No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it. The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few. The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain. Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill? The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out. That's not really answering the question which was asked. I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA. What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club? I just wanted to quote this. You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards Well that wasn't exactly what I was after

Well I had a different reason for hating Oliver, than the populist "LOL, he said we were going to sign Brett Emerton and we never did" crowd. I was appalled at his integrity as a journalist because of his role as a mouthpiece for Shepherd. He would not print anything without the club OK, which is not journalism in my book it's propaganda. Anyway since he's lost his pipeline to information, he's really not stepped up at all to show us his has any journalistic talent, today's reference to Wiki is just further evidence that this guy is the luckiest man alive to have the job he has. Agree 100% with that. Which makes a change. Fucking hell I just seen a pig flying past the window in the office here. And I thought all hope was lost for you Tron, good to see there's still a chance to ward off the men in white coats

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind — it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure — I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? Well said. Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process. anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief. I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong. naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does. do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too? No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it. The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few. The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain. Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill? The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out. That's not really answering the question which was asked. I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA. What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club? I just wanted to quote this. You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards

Well I had a different reason for hating Oliver, than the populist "LOL, he said we were going to sign Brett Emerton and we never did" crowd. I was appalled at his integrity as a journalist because of his role as a mouthpiece for Shepherd. He would not print anything without the club OK, which is not journalism in my book it's propaganda. Anyway since he's lost his pipeline to information, he's really not stepped up at all to show us his has any journalistic talent, today's reference to Wiki is just further evidence that this guy is the luckiest man alive to have the job he has.

OK just read a couple of posts here, seems we are having the same debate over 4 or 5 threads atm. Anyway forgive if the debate has moved on from this. Just wanted to point out that there is a simple way for "the truth to come out" as some are calling for. The club can start communicating with the fans. Tell us exactly what happened over the week and probably before. Lay out an honest account, with a timeline of events, let us make our own mind up on who's to blame. I find it quite shocking tbh, that we have seen not a single direct quote from owner or any of the directors since the close of the window. Nothing but faceless club statements (and not too many of them) have been issued. Of course we could as KK to do the same, give us his account of events as they unfolded. It's washing our dirty laundry in public but the alternative of hearsay and rumour is just as damaging to the club.

Yeah, he was rubbish. We paid £750,000 for him after we sold Gazza to Spurs. He was supposed to be our goal machine. We spunked the rest of the money on Andy Thorn and Dave Beasant, deeming it not necessary to replace Gazza because we had Ian Bogie. We got relegated. He wasn't rubbish, just wasn't given time to settle in, crowd got on his back to quickly and we got all our money back from Hearts when we sold him back. The fact that the manager who bought them at the time was an absolute clown too didn't help matters. Beasant, Hendry and Robertson could have been very good players for the club, and went on to prove it at other clubs. Just awfully managed and the crowd weren't prepared to give them a chance. Loosing 4-0 in the first game at Everton didn't help matters. The whole club was a circus back then from the board through to the management. Jim Smith wanted to make his mark and brought in a bunch of has beens to try to save us from relegation while scarificing the players who could have been our future. We also got more or less our money back on both Hendry and Beasant.

how is Ince worse than Poyet? To be honest both are bad, but at least Ince has managed a football club before.

Keep out of it, I've got enough on my plate with those other bastards without you joining in. Sorry Mick I'll leave you be.

Do the council still own the land, I thought that the club bought it out during SJH's time, it wouldn't make sense if they didn't since they were trying to build a casino on some land of theirs around SJP, I'm pretty sure the metro station is actually on NUFC owned land.

I've often wondered that, their relationship does seem eerily familiar. One says black the other says white. I don't want to speculate who's pitching and who's catching though

Unfortunately, I don't think we can safely say he's out of the running. I don't buy in to the crap that he wouldn't want to come, managing a huge club, working with his mate, getting a bumper pay rise ! Purely from a financial point of view it's a no brainer for him. Lets see stay where he is, less hassle and probably the next Spurs manager when Ramos moves on or move to a club in turmoil where the fans will hate him. No brainer is right Jesus are you the spawn of Baggio ? Take my quote highlight part of a line then twist it, is that the best you could do ?. Why didn't you highlight "Purely from a financial point of view" ? Yes of course he'll weigh up the comfort levels he's currently enjoying, but he'll only turn the job down, if offered, if he lacks any sort of ambition or has no desire to increase his income possibly ten fold. Oh dear, it seems like someone's idea of a debate is to throw their toys out of the pram when someone disagrees with them. No I think you'll find that's you. I don't have a problem in the slightest with people who have a different view to me. I just get pissed off when people try to twist my words to try to make their own point valid. You have done that, by clearly not reading my post and this guy has by highlight only half of a statement. I don't think it's me you angry little man. So I've turned from a soccermom to an angry little man, I'm quite the gender crosser aren't I.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can safely say he's out of the running. I don't buy in to the crap that he wouldn't want to come, managing a huge club, working with his mate, getting a bumper pay rise ! Purely from a financial point of view it's a no brainer for him. Lets see stay where he is, less hassle and probably the next Spurs manager when Ramos moves on or move to a club in turmoil where the fans will hate him. No brainer is right Jesus are you the spawn of Baggio ? Take my quote highlight part of a line then twist it, is that the best you could do ?. Why didn't you highlight "Purely from a financial point of view" ? Yes of course he'll weigh up the comfort levels he's currently enjoying, but he'll only turn the job down, if offered, if he lacks any sort of ambition or has no desire to increase his income possibly ten fold. Lacking ambition is not a reason for him to turn it down but preservation of his reputation is. If it's only the money that brings him then I'll be happy for him not to bother. I think with the exception of Tron and Baggio, we'll all be happy if he doesn't bother.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can safely say he's out of the running. I don't buy in to the crap that he wouldn't want to come, managing a huge club, working with his mate, getting a bumper pay rise ! Purely from a financial point of view it's a no brainer for him. Lets see stay where he is, less hassle and probably the next Spurs manager when Ramos moves on or move to a club in turmoil where the fans will hate him. No brainer is right Jesus are you the spawn of Baggio ? Take my quote highlight part of a line then twist it, is that the best you could do ?. Why didn't you highlight "Purely from a financial point of view" ? Yes of course he'll weigh up the comfort levels he's currently enjoying, but he'll only turn the job down, if offered, if he lacks any sort of ambition or has no desire to increase his income possibly ten fold. Oh dear, it seems like someone's idea of a debate is to throw their toys out of the pram when someone disagrees with them. No I think you'll find that's you. I don't have a problem in the slightest with people who have a different view to me. I just get pissed off when people try to twist my words to try to make their own point valid. You have done that, by clearly not reading my post and this guy has by highlight only half of a statement.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can safely say he's out of the running. I don't buy in to the crap that he wouldn't want to come, managing a huge club, working with his mate, getting a bumper pay rise ! Purely from a financial point of view it's a no brainer for him. Lets see stay where he is, less hassle and probably the next Spurs manager when Ramos moves on or move to a club in turmoil where the fans will hate him. No brainer is right Jesus are you the spawn of Baggio ? Take my quote highlight part of a line then twist it, is that the best you could do ?. Why didn't you highlight "Purely from a financial point of view" ? Yes of course he'll weigh up the comfort levels he's currently enjoying, but he'll only turn the job down, if offered, if he lacks any sort of ambition or has no desire to increase his income possibly ten fold.

Did Roeder not happen ?? Roeder's problem was his ineptitude as a manager: signing players and building a squad. Our next appointment won't have to worry about that. He still has to pick the players to play. He also has to have some charisma to motivate and influence them. Hughton doesn't appear to have anymore of these qualities than Roeder did. Even under a DOF structure the manager needs to be a strong person and have the ability to man manage, coaching is just one aspect of his job.

Got to agree, clinging to the hope of a buyout but it's just not going to happen I'm not so sure - you don't have to be "investor of the year" to realise that you should buy when things are down, and sell when they are up, and things could hardly be more down at NUFC than they are at the moment. In this context, it would seem like the ideal time for an outside interest to make a move. As to why Ashley would be prepared to sell, well that hardly needs spelling out, as the "fun" he's allegedly been seeking all along has completely evaporated, and from here on in he's as likely to be buying rounds of ammunition to fend off the fans, as rounds of drinks to celebrate with them. Btw, I'm not saying that I think a takeover will happen, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility. I hope you're right. I've just become acustomed to good things not happening to us. Even when we were bought out by a Billionaire, he proved to be tighther than a ducks behind. This story was just too good to be true.