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Just now, Kid Icarus said:

It's obviously a problem and not limited to England either, but to make the claim that we all secretly don't want black players playing for England and just aren't being honest about it is quite the insane and offensive leap to be making like. 

Perhaps man, but I can't tell you how uncomfortable it is having to wrestle with these kind of thoughts when that stuff comes up.

I don't even know if it's a racism thing per se. or more what the one guy said about the tribalism of it all. The whole thing is just crazy to me to be honest.

Just now, Shearergol said:

Why am I even debating this?

 

It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

 

it’s this line people are objecting to. Nobody is claiming that racism doesn’t exist.

Well how do you expect black people to view the sort of reactions we continue to see?

No one is going to come out and say they do these things. So who are all these people doing this stuff and how can we really know how many are like this. 

It's a hell of a mind fuck that's for sure. I wouldn't want any child of mine having to deal with that at all.

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

To think this is also the person that thinks everyone's too sensitive these days

You think I'm bein sensitive?

We'll see man. I'm just looking at what I see going on around me.

Look back over my history I'm not one to go on about racism or anything like that.

I just think with the Saudi's throwing around the kind of money they are, you'll be increasingly be surprised by the calibre of players from Africa and South America that choose to start going there.

3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I just don't see how you can jump to Saudi Arabia being the place to go 

Well most of these players are just looking for an opportunity to make a living with their skill. They'll definitely take that option more and more given the chance. Especially when these issues of abuse continue to be such a problem.

8 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

You’ve basically just told us that all England fans want rid of the black players. Fuck off man 

It's easy for you to rubbish it because your not the one that has to put up with those kind of stories all the time.

I would never advise any of those players to continue to put themselves through that. It's disgraceful.

Just now, Shearergol said:

Wow. Kaka goes full kaka

I'm telling you it's going to happen.

If in this day and age a kid as pleasant as Saka can still be getting racially abused by England fans, then for me there is absolutely no hope.

We also had the Vinicius drama this year and now this Gaultier nonsense. The Saudi option is a viable threat and these players are going to start opting for that instead.

27 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m ok with that, tbf.  I don’t follow Newcastle because of the players who play - it’s because I’m from Newcastle.  I was there watching football in the old second division which was unimaginably poor compared to what you’ll see today. Football is tribal; it isn’t about quality. 

Yeah, I think it's probably for the best for English football as I think most of you feel this way. It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

I think things are getting so divisive now we'll eventually see most players of African origin in the Saudi/Middle Eastern leagues leagues and Europe will go back to having mostly Caucasian players.

20 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

Anyone worth buying?

If we are after a young right footed ball playing defender, they have that Tanguy Nianzou that they got from Bayern last year that is very highly rated. Believe he first came through the PSG  academy. 

15 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

Anyone who suffered discrimination under him or had their career held back because of the colour of their skin should have the right to sue. Potential jail time for those comments though I think is too much.

 

Similar I think too what happens here with Beardsley.

 

 

Anyway the comments are,  'You have built a team of scum. There are only blacks and half the team go to the mosque on Friday'

Saudis will be rubbing their hands. 

Going to start poaching a lot more players in their prime. It's going to be such an easy sell. Get paid 3 times more than they are on now, and not have to deal with all this nonsense.

'Only blacks' won't be an issue for too much longer. Just watch.

25 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

They’re using the club as and when they see fit. They’re using the ground to host a friendly that is part of their obvious and ongoing sportswashing project.

 

I mean, we can get as teary eyed as we like at the Robson quote, but we are happily letting the club being used for the purposes of bolstering the Saudi regime.

 

You might not care, you might care but have opted to accept it (I suppose I’m in this camp, and it was a stance I was attacked for when it was Mike Ashley who owned them), but you can’t say they’re not doing something that they are blatantly doing. I honestly think that an official announcement on this game will be a dark day for Newcastle United. It’s a confirmation of a strategy that we are going to be unable to distract ourselves from for much longer- no matter how many wor flag displays or Sam Fender wearing toon shirts at his gigs. 

 

 

To be honest I think it's just a matter of time now before you'll have your club back, and all these middle east owners leave, because they are going to build up their own leagues and more top players are going to head over there from much earlier on in their careers.

The world worships money and they have a ton of it. They are eventually going to takeover the game completely.

Between the increasing issues with their ownership and the increasing issues clubs in Europe have with accommodating players from different backgrounds, I think a lot of players, particularly players from Africa and South America are going to head out there initially, and soon many more will follow.

35 minutes ago, STM said:

Screenshot worked 

Looks good man. Enjoy it.

As already mentioned think that is the badge that features on the authentic kits.

1 minute ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Maybe overtime we can positively change their perspective through the club ? 

 

I mean a women's team is one small step in the right direction.

 

The fact Amanda has such a positive presence another?

 

 

This is one of the things that has to be appreciated about them is that their ownership is very much in the back ground and the running of the club is not influenced in any way by how they conduct things in their country.

In fact the running of the club is essentially being done by Amanda and Mehrdad, as well as the Reubens, in the best way they see fit, and the owners just sign off on stuff so the funds get released.

They're not really looking to run the club top to bottom at all. Mostly just backing Amanda/Mehrdad and the Reubens with funds. 

25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

If we are to abide by FFP we need to adopt a model similar to to the RB teams and Dortmund. Eg buying young players and selling high. Once you get a couple £70m sales you can really have fun. 
 

I think we spend a lot of money in this window anyway. 

Seems like we are doing just fine.

I agree, I think we will end up spending good money. We are just being very selective over who we ultimately move for.

Maddison wages likely made him less of a priority and Szoboszlai's release clause likely made him less of a priority also, once RB seemingly weren't willing to negotiate on that.

6 minutes ago, rgk_lfc said:

 

My best guess, if this transfer goes through, is that he is going to be the Salah replacement when the inevitable 100 or 200 million bid from the Saudi league arrives. We bought Diaz and then sold Mane, Gakpo before we released Firmino, and now Szoboszlai is the Salah replacement. 

Sheesh ... I could absolutely see that happening with Salah.

Seems your lot are struggling making money available for transfers.

Yeah, my mistake.

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The way I can sleep at night is basically, I don't choose where the money comes from, I wish it came from somewhere better.

 

Thinking of PIF as a financial investment fund who invests the money on Saudi Arabia provides a bit of separation, then the likes of Staveley provide even more. 

 

Also, the PL is full of dodgy money, so why shouldn't we have some. 

 

Also, fans are locked in and their club is something that can never belong to anyone but them.

 

It's not exactly a coherent position and I know maybe I should step away. But basically I can't, so I would rather the link to KSA was as remote as possible. 

 

 

 

And this is the cruel irony of this whole thing. Everyone's hands are dirty in this business.

Out of interest can anyone explain to me why Man City's Qatar ownership don't get anywhere near as much grief over these issues?!

2 minutes ago, Solitude20 said:

 

Yet you didn’t raise those concerns when we spent their money on those record transfer fees.
 

Honestly I don’t get it, how can you have no issues with spending their cash to reach where we are today, enjoying their success managing the club so far, looking forward to their future investments, and getting excited by the transformation of the club under their ownership, but if their national team plays at SJP, it suddenly becomes a step too far and only then would their human rights record matter. I don’t get it honestly. 

To me, it’s all the same. You either accept all of it or none if it. I wouldn’t go and happily accept those links that directly benefit the club and draw a line against the links that don’t. 

Pretty much how I see it too.

At least everything they are doing is strictly sports related. They are clearly trying to make Newcastle the most popular club for Saudi people to support, because that would have huge financial benefits.

Now lets say they started using SJP to host conferences or meetings outside of sports, for their regime or whatever, then of course that would be absolutely uncalled for, and would be a clear line that cannot be crossed.

This is strictly a sporting venture of theirs and should be completely separate from the practices that go on in their country, because ultimately this is how things ultimately work in numerous industries.

Having said that, if it's something that cannot be looked past, then it's better off for everyone if more efforts are put in to get them to leave.

1 minute ago, arnonel said:

For the 1000000th time

 

Wish people would stop being so binary

 

You can and should hate the atrocities in Saudi

You can and should LOVE the investment in the club and city

 

You dont have to pick only 1

I don't know anymore ... I think if people are not going to be able to deal with them wanting a kit in their countries colours (which is mostly being done to generate interest over there, and increase the clubs commercial income), or can't deal with them wanting their national team to play games at the club, then they shouldn't accept the ownership.

I think more should be done to go against the ownership in that case, because it's all too hypocritical in my opinion. You can't have them spend the money they did on the club and pour so much investment into the area and then rail against them anytime they do anything that draws attention to their country. Their never going to completely dumb down where they are from, it's just not going to happen. For the most part I think they are already very tempered in the way they conduct themselves but it will never be enough for some people.

Why not start a more aggressive movement to get them out then? Because ultimately i think too much is being asked of the ownership and it's really not realistic.

17 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

All due respect, I was part of a group that couldn't talk the majority of people into protesting against Mike Ashley who was universally loathed by the fanbase. You'd have more joy selling garlic in Transylvania than protesting against this lot in Newcastle. 

Yeah, that's the problem really. 

I think when people have an issue with this stuff they need to get out there en masse and make their voices heard about it. I think if enough of a fuss had been made by Newcastle fans against it, the takeover could have been thwarted.

However, I don't remember seeing anyone out there that were Newcastle fans really going against it, and so complaining about everything the ownership now does that is associated to their country just seems pointless.

Having said that, maybe even now if enough of a fuss is kicked up it could make an impact. If enough Newcastle fans really don't want the Saudis at their club they need to start a movement to get them out, and maybe they'll get their wish. I'm sure there are other clubs they would look at.

Then again the way they're hoovering up players for their league, maybe they'll just double down their focuses on that alone.

I really think you guys should have done more to resist the takeover and maybe held protests at the Premier League offices or something. It's clear you are not going to be able to separate their sporting ventures from their politics and culture.

We've been linked with too many good players to be worried about missing out on some of them. Just a matter of time.

At this point an increasing number of footballers are moving over there to play for their clubs on lucrative deals. 

And so at this rate I wouldn't worry too much about being associated with the region at all. It's clear to see where this is heading.

It's only a matter of time before their league is number 1 and has all the best players, and then I imagine they'll sell up all the clubs they are involved with in the west.

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I'm not particularly offended, it was a half-joking comment at a pretty brazen choice of away kit colours. I don't like the kit because of the hipster pattern, it's not my thing.

 

It's quite easy to support the club whilst disliking our 90% of our ownership though, or at least what they represent. 

 

 

 

I mean they did the green kit thing already, and considering how much money they put up and continue to do, it's probably one of the least offensive things they could do. On the whole they are completely in the background and don't make a big show of being involved with the club.

I'm sure loads aren't big fans of their culture, as it's completely foreign to us, starting to talk about sharia law and all that over a new kit seemed a bit OTT.

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I wonder if they're giving away a free "Sharia Law for Beginners" with it?

Really don't understand how you can continue to support the club under these owners and be excited about signings the same ownership make, if you're this offended about them and think so little of them. Makes no sense.

Really nice kit. Sharp.