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Loan with an option to buy for Willems according to Miles Starforth. Sensible.

 

We are just utterly f***ing pathetic man

 

And there it is. For no reason at all.

The anger generated by a loan with an option to buy is incredible 

Despite them all claiming he wasn't good enough!

Loan with an option to buy for Willems according to Miles Starforth. Sensible.

Interesting. That is a smart approach.

Under MA and his cronies we will never sign a player for anything extra than what they think he is worth in order to get them in early.

Even if it happens (paying a bit extra) it will be towards the very end of the window, after they have tried to barter the deal down to the very death. It really is a huge annoyance.

Completely negates the point of a pre-season and allowing the team to gel going into the season.

Clearly aren’t prepared to pay for N’soki.

 

Yep. Still haven’t learned.

 

Well, he would be a squad player, so not sure this is the transfer to get upset about.

 

We don't need a back up for Dummett or Ritchie, we should be signing upgrades.

 

These type of buys rarely work out profitable either. If they aren't good enough to get in the first team ahead of those two then you can assume he's not very good.

 

Were Fernandez, Ki and Schaar considered upgrades last summer?

 

Those three at various points contributed massively to the team.

 

Your premise is all wrong. You don't always buy players better than what you have. Doesn't make sense.

 

Some players improve your general squad and provide competition.

 

Steve Bruce won`t improve anyone. We need players that are the finished article so we get a few months out them before they get Bruced.

Well if the recruitment team are the be all and end all for MA, then if your statement is true, Bruce will be out before long.

Clearly aren’t prepared to pay for N’soki.

 

Yep. Still haven’t learned.

 

Well, he would be a squad player, so not sure this is the transfer to get upset about.

 

We don't need a back up for Dummett or Ritchie, we should be signing upgrades.

 

These type of buys rarely work out profitable either. If they aren't good enough to get in the first team ahead of those two then you can assume he's not very good.

 

Were Fernandez, Ki and Schaar considered upgrades last summer?

 

Those three at various points contributed massively to the team.

 

Your premise is all wrong. You don't always buy players better than what you have. Doesn't make sense.

 

Some players improve your general squad and provide competition.

 

Pardon me for being sceptical, but apparently we were after this guy 5 years ago. In that time how has he progressed? He's 25 now, so not exactly a kid who is likely to get much better.

Go and read the Schar thread. The same type of talk about his age and how he hadn't achieved anything, and his team had just been relegated, and no one else was in for him, and we only got him because his clause was peanuts.

Come on man.

Clearly aren’t prepared to pay for N’soki.

 

Yep. Still haven’t learned.

 

Well, he would be a squad player, so not sure this is the transfer to get upset about.

 

We don't need a back up for Dummett or Ritchie, we should be signing upgrades.

 

These type of buys rarely work out profitable either. If they aren't good enough to get in the first team ahead of those two then you can assume he's not very good.

Were Fernandez, Ki and Schaar considered upgrades last summer?

Those three at various points contributed massively to the team.

Your premise is all wrong. You don't always buy players better than what you have. Doesn't make sense.

Some players improve your general squad and provide competition.

He’ll be cover for Ritchie.

 

A pointless transfer policy. Buying worse than you have already.

Same was said about Fernandez, Ki and even Schaar last summer.

"Buying players off relegated teams! This is terrible! What a farce!"

Come on guys. It's okay to complain and be negative, but at least do it over things that deserve it.

Jetro is actually a proper left wing back with a very good delivery from set pieces and crosses.

No Kanji. Apparently he's terrible, and isn't even worth bringing in as a rotational piece.

Clearly aren’t prepared to pay for N’soki.

 

Yep. Still haven’t learned.

 

Well, he would be a squad player, so not sure this is the transfer to get upset about.

 

You're mad.

No, you guys are finding things to get wound up about. It's somewhat entertaining

The kid is 20 years old and very inexperienced. Not necessarily someone to push the boat out for, particularly as he will be a squad player.

Every club has values they place on players. If there are other options then it's fair enough really.

Rather we go all out for first team players like Joelinton and Saint-Maximin.

Clearly aren’t prepared to pay for N’soki.

 

Yep. Still haven’t learned.

Well, he would be a squad player, so not sure this is the transfer to get upset about.

I presume Willems is a squad signing? Rotating in when Ritchie is out.

 

I take it this means the club don't think Lazaar can be used in the premier league?

 

He's a left back isn't he? How is he a stand-in for Ritchie? We do actually need a left back that being said, but not much point in buying a left-sided version of Manquillo.

 

I haven't seen Jetro btw, just assuming he's not much good by the reaction of those on here.

Ah, right. I assumed he played left wing back too.

So more of an alternative to Dummet should we play a back 4 then. Fair enough.

I presume Willems is a squad signing? Rotating in when Ritchie is out.

I take it this means the club don't think Lazaar can be used in the premier league?

They've just dusted off the old list from before Rafa came haven't they?

 

Nah, Bruce is "in charge of transfers". These are definitely his guys.

 

 

He is allowed to have final sign off on his preference. The key stipulation is that he agrees to select from "the list" of players from the recruitment team.

Like the guy after watching this.

 

 

But highlight reels from games, oh dear, very erratic and crosses like missiles, unfortunately not guided ones.

 

Young though, could definitely get better.

 

Kaka’s been watching him since he was 8 months old, watches him train every day. Trust kaka.

What does that even mean?

The likes of Bolasie and Zaha are erratic and hit and miss, and have proved to be very useful players in this league.

But you know ... keep going on and on and pretending only players with inch perfect crosses and perfect technique and dribbling are worth having.

So silly man. My goodness.

Even Pardew couldn't coach the ability out of that 5th place team.

 

 

Vote Kaka 2019.

Man, I'll leave you guys to it.

Keep getting yourselves all riled up if you want.

This just reminds me of the Rondon abuse last summer.

 

I know you guys want to see the team do badly, but the fact is some really talented attacking players have been added to a a sturdy defence and midfield that both really came on last season.

 

  FFS doubting someone is not abuse, i thought Rondon was suited to us, others didn't, it's opinions.

 

And i noted you think it won't suit some if we have an exciting team, come on man you know that's not it, if you really can't see why people are saying what they are, well....

 

You're a daft C*** (that's abuse)

 

 

You know i don't mean that, well not really 

 

 

People are writing off any player that signs and trying to convince themselves their highlights are all terrible (when they're not) and they won't be any good.

 

I just think they're getting carried away and are setting themselves up for a lot of frustration, because these players are talented enough that it could be quite the opposite.

 

Not sure why you would continue to put yourselves through that kind of frustration.

 

Nope. Players are being written off because Steve Bruce is gonna coach them. That and they don’t fit into a specific system (singing ANOTHER winger when we play with wing backs is a bit strange, no?)

 

Well we'll see how good these players are I guess. Even Pardew couldn't coach the ability out of that 5th place team. And in my opinion, no one is worse than that guy.

 

Saint-Maximin played as a second striker too. Was the most productive in that position, but got moved around a fair bit. Played winger and even wing-back too apparently.

 

He literally did the following season 

Right, but apparently you're all certain that we are getting relegated this season.

I'm just saying don't get too attached to that idea, or you may end up going mad all season.

I just don't understand why you would do that if you're over it all.

This just reminds me of the Rondon abuse last summer.

 

I know you guys want to see the team do badly, but the fact is some really talented attacking players have been added to a a sturdy defence and midfield that both really came on last season.

 

  FFS doubting someone is not abuse, i thought Rondon was suited to us, others didn't, it's opinions.

 

And i noted you think it won't suit some if we have an exciting team, come on man you know that's not it, if you really can't see why people are saying what they are, well....

 

You're a daft C*** (that's abuse)

 

 

You know i don't mean that, well not really 

 

 

People are writing off any player that signs and trying to convince themselves their highlights are all terrible (when they're not) and they won't be any good.

 

I just think they're getting carried away and are setting themselves up for a lot of frustration, because these players are talented enough that it could be quite the opposite.

 

Not sure why you would continue to put yourselves through that kind of frustration.

 

Nope. Players are being written off because Steve Bruce is gonna coach them. That and they don’t fit into a specific system (singing ANOTHER winger when we play with wing backs is a bit strange, no?)

Well we'll see how good these players are I guess. Even Pardew couldn't coach the ability out of that 5th place team. And in my opinion, no one is worse than that guy.

Saint-Maximin played as a second striker too. Was the most productive in that position, but got moved around a fair bit. Played winger and even wing-back too apparently.

This just reminds me of the Rondon abuse last summer.

 

I know you guys want to see the team do badly, but the fact is some really talented attacking players have been added to a a sturdy defence and midfield that both really came on last season.

 

  FFS doubting someone is not abuse, i thought Rondon was suited to us, others didn't, it's opinions.

 

And i noted you think it won't suit some if we have an exciting team, come on man you know that's not it, if you really can't see why people are saying what they are, well....

 

You're a daft C*** (that's abuse)

 

 

You know i don't mean that, well not really 

 

People are writing off any player that signs and trying to convince themselves their highlights are all terrible (when they're not) and they won't be any good.

I just think they're getting carried away and are setting themselves up for a lot of frustration, because these players are talented enough that it could be quite the opposite.

Not sure why you would continue to put yourselves through that kind of frustration.

 

FWIW I'm not saying these signings are bad, I don't care either way. They're just not made with any attention to success on the pitch.

 

In what sense? Position wise you mean? Or you don't think they're good enough?

 

ASM needs nurturing and patience he's incredibly frustrating, Bruce is not the man for this

Possibly, however, unlike the Ben Arfa situation he will have to play him and let him figure things out. He won't be able to get away with mucking him about as he is not goign to be some loan player he can scapegoat.

 

FWIW I'm not saying these signings are bad, I don't care either way. They're just not made with any attention to success on the pitch.

 

In what sense? Position wise you mean? Or you don't think they're good enough?

 

They're not signed for footballing reasons or with attention to any bigger plan, they're signed because they might sell to a bigger club in a season or 2.

 

They might be 'good enough' for what they want, which is just to stay up.

Ah, right. But I was only commenting on how I think they will do well this season, because I think they are going to be part of a really dynamic attack. We're all clear on MA's approach and we all know that's the case, unfortunately.

We have sold our best 2 attackers.

 

Between Almiron, Joelinton, Saint-Maxim, Gayle, Muto, Longstaff and Ritchie I think it will suffice.

 

The league is not as strong this year.

 

Gayle will be sold to claw back some money and Ritchie is a LWB now

I think if we are playing two upfront int he 3-5-2 Bruce has used in pre-season it would be worth keeping Gayle. You may be right though.

Ritchie creates a decent amount of chances and gets the odd goal even from that position.

 

FWIW I'm not saying these signings are bad, I don't care either way. They're just not made with any attention to success on the pitch.

In what sense? Position wise you mean? Or you don't think they're good enough?

We have sold our best 2 attackers.

Between Almiron, Joelinton, Saint-Maxim, Gayle, Muto, Longstaff and Ritchie I think it will suffice.

The league is not as strong this year.

Really good signing. The price is a good one and no doubt takes into account the risk that may be associated with his attitude.

 

Think he'll look good in the premier league. Pace and dribbling are always valuable assets, especially now he will be in a team that features other such players.

 

I've never heard you say a signing is bad.

I prefer to watch them first.

Unless it's obvious, like Colback for example, which was just ridiculous.

This just reminds me of the Rondon abuse last summer.

I know you guys want to see the team do badly, but the fact is some really talented attacking players have been added to a a sturdy defence and midfield that both really came on last season.