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Not in the PL he didn't, get you facts right for once. In the Championship he was very good, I praised him on many, many occasions last season.

Nobody mentioned injury records, the arguement is about talent. I think Barton has more. And he's proved it, Guthries proved nowt, yet. Liverpool didn't want him, Bolton didn't, and we got relegated with him looking lost for large parts of the season. I like Danny, he's got a lot of creativity in his locker, but not a whole hell of a lot more than Barton. And Joey, as i've already stated, is far better equipped for the rigours of Premier League football.

I can't really comment because I didn't see any reserve games. What perplexes me are the posters who didn't see the games being accusatory.

ESPN do reserve stats?

There's a difference between a guru and a non-idiot who can follow the most simple of points. Here's the idiots guide: Guthrie hasn't been blessed with any athletic talent, he's slow, very weak and has a pretty poor engine. He's more talented with the ball at his feet, but as a footballer, Barton has the greater talent. He's a good passer, good cardiovascular endurance, average pace and average strength.

He got a few goals and assists. He couldn't have been as bad as some made out. Unfortunately, if you covered his face in boot polish and gave him Nile Ranger's shirt, those same performances wouldn't be scrutinized half as much.

Based on what? Guthrie is talented in some areas and severely deprived of talent in others. Isn't every footballer? What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. I wasn't in any way trying to criticise Guthrie, just comparing his talent with Barton's.

All of the criticism regarding Xisco's attitude is predicated on a solitary quote reported by Brian McMackem. Xisco endured almost a full season of ignorance on the part of Kinnear and the only noises he made were about wanting to play and being prepared to work hard in order to achieve that. I'm not making a judgement on his attitude here, btw. There's not a whole hell of a lot that can be said about it. But he always seemed to try on the pitch, even if he did look clumsy and off the pace.

Based on what? Guthrie is talented in some areas and severely deprived of talent in others.

Bellamy had been a pro for a good 5 years or so before joining us. Jenas should never have won it in a million years. Cole, fair enough. But he was here during a different and completely unique era. Milner didn't look any better in 2008 than he did in 2004, his improvements only really became evident at Villa. Far too many players have come to us at a youngish age and left with their reputations in complete ruins. We just don't get the best out of them.

Too early to expect Vuckic in CM. His first appearances will probably be in a role behind the striker.

'kin hope not Me too.

Neither are in the least bit creative.

Spain by a mile.

He's lucky there's a Championship club that want him. Christ, it was only 6 months back that some on here wanted us to sign him and put him in the starting Xl.

It actually looks the other way round.

He certainly did. If he was English the media would have left him alone.

He played well for us in his last season, under Roeder.

Dyer had the shot that an old lady with severe arthritis could have saved before Bellamy tucked it in.

What on earth suggests that Xisco will contribute in any way at all? Perhaps the fact he's comfortably better than 2 of our 5 strikers?

Very good news if true.

Yep, Van Bommel is scum. I think his hardman act would actually look a lot funnier when cast opposite Vinny Jones as opposed to 5'7" Spaniards who live with their parents.

Well done, Messi. Pissed off you won a couple of hundred more than me but I suppose you need it a fair bit more. You have absolutely no excuse now, stop it with the daft sweatshirts and skinny jeans.

Look what happened to Holland against Spain today. 0-0 draw.