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How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion? We topped the long ball chart averaging 69 per game last year. This season only Arsenal go long less than we do. Saturday was the first time we started lobbing shite at the box, which was a pisser, but if you can't see the intended change of approach from this year to last then you aren't paying attention.

I was at them all too and I wouldn't. Some were. We started that Swansea game with Simpson, Williamson, Sammy Ameobi and Shane Ferguson STARTING!! A bench including Tavernier, Amalfitano, Abeid and Bigirimina. It's embarrassing the quality Ashley provided. Aye, so then it was fucking embarrassing then, wasn't it?

I'd class that as a quirk of fixture scheduling Out of 19 home games in our potential relegation season last year I'd say 3 were embarrassments. Only 6 teams won more home games than us last year. They all finished in the top 6. How many teams lost more home games than we did? Better to win 3 and lose 3 than draw 6. None then. You're not making any point worth making tbh. Teams were relegating losing less than us. Again, better to win and lose than to draw both. My point is and always has been that Pardew is doing a shit job, you're the one trying to fucking big him up all the time. Better to win and lose ffs. Better to win both or win and draw than fucking losing so often. What an utterly preposterous position you take up. "Pardew's a cunt, here's ten reasons why he's doing a great job", give it a rest. I would give it a rest, but I'd get it in the neck after the next good performance for not showing up after a poor defeat. We have to be consistent don't we.

I was at them all too and I wouldn't. Some were. We started that Swansea game with Simpson, Williamson, Sammy Ameobi and Shane Ferguson STARTING!! A bench including Tavernier, Amalfitano, Abeid and Bigirimina. It's embarrassing the quality Ashley provided.

I'd class that as a quirk of fixture scheduling Out of 19 home games in our potential relegation season last year I'd say 3 were embarrassments. Only 6 teams won more home games than us last year. They all finished in the top 6. How many teams lost more home games than we did? Better to win 3 and lose 3 than draw 6. None then. You're not making any point worth making tbh. Teams were relegated losing less than us. Again, better to win and lose than to draw both.

I'd class that as a quirk of fixture scheduling Out of 19 home games in our potential relegation season last year I'd say 3 were embarrassments. Only 6 teams won more home games than us last year. They all finished in the top 6. How many teams lost more home games than we did? Better to win 3 and lose 3 than draw 6.

I'd class that as a quirk of fixture scheduling Out of 19 home games in our potential relegation season last year I'd say 3 were embarrassments. Only 6 teams won more home games than us last year. They all finished in the top 6.

Don't get your hopes up. If Ben Arfa, Cisse and Debuchy had been anywhere approaching what they have shown before, by all rights we'd be in joint third right now. The only thrashing we have suffered was the same one Man U suffered yesterday. It'll probably take at least a couple of thrashings before he goes anywhere.

In my view it's people saying things like we regularly lose at home when winning or even that embarrassing home defeats are frequent occurrences or that we haven't beasted anyone, who is trying to reassure themselves that Pardew is doing a much worse job than in reality. The truth is much more prosaic, we're a dull mid-table team that has peaks and troughs and a couple of players that can give us a smile. Things could get a whole lot worse if we bring another manager as bad or worse than Pardew. But I don't think things can ever get any better as long as Ashley is here. just out of interest do you class going to game 37 of the season in danger of being relegated a trough? Aye. Exactly. Like going into the last game with a chance of champions league being a peak. i always took peaks and troughs to refer to periods within a season, not an entire season myself I thought you meant going into those games themselves. Strange question to ask in that case. you said we're a mid-table team who will have peaks and troughs, then said we should be careful 'cause we might get a worse manager than pardew (the bits i highlighted) the point was that he took us on an entire seasons trough which we only escaped from due to blind luck What luck did we have?

In my view it's people saying things like we regularly lose at home when winning or even that embarrassing home defeats are frequent occurrences or that we haven't beasted anyone, who is trying to reassure themselves that Pardew is doing a much worse job than in reality. The truth is much more prosaic, we're a dull mid-table team that has peaks and troughs and a couple of players that can give us a smile. Things could get a whole lot worse if we bring another manager as bad or worse than Pardew. But I don't think things can ever get any better as long as Ashley is here. just out of interest do you class going to game 37 of the season in danger of being relegated a trough? Aye. Exactly. Like going into the last game with a chance of champions league being a peak. i always took peaks and troughs to refer to periods within a season, not an entire season myself I thought you meant going into those games themselves. Strange question to ask in that case.

In my view it's people saying things like we regularly lose at home when winning or even that embarrassing home defeats are frequent occurrences or that we haven't beasted anyone, who is trying to reassure themselves that Pardew is doing a much worse job than in reality. The truth is much more prosaic, we're a dull mid-table team that has peaks and troughs and a couple of players that can give us a smile. Things could get a whole lot worse if we bring another manager as bad or worse than Pardew. But I don't think things can ever get any better as long as Ashley is here. just out of interest do you class going to game 37 of the season in danger of being relegated a trough? Aye. Exactly. Like going into the last game with a chance of champions league being a peak.

In my view it's people saying things like we regularly lose at home when winning or even that embarrassing home defeats are frequent occurrences or that we haven't beasted anyone, who is trying to reassure themselves that Pardew is doing a much worse job than in reality. The truth is much more prosaic, we're a dull mid-table team that has peaks and troughs and a couple of players that can give us a smile. Things could get a whole lot worse if we bring another manager as bad or worse than Pardew. But I don't think things can ever get any better as long as Ashley is here.

Bollocks. I always have a stat when people make wild claims about what we have or have not done which can be shown to be either worth further consideration or demonstrably false. Pardew's doing the job we all expected of him when he was appointed, no better, no worse. You'll not find me saying he's done a good job because I've always thought the bloke is a grade a cunt. I've been panning him in this thread this morning. What I'm not willing to do is to join the bandwagon to get the bloke sacked, because i want what is best for the club, and with Mike Ashley in charge i believe that Pardew is about as good as he can attract. That sitting in 12th with 2 wins and 2 defeats isn't really sackable form. If it gets as bad as it was last christmas, that could change. Form shouldn't make a difference any more than two good games for Shola should get him a new contract. The bloke is not good enough to do the job and never will be. Anyone good enough for the job is not looking for work at a club with a neutral transfer budget. You're ASKING for Kinnear to get the job.

Bollocks. I always have a stat when people make wild claims about what we have or have not done which can be shown to be either worth further consideration or demonstrably false. Pardew's doing the job we all expected of him when he was appointed, no better, no worse. You'll not find me saying he's done a good job because I've always thought the bloke is a grade a cunt. I've been panning him in this thread this morning. What I'm not willing to do is to join the bandwagon to get the bloke sacked, because i want what is best for the club, and with Mike Ashley in charge i believe that Pardew is about as good as he can attract. That sitting in 12th with 2 wins and 2 defeats isn't really sackable form. If it gets as bad as it was last christmas, that could change.

We had Gouffran, Remy, Cisse & Ben Arfa on the pitch together. Negative Bastard. All that attacking talent and yet we've averaged 1 goal per game all season. Go figure. Cisse and Ben Arfa were fucking shite on Saturday. All season? No good having such attacking talent on the pitch if you score FIVE goals in FIVE games. When was the time we beasted a team? When was the last time we dominated most of a match? We aren't a top team. We have no inalienable right to beast anyone. Since Pardew arrived we have scored 3 or more 15 times. We aspire to be an also ran team, like Everton. They have scored 3 or more on 14 occasions in the same timescale....and Moyes got rewarded with the Man U job.

I think the perception is greater than reality. Those lost points really hurt more when you've been in the lead.. We lost 18 points from a winning position last season. Which is no good, but then we gained 12 points from a losing position ourselves, so it's not like we never inflicted that pain on anyone else.

Many? We've only done that twice before in the 3 years Pardew has been here.

We had Gouffran, Remy, Cisse & Ben Arfa on the pitch together. Negative Bastard. All that attacking talent and yet we've averaged 1 goal per game all season. Go figure. Cisse and Ben Arfa were fucking shite on Saturday.

We had Gouffran, Remy, Cisse & Ben Arfa on the pitch together. Negative Bastard.

Hull haven't been "mullered" all season and they've played Chelsea and Man City. Their Defense has shown itself to be well drilled and i don't think they were in any way there for the taking. Would have been a hard fought victory for any team. We absolutely shot ourselves in the foot and should never have conceded 3 to them though.

It hasn't. But we had one more point after 5 games last season, so it could go either way from here on in. I've been updating this thread with the run of 8 games i would expect him to get results in, and so far he's only failed to do so once. So he's passing that test as far as I'm concerned. His next challenge will be the run of 4 games against Liverpool, Sunderland, Chelsea and Spurs. Those are the ones where he could well put a bad sequence of results together that give the owner the ammo to put him down.

Holy f***ing s***. We're 5 matches into the season and you think 'being on the same points as Man United' holds any weight? If that 'form' will garner us 53 points and have us at 8th, then by the same token we should measure Man United as finishing around there? Of course not, and I don't think you're suggesting that. I'm just highlighting how pointless that part of your post is. Knee jerking, though. It's been at least since Reading at home last year that I've absolutely despised the man as a manager. That's 9 months ffs. It was knee jerking to start banging the "Pardew's great" drum after villa, and it would be knee jerking to say he deserves the sack off the back of the Hull game. There have been moments in the past where you could legitimately say it's not been good enough and he should go. Up to about January this year. Those moments have passed now though and it would be mad if we got rid of a manager with 7 points from 5 games while sitting 12th. I don't think anyone is seriously saying we should (are they?). I'm not saying anyone that's slated Pardew for 2 years is knee-jerking, but I think that was obvious. "those moments have passed now". Have they? So he's worth keeping based on a villa win? Just ignore the last season and the general turgid football we watched, the bizarre selections and tactics. The fact he is quite clearly not good enough to manage this team. Makes absolutely no sense. Probably because you haven't read the post. Have another go. His 24 points from 20 games is probably good enough for this club as Mike Ashley is running it. His 7 points from 13 games prior to that probably wasn't good enough for any club, but that moment passed..

Holy fucking shit. We're 5 matches into the season and you think 'being on the same points as Man United' holds any weight? If that 'form' will garner us 53 points and have us at 8th, then by the same token we should measure Man United as finishing around there? Of course not, and I don't think you're suggesting that. I'm just highlighting how pointless that part of your post is. Knee jerking, though. It's been at least since Reading at home last year that I've absolutely despised the man as a manager. That's 9 months ffs. It was knee jerking to start banging the "Pardew's great" drum after villa, and it would be knee jerking to say he deserves the sack off the back of the Hull game. There have been moments in the past where you could legitimately say it's not been good enough and he should go. Up to about January this year. Those moments have passed now though and it would be mad if we got rid of a manager with 7 points from 5 games while sitting 12th. I don't think anyone is seriously saying we should (are they?). I'm not saying anyone that's slated Pardew for 2 years is knee-jerking, but I think that was obvious.

Just under two thirds of possession. Over two thirds of the attacking 3rd passes. Only one fifth of the action in Newcastles third of the pitch. Aye, it was US that sat back

Pardew pissed me off on Saturday more than he has any time previously bar the Reading game. "Excuses" has a bad connotation whenever you examine the issues that led to last seasons results, but I think poor performances and an inability to change it about can and should be excused according to mitigating factors (injuries, lack of depth, extra fixtures). While the lack of depth is still an issue which sees championship standard players like Williamson, Dummett and Sammy get on our bench, we should have had enough to beat Hull at home. Our first choice 11 were being held 2-2 though. And the changes that were made just created a world of dissaray on the park. Over 30 minutes he made 3 changes. None of which were like for like. Striker for midfielder, midfielder for Striker, then RB for Midfielder. Players were moved from pillar to post to accommodate this and we lost any semblance of shape we may have had. Defenders who for 5 games have passed the ball out of defence had no-one available in front of them at all and resorted to the long ball we were all glad to see the back of, we thought. When Cabaye was injured Tiote should have come on to make sure we still had experienced bodies in the middle of the park. A like for like change. We weren't looking particularly dangerous with Hull lapping up whatever we had to offer going forwards, but hoying Gouffran on smacked to me of placating the home fans who would have went apeshit at a "negative" change. Weak from the manager IYAM. It's just another disappointing performance though. If you think this proves Pardew should be sacked, any more than Villa away proved he should stay then you're knee-jerking. As it is we're on the same points as Man U so not going to throw my lot in with the babies who want rid and don't care that it's Ashley doing the hiring. As I left the stadium people were seriously talking about going down with the mackems. 7 points from 5 is the sort of form that will garner 53 points. Enough for an 8th place finish last year.