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I'm not prepared to boycott the club either. And NUSC haven't suggested it. A boycott of food/drink/programs was in place at the consensus of most places (TF, The Mag etc.) which the NUSC endorsed once it was set up. Your confidence that the money we invest in the club will be re-invested in players is confusing though, considering Ashley has had four windows to spend some of that money and we're still in credit in the transfer market. He's only really managed to spend anything in one window...his first. you realise money going into the club pays for other stuff too? Yeah. But I was asking what made Blefuscu think it would be spent on transfers....since he expressed that hope, despite there being no indication it would in the past. She actually.... The thing I do see is that money will have to be paid for the day to day running of the club. If we are not putting money into the club through merchandising etc then the cost of the day to day running of the club has to come from somewhere. I didn't express any hope, it is just a reality. Ashley will have to put more money in to cover day to day costs (wages of non-playing staff ~ you know the ordinary folks of the north-east who do the shop work, office work, cleaning etc) and other costs involved leaving less to go towards players. Its just common sense that something has to give if we stop supporting the club financially and the transfers in of players will probably be it. We've still got one of the highest gates in the league, best selling strips, and fattest beer, guzzling pie eaters in any stadium. Do you believe the 50 people still boycotting are the reason for our lack of transfer investment and decrepit manager?

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble. "There are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn?t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? ?Some of them would talk to me last season and say, ?Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously??. Either they've invested since or he's knocked them back or he was making it up at the time. Which is it? Whatever it is, it's clearly not a refusal. In fact, it seems more like an invitation. He's inventing imaginary questions for himself in an attempt to attract people to the club? That reminds me of someone... So now you're saying it's lie. So it's still not a refusal. I'm asking you what it is. I still call it a refusal....if it happened. Do you believe anyone asked the question?

Cheers "Around 50 of the Newcastle United Supporters Club (NUSC) who turned out at its first public meeting agreed to continue the action launched after Kevin Keegan’s departure." Not sure those 50 people are still keeping it up after 6 months and the failure to sell up as promised.

I'm not prepared to boycott the club either. And NUSC haven't suggested it. A boycott of food/drink/programs was in place at the consensus of most places (TF, The Mag etc.) which the NUSC endorsed once it was set up. Your confidence that the money we invest in the club will be re-invested in players is confusing though, considering Ashley has had four windows to spend some of that money and we're still in credit in the transfer market. He's only really managed to spend anything in one window...his first. you realise money going into the club pays for other stuff too? Yeah. But I was asking what made Blefuscu think it would be spent on transfers....since he expressed that hope, despite there being no indication it would in the past.

I'm not prepared to boycott the club either. And NUSC haven't suggested it. A boycott of food/drink/programs was in place at the consensus of most places (TF, The Mag etc.) which the NUSC endorsed once it was set up. Your confidence that the money we invest in the club will be re-invested in players is confusing though, considering Ashley has had four windows to spend some of that money and we're still in credit in the transfer market. He's only really managed to spend anything in one window...his first. It was called for repeatedly in the meeting last wednesday, and reported in the media as something that the NUSC have endorsed, like I say I am not prepared to do this and have said why. Anyone who wants to boycott the club's merchandise etc can do, but I personally can see that doing more harm than good. I'd like to see those media reports if you have a link. You'll get individuals calling for all sorts of things (like boycotting games), but that's the good thing about the NUSC, they'll not put into action something unless the majority are in agreement. As long as it's a thousand or so people the vocal minority of radgies will find it easier. Perhaps when more people like yourself join and promote inaction the NUSC will vote to reverse their position on a merchandise boycott.

"Bummed to death" I wonder what paper it could be?

I'm not prepared to boycott the club either. And NUSC haven't suggested it. A boycott of food/drink/programs was in place at the consensus of most places (TF, The Mag etc.) which the NUSC endorsed once it was set up. Your confidence that the money we invest in the club will be re-invested in players is confusing though, considering Ashley has had four windows to spend some of that money and we're still in credit in the transfer market. He's only really managed to spend anything in one window...his first.

Weren't four of those signed under Ashley's ownership? The four who've contributed least.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble. "There are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn?t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? ?Some of them would talk to me last season and say, ?Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously??. Either they've invested since or he's knocked them back or he was making it up at the time. Which is it? Whatever it is, it's clearly not a refusal. In fact, it seems more like an invitation. He's inventing imaginary questions for himself in an attempt to attract people to the club? That reminds me of someone...

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble. "There are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn’t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? “Some of them would talk to me last season and say, ‘Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously?’. Either they've invested since or he's knocked them back or he was making it up at the time. Which is it?

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was.

Apart from Owen and Viduka keeping us up last year....and Owens goals (which have earned us 6 points) keeping us off bottom so far this year.

It's posts like this that make me laugh. Everything they say is bollocks except the JFK craic eh? Do you really think Llambias is going to come out and say, "erm roight we fink Jawou iz a bit ov awright, ba ee aynt got a cloo abaat nuffink, and we're looking to get rid asap" He's their appointment, and they're merely showing their appreciation for him taking on the job. Joe Kinnear will not be NUFC manager beyond the end of this season. Of this I am confident. If he is installed as a permanent manager, I will turn on them personally just like everyone else. Omg you honestly don't see the issue with this here? The mere fact that JFK was offered a long term contract is the problem. His results so far has been average at best and that is being generous. They have clearly no ambition if they believe him or someone of his caliber is the man for the job. We might as well go and appoint Souness or Roeder again. It's that level of ambition. What I am trying to say is that it could all be a ploy to show the world that they don't change managers like they change socks, and that they are willing to commit to an employee they believe in. This could be to encourage future incumbents who may hesitate to apply for the job in the summer when it is vacant, without having any concerns about the board's desire to establish stability. For the record, I do NOT think keeping JK is a good idea, and I suspect Ashley and co also realize that we could do much better! That's why I'm still with my pig ugly girlfriend. To show the stunners I'm not afraid of commitment.

Link? ...bit slow Ozzie. Cheers for that HF, hadn't seen that before. Carefully worded mind, doesn't explicitly mention investment volumes or what it would entail. They just say what they think will win some fans over at the time at the time. There's still some people that are suckered by it, but it's offering them diminishing returns. When they arrived we were told Newcastle would sign the cream of the champions league. When Keegan arrived we were told he had full control of transfers and money to spend. When Keegan went they shut up. Now their frugality is all that can save the club....and have us challenging for the champions league in 5 years.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush"

Link? http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ Quote above.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it.

At the end of the day whoever makes us look silly is neither here nor there. Only Ashley can pay the bills or invest in the squad. NUSC can't do it and they can't provide anyone else who will either. They can't provide change, that is why the best they can hope to achieve is voluble protests which is what they are doing. No they aren't. They're promoting membership. I'll repeat... "I've approached the NUSC on a couple of issues and they've always been very useful in pushing forward my complaints. Those were grafitti, heavy handed stewarding and delayed refunds." People need to disaccossiate the NUSC from Ashley bashing i think it's NUSC who need to disassociate from Ashley bashing. Perhaps they do need to emphasise more of the other stuff they've been set up for. I think an unenthusiastic view of the ownership is warranted though, and shared by the majority of the fan base. I've not seen them advocate protests or boycoutts once though. So they're hardly to plame for the painted bedsheet brigade. You what? One of the few things they actually decided on in one members meeting since the group was formed was the continuation of boycotting merchandise and drink/food outlets on matchday. A bloody rediculous thing to do imho. I stand corrected. Though I don't see the endorsement of an already popular boycott as being something the NUSC should be hammered for.

At the end of the day whoever makes us look silly is neither here nor there. Only Ashley can pay the bills or invest in the squad. NUSC can't do it and they can't provide anyone else who will either. They can't provide change, that is why the best they can hope to achieve is voluble protests which is what they are doing. No they aren't. They're promoting membership. I'll repeat... "I've approached the NUSC on a couple of issues and they've always been very useful in pushing forward my complaints. Those were grafitti, heavy handed stewarding and delayed refunds." People need to disaccossiate the NUSC from Ashley bashing i think it's NUSC who need to disassociate from Ashley bashing. Perhaps they do need to emphasise more of the other stuff they've been set up for. I think an unenthusiastic view of the ownership is warranted though, and shared by the majority of the fan base. I've not seen them advocate protests or boycoutts once though. So they're hardly to plame for the painted bedsheet brigade.

So Ashley looking silly means that the NUSC can't look silly? I never said that. I said the NUSC have not had any negative press whatsoever that I know of. Several glowing reports of their passion and what Ashley could learn from it have appeared however.

At the end of the day whoever makes us look silly is neither here nor there. Only Ashley can pay the bills or invest in the squad. NUSC can't do it and they can't provide anyone else who will either. They can't provide change, that is why the best they can hope to achieve is voluble protests which is what they are doing. No they aren't. They're promoting membership. I'll repeat... "I've approached the NUSC on a couple of issues and they've always been very useful in pushing forward my complaints. Those were grafitti, heavy handed stewarding and delayed refunds." People need to disaccossiate the NUSC from Ashley bashing

Why can't Ashley get pissed? He was obviously taking the piss when he said Kinnear was better than Capello. Ashley can get pissed. Just not in the stands. I'm certain his intentions are always the best. I don't see Ashley as an evil mackem sent to destroy us. He's just incompetent, and has got more people around the country laughing at us than anything the NUSC have done. Why can't the NUSC have a rally to promote membership?

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset. Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia. He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down. The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours? I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic. NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you. I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe. Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club. Strange they should hold open meetings then. Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything, I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate. Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really. Why would I want to join a group with views that oppose some of my own? It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting. Are you a member? What views of yours do they oppose? Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status. We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it. I agree to an extent with all of that. Are you a member Parky? Yes. Do you think they represent you and your views in the way you would like them to? Genuine question. I've approached the NUSC on a couple of issues and they've always been very useful in pushing forward my complaints. Those were grafitti, heavy handed stewarding and delayed refunds.

Scanning the thread it seems apparent that people are purposely misconstruing saturdays "RALLY" as a "PROTEST" in order to use it as a stick to bash the NUSC with. here's the definition of a rally.... http://www.answers.com/rally To rouse or revive from inactivity or decline To show sudden improvement in health or spirits. A gathering, especially one intended to inspire enthusiasm for a cause An abrupt recovery from a setback or disadvantage A sharp improvement in health, vigor, or spirits I've not seen it mentioned anywhere that it's an "Ashley out" protest. All I've seen are T-shirt ideas with the sentiment that "NUSC love NUFC". I've always seen it as a positive membership building move by the organisation and nothing to do with a specific point to be scored against anyone at the club. Also, for anyone that thinks the NUSC have made us look a joke (Toontastic springs out) can you show me one piece of negative reporting about the NUSC? For each one you find I can come back with Ashley downing a pint in the stands, getting pissed up in the Dubai or the US, claiming Kinnear is better than Capello etc. Who's really making us look silly?