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Lots of chatter on social media about Leeds' brilliant atmosphere at Elland Road last night. Interesting how looking at this video of it, & the demographic seems to be widespread kids in their 20s and early 30s. An all new extended SJP should allow us to get this kind of crowd into our stadium.

It also took them nearly 100 years into their history to overtake us on trophies won. Or 102 years if you’re just talking domestic trophies. Not once before 1968 had they ever been ahead of us on trophies won. They are obviously a giant now but that’s only happened in the last 30 years. Busby made them big and Ferguson made them elite. Before the 1950s though they were the literal definition of mediocrity.

Twelve managers in the last 10 years. Or 20 managers if you included caretakers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sunderland_A.F.C._managers

Utter shambles of a football club.

I've watched the first couple of episodes of this series and I've never seen so many unhealthy-looking people as those in this documentary. Not even on trips to Blackpool, and that takes some doing.

Unfortunately, we will. They are correct in what they are saying on red cafe. It will get negotiated down to about £12m IMO.

Exactly this. £20m is a pittance when you consider how much they and the media are crowing about nabbing him from us. Double it to £40m and we are talking….and he still can’t start working for them till 2nd September.

Please make the point that fans absolutely MUST be allowed to choose where they sit within the stadium if they are going to persist with this. I applied for this workshop too and got nowhere. Couldn’t even win a ballot to talk about the ballot.

Aye, he won’t be there next season.

It definitely needs to happen on that kind of level if we truly want to challenge the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool on a long-term basis. We need a mountain of revenue to come from our stadium and a tarted up SJP simply won’t cut it.

I'm not disputing that. The point I made was that I believe that PIF offered to sort out the BEIN dispute long before October 2021 but the PL simply put more obstacles in the way. The court case eventually made them back away from those obstacles and allowed it to go through based on paying the compo to BEIN alone.

That's the thing with that place though. They can't criticise without resorting to catastrophising. That Deschain character on there is the worst....an absolute drama queen, and flip-flops all the time, depending on how a game pans out.

It's not that I don't think resolving the piracy issue was what unblocked it. I just don't believe that it took PIF 18 months to offer to do that. I reckon they offered to sort it very early on in the saga but the PL just put more obstructions in the way, at the behest of their six overlords. Once the whole thing went nuclear with the televised hearing, the PL just said "ok, sort out your with dispute with BEIN.....like you offered to do so 18 months ago.....and we will pass it through"

It's amazing how people still can't see it. The thing dragged on for 18 months and then as soon as the PL's QC had his arse handed to him live on a stream the whole thing was resolved within a fortnight. Piracy my arse.

If you think the criticism has been bad on here, console yourself with the fact that it's not infested with complete cry babies like this place. https://www.not606.com/threads/toon-v-hatters.410988/page-10 To be fair though, reading across the various social media platforms, last weekend was the first time I've seen it being openly questioned whether Howe will still be the man in charge in a season or two.

The facade might not be to everyone's taste (personally I think it looks amazing) but the inside of the Bernabeu is hands down the best layout for seats in a football stadium IMO. It's got the perfect mix of great views for everyone & steep stands/proper roof that create an enclosed, imposing & intimidating environment. I'd love it if we built a near replica of that layout. We can debate how it should look on the outside after that.

Yep, it was notorious in the 80s and I think it was Leeds who invented it as they truly despised Man Utd. I think the rivalry between the two of them stems from the antagonism around Munich tbh. As far as I'm aware, it was also Leeds who started the Spurs/Auschwitz song. They were a horrible bunch back then.

Another reason I'm fairly sure it was associated with Man U back then is because of the grim way the tune was converted into the song about the Munich disaster. Alas, I do remember NUFC fans taunting them with it on the two visits I made to Old Trafford in the 80s.

Sunderland fans must wistfully wish that Manure still sing it with the same lyrics. "They still sing about little old Sunlun, marra"

They mention it here on Red Cafe... https://www.redcafe.net/threads/chants-songs-from-the-1960s-1970s.210975/post-4881516 And also here.. https://www.fanchants.com/football-songs/manchester_united-chants/whos-that-team-we-call-united-2/ You can tell it's an old song because it actually mentions the Mackems in the 2nd verse.

Be afraid, unfortunately. It was sung by them in the late 70s & early 80s religiously. NUFC fans never actually sung it at all in the same period. Weirdly it took off with our lot decades later, when Man U had basically ditched it from their songbook. As far as I was aware though, they were the original creators of it.

Magnificent again tonight. Villa fans were absolutely pathetic. Watkins wasn't happy with them was he?

Absolutely tremdous that. But what on earth was up with Villa? They were astoundingly subdued right from the off. And their support was shambolic throughout. A very weird night all round but we will take it all day long.

Yeah but does that mean that a different set of fans are getting tickets for the cup games? There has to be something in it.