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I've always said we need those 3+ quality players we still need. If they don't appear then serious questions need to be asked, especially given the short-term loan ST holders such as myself and NE5 have supplied, yes. i'm off but my prediction is 2 players the likes of atouba & this uruguayan who's cropped up plus 2 "big" signings, i.e. 10 or 15m signings that'd do me for year one of an imaginary 3 year plan i guess

me too if he scores today it'll implode if that's possible

Well yes actually, I think the next three years is a fair period of time to judge where we're going as a club. It allows them to learn from their mistakes (they have certainly made some, and that's just what we know about) and it allows Keegan to realise his plans within the basis of his contract. I just don't see why the club should be expected to change everything around in a year, especially given where we were before the takeover. Anyone would think we were already gunning for the top four before Ashley arrived; well I'm sorry but we weren't. Btw I don't see why the fact NE5 has taken advantage of the three year deal keeps coming up. I've done it, as have many others - it's to save me money, it has no bearing on my level of loyalty to the club whatsoever. i'd agree three years is a good period, that shouldn't stop me or anyone else from having an opinion about whether they're anywhere near getting where we want to go after one year does it? or two when we get there if the window closes with the squad as it is now then the next window becomes more critical and consequently more difficult, and reaching our goal will be harder as we eat into the 3 years you can see that right? i brought up the 3 year thing to point out that NE5, and yourself if you were so inclined, has every right to be unhappy if his cash isn't being invested in players on the pitch...i don't know how many people have put in for 3 years but lets imagine it's a lot; if the club keep hold of the majority of that money for the 3 years it would be pretty fucken poor, don't you agree?

What did you expect from Souness and Roeder? he's on about the appointment of souness and roeder mick, that the old board appointing them met our expectations and was being sarcy

did they? our expectations must differ wildly then I was being sarcastic at you said how they met his expectations. i know, so was i...

did they? our expectations must differ wildly then

negative spin on a board who ran a club that filled a 52,000 stadium for years and qualified regularly for europe ? Positive spin on a board who have - so far - sold a manager short and gates have gone down ? Aye, bonkers. If its your opinion its positive, and if it isn't its negative Dave ? Isn't that correct ? I'll leave this thread now, didn't mean to "hijack" it, although my opinion is these threads go into this area because - like it or not - they are topical and very much to the point. The point being the old board had time to prove their worth (and their weaknesses), yet you're not willing to give the new lot any time to prove anything. You point out only the great things the old board did, but only the poor things the new board have done. This is exactly what I'm on about. I notice you've failed to mention their biggest decision so far, which was to bring back the man you worship as manager. Why is that, I wonder. Anyway, let's leave it. Again. this really is showing all the hallmarks of going to hell but i have to pull you on this a bit dave; how much time is enough? the season starts in 2 days, do we just write it off 'cause they're still finding their feet? or perhaps better phrased do you think we should accept it being written off because they're finding their feet? (not that it's an automatic write off obviously i understand that) NE5 said elsewhere he's put his 3 years money in, doesn't he have a right, if you will, to expect something this season? next? when? when his next 3 years ST money is due? i just don't know he put his money in under souness and roeder aswell. did he complain about the way that board was taking the club ? seemingly not, but he was happy with that for some reason...you and i might not be but it met his expectations evidently and he's judging this board via the same criteria, i see nothing wrong with that because i'm doing the same i've personally always had a problem, during the Shep years, with the fact we rarely had a complete and balanced sqaud (more accurately that it seemed we weren't even attempting to acheive that goal) and that is the basis upon which i'll be judging MA & co come tuesday morning i'm not saying that in the one year he's owned the club we should have the perfect squad 'cause that's impossible obviously, we're improving but not at a rate (of speed or depth) that i consider satisfactory right now

negative spin on a board who ran a club that filled a 52,000 stadium for years and qualified regularly for europe ? Positive spin on a board who have - so far - sold a manager short and gates have gone down ? Aye, bonkers. If its your opinion its positive, and if it isn't its negative Dave ? Isn't that correct ? I'll leave this thread now, didn't mean to "hijack" it, although my opinion is these threads go into this area because - like it or not - they are topical and very much to the point. The point being the old board had time to prove their worth (and their weaknesses), yet you're not willing to give the new lot any time to prove anything. You point out only the great things the old board did, but only the poor things the new board have done. This is exactly what I'm on about. I notice you've failed to mention their biggest decision so far, which was to bring back the man you worship as manager. Why is that, I wonder. Anyway, let's leave it. Again. this really is showing all the hallmarks of going to hell but i have to pull you on this a bit dave; how much time is enough? the season starts in 2 days, do we just write it off 'cause they're still finding their feet? or perhaps better phrased do you think we should accept it being written off because they're finding their feet? (not that it's an automatic write off obviously i understand that) NE5 said elsewhere he's put his 3 years money in, doesn't he have a right, if you will, to expect something this season? next? when? when his next 3 years ST money is due? i just don't know

If he comes on and scores the winner today i'll be more than happy for him to pop over here and sleep with my wife. problies already has

interesting...

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money. That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point. If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary. i actually believe KK's quotes on this one, it's like cole - sometimes a deal is too good to turn down and given what milner actually produces in terms of end product this one was a no brainer for me as honest as milner was he actually produced little more than smith or duff and i don't think anyone would be crying if we sold them tomorrow for a pack of tudor crisps i think we'll see a striker and a midfielder come in as a minimum before the window as a result of the milner sale, one of them will be a very, very good player indeed I agree. The difference with Cole though is that Keegan thought he could replace him immediately with Ferdinand, and it all happened very quickly in mid season, but had to wait until the summer before QPR let him go. I don't dispute he knows what he wants, but what bothers me is that the season is new and there is a chance here to break back into europe again with the right player or two. Remember also, that by virtue of buying Cole, Beardsley, Sellars, Robinson - etc in advance of getting promotion to the premiership, and Darren Peacock afterwards - they had shown that they were prepared to bring in players to improve the team whether they sold anybody first or not. this part in bold has really dawned on me in the last few days too i have to admit - everyone is fond of pointing out how much of a hard time other clubs are having, i see a huge opportunity to make a quantum leap back up the table here but i honestly can see us not taking it i'm struggling to see how this window can be recovered now, again if i'm honest, like you i like the look of the players we've got so far but even assuming the 2 (?) we get in before monday are of a similar quality it's just not enough

i was about to say something along those lines, this threads gone to ratshit someone create another one about who's signing in the next 2 days and we'll start again

alls i remember of atouba is he was a huge clumsy giant that belted a lucky shot in against us once he'll need to have done some serious improving in germany i reckon

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money. That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point. If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary. i actually believe KK's quotes on this one, it's like cole - sometimes a deal is too good to turn down and given what milner actually produces in terms of end product this one was a no brainer for me as honest as milner was he actually produced little more than smith or duff and i don't think anyone would be crying if we sold them tomorrow for a pack of tudor crisps i think we'll see a striker and a midfielder come in as a minimum before the window as a result of the milner sale, one of them will be a very, very good player indeed

wonder how i missed that? jesus i used to love that guy as for andy "andrew" cole the depths of my hatred have never plunged so far than with that little shitehawk

haha, some people never learn. I'm sure premiership quality footballlers will be playing in the sunday leagues tomorrow. We might find a quality centre forward playing for the Blue Star for a couple of quid. Go get 'em lads they're out there somewhere. I didn't realise that Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourhino had been getting it wrong by buying quality footballers all these years. Slap their wrists. Quite ironic that the 2 strikers most valuable to the club at the present time were "panic signings/trophy signings" bought by the previous regime, but I'll let you absorb that one. not sure what you're on about NE5, too early in the morning? it's not an attack on the previous board, far from it but as you've raised it (inadvertently) one thing i would say about my point is this; for all the merits of the martins/owens/luques etc... and regardless of how they turned out in the end if you think that under shepherd's tenure the squad was ever balanced i'm sorry but you're a fucking balloon ferguson/mourinho would build a side capable of winning things before they spaffed their load on one player at the expense of the team, i'm fairly certain of that, so would wenger... i'll let you absorb that oh if you'd have read it properly you'd have seen i was stating that it would be ironic that for all the talk of ashley being better than shepherd if ashley went and did exactly the same thing they criticise shepherd for, thought you'd see that pal oh, I see it alright. Pal. FWIW, I don't think anybody is a WOW signing and never have. A quality player is a quality player full stop. I don't think the current situation is amusing at all, but did find it hugely amusing when people said the club did nothing but sign panic signings and trophy signings. 3 days left, and one more player down. Good fee or not. Keegan may have put his judgement on the line with the "timing" of this [what bell does that ring ?] sale - and I find it hard to believe he has done it without being confident of bringing in a replacement who is better - but thats my entire point. Why does it look like he is selling to buy rather than - as pointed out earlier - buying to strengthen the team and squad which is what progressive clubs with the biggest gates ought to be doing ? erm, NE5, everything you've put in bold there is just my original post regurgitated basically what the fuck are you arguing about? wtf are you arguing about then ? I agree with you that the irony would be lost on many people, but I always said that the club just bought and sold players like anybody else, only with [quite rightly] higher standards than most. I don't have a problem with buying a better player than one you have, you move the replaced player on and keep looking to strengthen the other areas at the same time. This is totally different to only concentrating on one or two problem areas, you always should be looking to improve all positions. Our signings are great, but it doesn't hide the fact that if we have even one injury up front, we are buggered. Not to mention that - as you are talking about a balanced team here - our strikers are as unbalanced as any time I can remember, as Viduka will never play 25 games never mind perform well in about 25-30 games which is the basic requirement. Sadly, there are still others with their heads in the sand. Some of whom claim to have supported the club during the dark days of Westwood, McKeag too etc and actually appear to think we should be happy to go back to dabble around the basement and free transfer market, buying Spurs reserve players again instead of "trophy signings" it appears we're no longer arguing then....agreed

haha, some people never learn. I'm sure premiership quality footballlers will be playing in the sunday leagues tomorrow. We might find a quality centre forward playing for the Blue Star for a couple of quid. Go get 'em lads they're out there somewhere. I didn't realise that Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourhino had been getting it wrong by buying quality footballers all these years. Slap their wrists. Quite ironic that the 2 strikers most valuable to the club at the present time were "panic signings/trophy signings" bought by the previous regime, but I'll let you absorb that one. not sure what you're on about NE5, too early in the morning? it's not an attack on the previous board, far from it but as you've raised it (inadvertently) one thing i would say about my point is this; for all the merits of the martins/owens/luques etc... and regardless of how they turned out in the end if you think that under shepherd's tenure the squad was ever balanced i'm sorry but you're a fucking balloon ferguson/mourinho would build a side capable of winning things before they spaffed their load on one player at the expense of the team, i'm fairly certain of that, so would wenger... i'll let you absorb that oh if you'd have read it properly you'd have seen i was stating that it would be ironic that for all the talk of ashley being better than shepherd if ashley went and did exactly the same thing they criticise shepherd for, thought you'd see that pal oh, I see it alright. Pal. FWIW, I don't think anybody is a WOW signing and never have. A quality player is a quality player full stop. I don't think the current situation is amusing at all, but did find it hugely amusing when people said the club did nothing but sign panic signings and trophy signings. 3 days left, and one more player down. Good fee or not. Keegan may have put his judgement on the line with the "timing" of this [what bell does that ring ?] sale - and I find it hard to believe he has done it without being confident of bringing in a replacement who is better - but thats my entire point. Why does it look like he is selling to buy rather than - as pointed out earlier - buying to strengthen the team and squad which is what progressive clubs with the biggest gates ought to be doing ? erm, NE5, everything you've put in bold there is just my original post regurgitated basically what the fuck are you arguing about?

nile fucken ranger, i love it...bollocks to spending money if we're gonna be playing people with names like nile ranger! the nile ranger thread has warped my brain, everytime i see or hear his name i crack a huge grin brilliant

haha, some people never learn. I'm sure premiership quality footballlers will be playing in the sunday leagues tomorrow. We might find a quality centre forward playing for the Blue Star for a couple of quid. Go get 'em lads they're out there somewhere. I didn't realise that Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourhino had been getting it wrong by buying quality footballers all these years. Slap their wrists. Quite ironic that the 2 strikers most valuable to the club at the present time were "panic signings/trophy signings" bought by the previous regime, but I'll let you absorb that one. Just out of interest, your view is that the board arent backing keegan finacially and that if we need to get quality players then we need to over pay in order to get them in. Well Keegan himself has already said that he only wants players who will play for the shirt and understand what it means to play for nufc - do you think a player who was needed to be convinced by an extra 10-20k per week to come here would fit into that select category of a player wanting to play for nufc? "Any quality cant play at Newcastle, we've seen that in the past" Id agree with that. kiss goodbye to this thread then...!

haha, some people never learn. I'm sure premiership quality footballlers will be playing in the sunday leagues tomorrow. We might find a quality centre forward playing for the Blue Star for a couple of quid. Go get 'em lads they're out there somewhere. I didn't realise that Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourhino had been getting it wrong by buying quality footballers all these years. Slap their wrists. Quite ironic that the 2 strikers most valuable to the club at the present time were "panic signings/trophy signings" bought by the previous regime, but I'll let you absorb that one. There's nowt wrong with trophy signings if they are added to a well balanced squad. Buying one superstar and not being able to strengthen the rest of the squad as a result is what people have usually not been happy about, although you probably already know this. that's what i meant, i.e. we get samuel eto'o in for 30m on monday but don't have a right winger or CM for the rest of the season not sure if he realised what i meant or not

haha, some people never learn. I'm sure premiership quality footballlers will be playing in the sunday leagues tomorrow. We might find a quality centre forward playing for the Blue Star for a couple of quid. Go get 'em lads they're out there somewhere. I didn't realise that Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourhino had been getting it wrong by buying quality footballers all these years. Slap their wrists. Quite ironic that the 2 strikers most valuable to the club at the present time were "panic signings/trophy signings" bought by the previous regime, but I'll let you absorb that one. not sure what you're on about NE5, too early in the morning? it's not an attack on the previous board, far from it but as you've raised it (inadvertently) one thing i would say about my point is this; for all the merits of the martins/owens/luques etc... and regardless of how they turned out in the end if you think that under shepherd's tenure the squad was ever balanced i'm sorry but you're a fucking balloon ferguson/mourinho would build a side capable of winning things before they spaffed their load on one player at the expense of the team, i'm fairly certain of that, so would wenger... i'll let you absorb that oh if you'd have read it properly you'd have seen i was stating that it would be ironic that for all the talk of ashley being better than shepherd if ashley went and did exactly the same thing they criticise shepherd for, thought you'd see that pal

And how fitting that she's saying "Boro piss" repeatedly

hey, i'll tell what just occurred to me this morning: with the various movements in & out so far this summer and the intimation from a number of places about a "WoW" signing how ironic it would be if the club went and 'pulled a shepherd' by bringing in a big name rather than fill squad positions we've needed all summer to pacify the fans!! the collective mushroom cloud would take out the city! {dons tin hat}

win win, except for villa!