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Christ, this lot are a joke.

There were clear signs of progress a few weeks ago, IMO. Obviously the last 2 games have been rubbish but we were looking a somewhat competent team that was finding some balance and form going forward for 4/5 matches.

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great. He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf. And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage. He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game. You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you? Yes I saw that, so f***? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off. The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like. The manager is s*** and that shows. I don't know the exact figures, but when he came to start with he survived by the skin of his teeth (which he recognises in the statement) and his second time took a while for his first win. As good as the bloke is, he's not a magician Was 8-10 games before we won 2nd time iirc but you could see signs of improvement. First time the club had no money to buy their way out so he did on the training pitch. This is the point I'm making. But that's no different. We've seen signs of improvement this time, then its disappeared. As for his first time (and I should be able to remember as I was going then), I'm pretty sure we finished 5 bottom and believe me there wasn't a massive improvement in performances as Keegan recognises. I've seen almost nothing personally. And regardless of what Keegan said, just like Pardew used to cry about, McClaren is managing a squad of international players. A better manager, like Keegan, gets more out of this squad. That's the start and end of it imo. Most PL sides have internationals, it means nowt, it's not like any of our lot are particularly prominent in good international sides anyway. Simple fact is, this is about the 15th best squad in the league sitting in 17th, a genuinely world class manager/miracle worker would have them in 12th at best.

If, by midtable, you mean 10th/11th, I think you're grossly underestimating the deficiencies of the squad. We simply don't have a very good team.

And where were Derby this time last year? What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page. What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for. Well they've both taken over clubs that ended the season poorly and both been given decent investment and we're rooted at the bottom of the league. For a start. Granted we were in worse shape, much worse, but my point was made later that we could have gone for a young manager full of potential and went for McClaren. I'd rather have taken a chance on Clement basically, and there's now a chance they'll be swapping divisions I couldn't think of a worse job for a bloke with no management experience or any managerial reputation to start with. This lot need a great man manager, more than anything else, and they tend to come with experience. Derby built a great core, like. They suffered from injuries, so I heard, and just needed to get some back and add a bit extra to push on. fair enough if you think like that, but conversely shouldn't a manager with mcclaren's experience have managed to make some discernible improvements by now? i mean yeah our squad is s*** but even pardew managed to wring some results out of them from time to time McClaren isn't the right bloke for this particular job either, like. But I think he's not got the results because he's not tried to be negative. Pardew only ever got results when he realised he couldn't get us playing properly so just went defend and counter. McClaren, to me, has seemed to try and not be like that, we keep more possession and try to build play more because he has an idea for the future. Do I think he'd be wise to disband that? Yeah, but I don't blame him for not.

Let's get back to a few weeks ago, yeah? Keep it simple, play the ball quicker to the front 4 and actually put your all in, please. If we do that, I think we'll nick a result.

And where were Derby this time last year? What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page. What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for. Well they've both taken over clubs that ended the season poorly and both been given decent investment and we're rooted at the bottom of the league. For a start. Granted we were in worse shape, much worse, but my point was made later that we could have gone for a young manager full of potential and went for McClaren. I'd rather have taken a chance on Clement basically, and there's now a chance they'll be swapping divisions I couldn't think of a worse job for a bloke with no management experience or any managerial reputation to start with. This lot need a great man manager, more than anything else, and they tend to come with experience. Derby built a great core, like. They suffered from injuries, so I heard, and just needed to get some back and add a bit extra to push on.

Quite honest, at least. He does seem a good bloke but his attitude seemed disappointing to me last week. As soon as he was moved inside, he just didn't seem to want to know. He'll play in the team but it's a big challenge to fit him in. Think his Pires-esque position would work fine with a better left back and Perez pulling out wider on occasion.

And where were Derby this time last year? What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page. What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for.

And where were Derby this time last year?

There's no system for these players because they're not suited to one another. We've only looked competent in a messed up hybrid 4-4-2 because that's how the players have been bought. Sissoko is a talented footballer but he's not a centre mid, not an attacking mid and he's not really a wide player, so what is he? Wijnaldum is a good attacking player but doesn't seem to have the mentality to play central midfield, nor is he good enough individually to play as a 10, IMO. And these are two of our best players The reality is, our lot might have some technical ability but other massively important attributes are missing, and we're trying to shoe-horn 3/4/5 of that type of player into our starting XI. It'll take a genuinely world-class man manager to get this lot going, IMO. Even then, I still think the regime would win out eventually. They're not motivated because they don't believe in the club, and they don't believe in the club because of the tone set by that knobhead.

I doubt he'll drop anyone for Palace. It'll have been said to be 'last chance saloon' for whoever he's had a go at and if they don't perform changes will be made. Personally, I hope he's not too kneejerk, as I do think we performed relatively well for that chunk of games and the last 2 performances shouldn't totally overshadow that.

Was it Saturday when in the first few minutes he tried to play an incredibly inventive flick in the box from one of our usual s*** crosses? Was really unlucky it didn't come off. He's very skilful and aware imo but he's just not seeing the ball enough in the right places because the rest of the team doesn't function. He'll score goals. He does display some really deft touches and when he gets a run on a header he's good but some of his movement is quite poor and he's definitely a bit slow in his thinking. After all, he will be adapting to this league still and that's to be expected (which is why we shouldn't be relying on him as much as we are).

He's a bit flat-footed in the box and seems to be struggling to get to grips with less space around him in that area. We do get crosses in but they're often crap and that negates quite a large part of his threat. I can see why he'd get frustrated but we can't afford for him to be like that.

Georginio Wijnaldum admits Newcastle United played as individuals and not as a team against Leicester City - and accepts he himself must “do way better” in the weeks to come. The Magpies succumbed to a 3-0 home defeat to the Foxes, who moved to the top of the Premier League table, and looked lethargic and second-best throughout. Along with just about every single one of his team-mates, Wijnaldum was disappointing against Leicester and he believes their poor performance was down to their inability to work together as a team. Wijnaldum said: “We have worked hard as a team but there were too many individuals (against Leicester). And if you do that you can see the problems. “The manager was also mad. We had players who have had good games which we didn’t win, but it was disappointing. “You can play games badly, we are human, but you must always work to get the result. “We played as individuals so you don’t get the result. We must play more as a team.” The Dutch international started the game on the left wing but was forced to move into a central position alongside Vurnon Anita once Cheick Tiote limped off with an injury just 18 minutes into the game. And the £14.5million summer signing from PSV Eindhoven, admits he prefers to play in a more advanced role than in a defensive one, but says he will feature wherever Steve McClaren believes is best for the side. However, while assessing his own performance against Leicester, Wijnaldum accepts he was not good enough - even in a slightly different role - and says he is determined to put in a better display during United’s visit to Crystal Palace next weekend. When asked if if he found it frustrating being asked to play in a deeper role, Wijnaldum responded: “It is difficult. First half I played on the left side and I was free to walk where I want. “Because of the injury to Cheicky I had to move inside more. “It is not like I can’t play there but it is difficult for me because I have the quality to make goals in an advanced person. “If a manager wants you to play in a position you play there. “Of course I am one of the players who has to help the team. “I am disappointed in myself because I want to help the team and get a better performance. “I am a key player to this team and I must do way better than I did (against Leicester). I was disappointed. “It is a different position, a little bit defensive. “It is difficult to do the things you do normally. I must still be creative and help the team. “Next week we have a game and I will try to be better then.”

I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter s*** ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. We played 4-3-3 all second half on Saturday and looked even worse Luckily, I didn't watch the game TBF. Sounds like we're doomed then. Unless we decide to actually invest in some midfielders and a goal scorer. Oh and a centre back and a left back. A new manager would be good too It was absolutely God-awful I think we're pretty far away from a 4-3-3 now, nowhere near the right balance of central midfielders and no competent/ready wide players. As crap as it is, the weird hybrid 4-4-2 is probably our best bet until January.

I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter s*** ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. We played 4-3-3 all second half on Saturday and looked even worse

He is on his heels a bit in the box, sometimes. We do get a lot of crosses in in games, IMO, they're just often absolutely useless.

I can't work out how we got a performance like yesterday's. The squad has been in OK-ish form over the last few weeks (7 points out of 12 is what I expect from our lot, they're just not very good) and put in generally decent performances and then you get that sort of rubbish. We've actually been looking like a team for 6/7 weeks or so (bar Bournemouth and second half against City) but they slunk back to their disillusioned/not arsed mode so quickly. The sort of unity and determination we saw that began to turn the tide a bit just disappeared; lots of moaning, focusing on the wrong things and just not doing the very basic stuff. It's almost as if they thought they'd done enough to get themselves out of trouble and they could start to coast. Too many tossers.

The fear on show from midfielders was pretty amazing, like, they just didn't want to know - either too scared to get involved in the tussle or too scared to lose it. You can say fair play to Leicester for shutting space down in the right areas but our lads just didn't want to take a risk at all, nobody trying to turn and get moving or play a risky pass. It's not like we had anyone running behind or challenging for long balls either, the result was just nowt but a lot of sideways passes.

I feel a tad sorry for him but he's not really helped himself the last 2 games in that he's given up on fighting for certain causes we've needed him to stick at.

We played that exact formation all second half and looked absolutely minging.

that norwich game is looking like a long term disaster for us because mcclaren appears to be banking everything on that happening every single match from what i can see He switched them into a midfield 3 for the whole second half and neither got a kick. They were actually disgraceful.

They were utterly crap first half, imo. Turned it up a bit in the second but I think our midfield disappearing was the biggest reason for it. Honestly, that midfield 3 in the 2nd were shameful, I'd be embarrassed to put in a performance like that.

Leicester didn't even press us high, though. They were happy as owt to sit off and fill spaces to make it hard for us to pass. We were too proud, I thought, to do some old-fashioned stuff and get the game open. I remember Vardy & Ulloa pressing our CBs and DMs so that they can't play the high ball that Mitro loves. Our midfielders too didn't have the space to turn when receiving the ball. They did on occasion but I saw them blocking passing lanes more often than not. If space had been that open, I think we'd have gone long much more.