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Siems much more suited to starting games, rather than coming on as a sub. I was really impressed with his intelligence off the ball, he led some really good pressing and you can see that's something that's been properly coached into him. He was actually talking too, pointing to players where they should be and always communicating. As much as I like Perez, that's just something he can't provide that we really do need (there should still be a place in the starting XI, imo). On the ball, he was decent, tried to keep play moving quickly with good touches but sometimes ahead of his teammates. Some nice movement too.

As we're so rank at the back, I'm not against going with a 3 to try and shore us up in the middle a bit. But if he's going to drop Wijnaldum and Perez for it, that's absolutely minging. They should both be in there, easily.

We don't have any capable wingers and we'd still be easy as piss to get through.

No one was saying that about Sunderland a few weeks ago. We have forced out some of our players with a bit of fight like Abeid under McClaren's watch. He has to take some responsibility for it. He's made no effort to change the formation or personnel to get more out of what he has got available. He's got no game plan, even sides like Bournemouth who have a bunch of championship players know what they are about. From what I've seen of the mackems, they looked more open under Advocaat and were sliced through with ease, Allardyce has just got them back to basics and is playing to their strengths at the back. What are our strengths? Abeid shouldn't have gone, that's a given and whoever took that decision is a moron. We've tried quite a few formations, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and now 3 at the back and we never look any better, it's almost as if there's a common denominator there. Bournemouth have been built up well and Howe has a structure to the team that he's created over years - they're a tight bunch and he's got the personnel to do exactly what he wants. Quality is only a part of the situation, balance and mentality are equally as, if not more, important. His biggest mistake has been not being radical enough with the man management of the squad. He's tried to come in and ease some of the tensions between players but it's not worked, he now must show authority as it's all he has left.

Sunderland have an easy gameplan because of their defence and midfield. They're a crap team of footballers, generally, but they have physicality and are passable backs-to-the-wall style players to be a typical Allardyce side - there's a theme there, at least. M'Vila is a good protector of the defence too and streets ahead of any of our CMs. Our lot are a completely different kettle of fish and, frankly, are more difficult to work out for a situation like this, IMO. We can't push up the pitch because we're slow and light in the middle, don't exactly have the warriors to do a lot of penalty box defending. We're a side with absolutely nowt going for it defensively.

Exactly how I'd play it now. We're shit, let's just accept it and try to grind a few points out. We're weak as piss in the middle, teams walk through us, so counteract it with numbers and hope for the best.

Pretty sure all he said was that they'd tried it on Wednesday, not all week. Fair enough, but that's even worse tbf. In what way? Teams try different formations in training a lot. Keegan rocked up before a game one time and just said we're going 3 at the back Well he's citing as a reason why we got botted up the arse by Palace 5-1. I didn't hear his full quote, just heard fat gimp ask if he'd have gone 5 and he said they'd tried it on Weds. Obviously, it's not the reason we got bummed, if that's what he thinks

Pretty sure all he said was that they'd tried it on Wednesday, not all week. Fair enough, but that's even worse tbf. In what way? Teams try different formations in training a lot. Keegan rocked up before a game one time and just said we're going 3 at the back

Pretty sure all he said was that they'd tried it on Wednesday, not all week.

Let's go 3 at the back, just for a laugh. It's not like they have any width anyway.

I love watching him. He looks effortless when he plays.

A 'special Sunday training session'

Man U doing their best impression of us in midfield.

Imagine our left back playing a ball like that

Fucking hell. Great goal.

When he was genuinely an office assistant about 10 years ago, too He's the luckiest man alive.

But if he knows it's hurting his club, why's he continuing to do it?

The only reaction he's going to get now is if he drops the players he thinks are the problem. Fair enough, he could've thought Bournemouth was a one off in terms of performance and persevered, he's then tried to see what criticism will do and it's obviously not had the desired effect. If Mbabu's fit, drop Dummett, nobody could be worse than Colo is; he could easily just put Wijnaldum in Sissoko's spot and start Thauvin/Perez left or bring in de Jong or look to just pack the midfield etc. Bending to key players hasn't worked in trying to shift this club's culture, just go radical.

Funny, I don't remember him ever saying that when Pardew was here.

Brought his own angle of it with him to add to the already strong ethic we had. Given that he's a coach I'd love to know what he's coaching because it isn't: defending passing pressing attacking wide play Yup. The early days, where there was a definitive shift in approach, has clearly been slung by the wayside in exchange for hit and hope. Aye, I could see the plan in the first 2/3 games. Keep shape, keep the ball, probe and work it back if needs be. Now it's as baseless as anything Pardew and Carver served up. I could almost tolerate losing every f***ing week if I could see that it was part of a bigger picture (like when KK came back). But with this s***, this s*** is absolutely unreal. It's staggering we get worse and worse when you think there is no lower we can plummet. I'd advocate him leaving but given how inept his board colleagues are I'm not even sure it'd be worth it. Might as well just go down with him at the helm, get it over and done with. Even 5 games ago, you could see some form of gameplan, tbh, a short termer to see us through at the very least. It's been an amazing capitulation, once again, and it's hard to say what the fuck's gone wrong. All desire, (minimal) attacking cohesion and teamwork they had seemed to disappear after Stoke/the international break. It's staggering how quickly everything turns to shit, we won a game 2 matches ago and it's back the the crisis point of mid-September.

You're going to get shit but I don't disagree. Some'll say he's working with what he's got, he just seems complicit in it all to me.

He's been so bad since he came back, looks like he has to think about which leg to put forward next.

It's weird. Things felt somewhat more positive a few weeks ago and now we're here

Me neither. Best bet, if he did warn some of them that it was their last chance, would be to make wholesale changes and set the team up to be more solid defensively and grind it out until Jan. Obviously, that would require us to buy good players in the next window for it to work.

what THE f*** do you know about Carr's remit vs who we have signed? It's about fair, tbh. The managers get slagged for being cowards that work for Ashley under ridiculous restraints, why isn't Carr? Surely any scout worth his salt wouldn't stand for having to be the bloke constantly shopping in the bargain bin (until very recently). fat sam has the mackems above us now, do they have a better team and squad? They appear to have defenders that are physically capable, midfielders that can run and some genuine wide players. I'd say they're more balanced than we are.