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Well if it makes u feel better- underrated by the french

Not but related but what a fucking shame that Laurent Robert and David Ginola only have 26 French caps between them. Because they are overrated by us probably?

Matt smith did a good job on it. I think the Saturday one was called that also no?

Of course what would the alternative be??

Pretty much. Smith only started one game after Tiote made his full debut (a game that Tiote missed). Smith was so poor it was disgusting

What does this even mean? When Bruce took him on loan nothing had happened, so nothing was anyones fault. We've always known he was cut from the same cloth as Pardew though so it's natural to assume it's mainly down to his shit management when he comes out with a line like "he needs to work harder" after pulling him off 35 minutes into a game. Well people were loving Bruce saying well done for taking him... Now he's fallen out with another manager it's all Bruce's fault being a shit manager. Until a decent manager takes hatem and doesn't fall out with him this is all a myth

Good but very sad

I find this more funny hur hur Ryan Taylor He is shite but a likeable shite

It's pretty funny watching the Ben arfa lovers squirm and now say it's Bruce's fault ... Despite them saying the opposite when he took him on loan

So would David May Yeah and would you say may "made a mess of his career" No but would you say shearer did? Where are you going with this? I'm not sure you really know. Well basically I forgot where this started- but I think Ben arfa has slightly messed his career up like! Trophys or no trophys

So would David May Yeah and would you say may "made a mess of his career" No but would you say shearer did?

So would David May

Marveaux was shite? There's honestly no point in me talking to you, your views on football don't at all align with mine like. So basically you are admitting you are so stubborn you can't reason with any alternative views

Cabella started v chelsea to be fair

He stayed until we could get rid of him and hardly featured after Man U. He was the most technical player on our books and Pardew couldn't handle him because he's a shite manager who is totally inflexible. Rubbish that because he always found a place for cabaye/ cisse who are technical players who don't run around a lot- I think it's more the fact he must specifically set out to piss off managers by not following their instructions. Even non shite managers like Mourinho have out casted players such as mata and Ballotelli because despite ability they don't add to the team as a whole Cisse is a technical player is he? Also Cabaye fucking ran loads. Total garbage. Well he relies on technique mainly in getting into positions and finishing rather than pressuring the opposition . Ah wait no that's garbage his first touch is up there with the worst in the league Terrible touches vs chelsea like you mean a shot? Fucking hell man, I'm out if this is the level of discussion The last time I checked a first time shot is a first touch :lol: Ok I'm not getting out of this hole- my other points remain though

He stayed until we could get rid of him and hardly featured after Man U. He was the most technical player on our books and Pardew couldn't handle him because he's a shite manager who is totally inflexible. Rubbish that because he always found a place for cabaye/ cisse who are technical players who don't run around a lot- I think it's more the fact he must specifically set out to piss off managers by not following their instructions. Even non shite managers like Mourinho have out casted players such as mata and Ballotelli because despite ability they don't add to the team as a whole Cisse is a technical player is he? Also Cabaye fucking ran loads. Total garbage. Well he relies on technique mainly in getting into positions and finishing rather than pressuring the opposition . Ah wait no that's garbage his first touch is up there with the worst in the league Terrible touches vs chelsea like you mean a shot? Fucking hell man, I'm out if this is the level of discussion The last time I checked a first time shot is a first touch

? So someone who wasted their God given talent won't suffer fools? I doubt very much he sees a connection between his talent and being told to run a lot by the likes of Pardew and Bruce. It's convenient for the argument but I honestly think you need to draw a line before pre-PL HBA, he was a daft little cunt then and has admitted it. He grew up with us and put up with years of Pardew before he lost his shit, let's clarify that: YEARS OF PARDEW. As a flair player Moving to Bruce was unwise but if he's encountered another fuckwit then fair play to him. He's clearly not got the mentality and drive to be at the absolute top but to overlook the impact of a shit manager is really ludicrous when you think about this board and the absolute joker we've suffered for 4 years. I kind of agree with you but I honestly think even under Mourinho / Ferguson / guardiola he would have had the same problems. I don't think the manager is the problem here it is him . I guess there will never be a correct answer but the way this lads career has gone with the talent he has got I would say the fingers point mainly at him Someone just mentioned Cantona. Perfect example, another genius acting the utter cunt in his early 20's but hit the right manager at the right time and... I agree that HBA's problems are largely his own but to not acknowledge (a) the fact he seemed to have grown up a lot after the leg break and (b) the absolute shitness of Pardew and how long he kept quiet is doing him a misservice imo. If Cabtona had landed in England with Joe Kinnear I suspect his career might have been slightly different. True but on the other hand he pushed out Anderson Nani etc

He stayed until we could get rid of him and hardly featured after Man U. He was the most technical player on our books and Pardew couldn't handle him because he's a shite manager who is totally inflexible. Rubbish that because he always found a place for cabaye/ cisse who are technical players who don't run around a lot- I think it's more the fact he must specifically set out to piss off managers by not following their instructions. Even non shite managers like Mourinho have out casted players such as mata and Ballotelli because despite ability they don't add to the team as a whole Cisse is a technical player is he? Also Cabaye fucking ran loads. Total garbage. Well he relies on technique mainly in getting into positions and finishing rather than pressuring the opposition . Ah wait no that's garbage his first touch is up there with the worst in the league Terrible touches vs chelsea like

That specifically gosling just before his contract ended was shocking like

He stayed until we could get rid of him and hardly featured after Man U. He was the most technical player on our books and Pardew couldn't handle him because he's a shite manager who is totally inflexible. Rubbish that because he always found a place for cabaye/ cisse who are technical players who don't run around a lot- I think it's more the fact he must specifically set out to piss off managers by not following their instructions. Even non shite managers like Mourinho have out casted players such as mata and Ballotelli because despite ability they don't add to the team as a whole Cisse is a technical player is he? Also Cabaye fucking ran loads. Total garbage. Well he relies on technique mainly in getting into positions and finishing rather than pressuring the opposition . Ah wait no that's garbage

He stayed until we could get rid of him and hardly featured after Man U. He was the most technical player on our books and Pardew couldn't handle him because he's a shite manager who is totally inflexible. Rubbish that because he always found a place for cabaye/ cisse who are technical players who don't run around a lot- I think it's more the fact he must specifically set out to piss off managers by not following their instructions. Even non shite managers like Mourinho have out casted players such as mata and Ballotelli because despite ability they don't add to the team as a whole

? So someone who wasted their God given talent won't suffer fools? I doubt very much he sees a connection between his talent and being told to run a lot by the likes of Pardew and Bruce. It's convenient for the argument but I honestly think you need to draw a line before pre-PL HBA, he was a daft little cunt then and has admitted it. He grew up with us and put up with years of Pardew before he lost his shit, let's clarify that: YEARS OF PARDEW. As a flair player Moving to Bruce was unwise but if he's encountered another fuckwit then fair play to him. He's clearly not got the mentality and drive to be at the absolute top but to overlook the impact of a shit manager is really ludicrous when you think about this board and the absolute joker we've suffered for 4 years. I kind of agree with you but I honestly think even under Mourinho / Ferguson / guardiola he would have had the same problems. I don't think the manager is the problem here it is him . I guess there will never be a correct answer but the way this lads career has gone with the talent he has got I would say the fingers point mainly at him

He was forced out of here because he questioned Pardew at Man U, he rightly questioned him and wasn't a fool for doing so. He stayed ages after that though with pardew willing to give him another chance. I honestly don't think anyone can be blamed in this instance apart from hatem

? So someone who wasted their God given talent won't suffer fools?

You can say it's the old boys limited managers fault. But there must be a reason why no young/ tactically efficient manager hasn't taken a punt aswel? Probably not just a single reason. A few would be financial (their club can't/won't sanction his wages/fee), some would be needs (doesn't fit system/have better already), a few would be geographic/prestige (he's not going to go there/to a club that size) and some may be put off by his history (seems to fall out with everyone). Are there any young/tactically efficient managers you could name who wouldn't be put off by the first three reasons? The part about the old boys club is spot on though. For reasons that we may never have the computing power to understand, falling out with Pardew has marked his career here for death. So falling out with numerous managers in France wasn't news before he came here? I just don't buy that