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Well iconic then.

Has anything happened like? Are you for real man??? Yes, as far as I know they've taken down some of the letters but nothing new has gone up. Sorry if Imissed something, I haven't been reading every page of this thread. You do know that Sports Direct one is made up, right? awwww ian man, you're tops like but come on - what do you think is gonna go up like? they're not cleaning the letters ahead of putting them back or something Well we'll see, if it happens I'll be as angry as anyone. All I've seen so far is a photo of some of the letters take down, and others left up out of order, and nothing else. Oh, and lots of people on a forum going mental over something that hasn't happened. As far as I can see it's just as likely to be maintenance as an evil plan to destroy the heritage of NUFC, but as I've said if something does happen then I'll go mental too. The club have already confirmed it's not for maintenance ffs. Ah right, missed that, as I said I haven't read the whole of the thread in detail. Have they said what it is then? Bit daft to claim everyone's 'going mental over something that hasn't happened' if you've not even read the thread then. The club have said it's going to be replaced with 'new, identical lettering' but have refused to confirm or deny that there's going to be commercial stuff added. Well, I've read the thread title and the last couple of pages, so I assumed that if the story was "NU lettering to be replaced with 'Cockneyz Rule OK' " I would have picked it up. From what you've said there's identical lettering going up, and there may or may not be something else added. So as I said before, nothing to go mental about at all. It's s*** on here at the moment, worst for a long time IMO. Why say that when Ashley blatently does not care for the 'heritage' side of the club? Its human nature & natural to fear the worst when Mike Ashley has the Newcastle United sign taken down because Mike Ashley has/tried to rename the stadium, has plastered sports direct right across the Gallowgate roof, continued to lie to supporters and treat good people like total crap. So the instinct when Mike Ashley moves his attention to that sign will naturally be "this does not look good" !! Even though we hope that instinct is wrong.

Has anything happened like? Are you for real man???

Kevin Keegan said they agreed a fee for a player, they went away to bid for the player, and changed the bid to a lower price knowing it would get rejected. Thats his words. Of course its not insanity man, a lot of things point not it - not least what Keegan said!

Not if your asking in which context the bid was made.

It will go in eventually to accept a total con, shut up and do what your told regardless if the explanation given dosent make sense?? Do you not realise that things change when people make things happen, and not accept rubbish because theyre told to? Even the perfectly plausable notion of fans finding a spot in the ground to stand together - like most grounds in the Premier League - without causing bother to anyone else, is something that should be dismissed?? Even though it happened with Level 7.

Apologise now for ignoring the rest even though its more than you deserve tbh. Safe standing isnt going to happen ever, get over it end of, whether its you(depending on which post you make) or anyone else its nothing to do with the club. You choose how to watch the game and how others are stuck with your choice. The rule is wrong, just because its the 'rule' doesent mean everyone should shrug their should & accept it. What would the world come to if anything was accepted because it had been imposed as the rule? Like minded fans should get together and stand if they want, without obstructing others who dont want to. Thats where the problem is in the corner obviously, and those fans with people behind wanting to sit should sit too, but the aim should always be to work together and help each other have the match day experience they want - just like how Level 7 evolved. Like i said, if the corner doesnt work out, perhaps the back of the gallowgate would work better.

Mate, seriously, you aren't doing yourself or anyone pidgeon-holed into the L7 movers 'problem' any favours here. For what reason do you come to that conclusion? I was quoting where Johnny typed 'poor L7-ers having to stand in front of people'....poor people having to stand?. Why do we have to stand? I'm a level 7 dweller who has been relocated, however I'm not bleating on as if I have a divine right to stand and p*ss people off. I relocated to the back of the Gallowgate for this very reason. I like to stand during a football match. I like to be able to jump around like a clown. I don't however expect to make people stand if they don't want to. The fact is, it's against Premier League ground regulations to allow persistent standing, whether we like it or not. In L7 Singing section, en masse, it was impossible to police, hence why we used to get away with it. God knows the stewards tried at the beginning. I even saw one fan punched by a steward for not sitting. I also understand the necessity to try and create an atmosphere and admire people who give it a damn good go (me and my mates try our best every game) but when you upset or p*ss people off around you by abuse or consistent foul language, you alienate those who come to football just to enjoy a good game and don't wish to shout themselves hoarse. It's been explained/argued/discussed that these rules are wrong and safe standing is actually being raised in parliament. The Bundesliga is a prime example of how easy it is to allow safe standing areas within football grounds without health and safety big wigs having a hissy fit, but until this time (many years down the line...if at all), ground regulations stipulate that you are not allowed to persistently stand. There's absolutely nothing we can do about it. The only thing I was saying against your posts was the way you think you have the right to put yourself in a ‘different league’ and that everything revolves around us L7 movers. Unfortunately life is about compromise. You give some, you take some. There’s always a happy medium. Football should be enjoyed by everyone, regardless of race/age/ability, however fundamentally it's the rules that are wrong but until they change, then I’m afraid we can’t do didilly squat. Exactly. I think anyone who wants to stand should always attempt to stand with like-minded fans (without causing problems for people who want to sit), like the say the rule is wrong, its a disgrace, so we shouldnt accept it. If the corner dosent work this season, maybe people can move to the back of the gallowgate next season and get this to grow from there instead, we'll see how the corner goes.

Yes. Its such an iconic part of the ground and should not be touched.

Great post, but expect some abuse. I am, I'm waiting for the shepherd fans who stood outside chanting like a loon and cheering at the "us geordies are a special breed of people to come haring after me I agree the summer window has actually been decent, we have bought some seemingly good players, and I certainly dont see us scrapping for relegation. But I do not believe there was ever any intetion to spend anything near 35m, so I do not agree with Pardew/the club saying there was 35m to play with this summer. Get the season ticket sold, basically. And most of all, I do not agree with raping the club of its heritage by, in this instance, removing the iconic Newcastle United sign from the east stand. This tells us the man in charge is, despite being a billionaire, also a class-less low life - prepared to act out his childish two-fingers message to his 'customers' in such a disgusting, pathetic and blatent way, because they dared to react to his lies. That goes beyond football.

Wow. That is painful to look at. This is a piss take, an attack on our identity & heritage, and an attack on the fans. This over-rides any transfer business or whatever happens on the pitch, he can sell which ever player he wants, fail to sign a striker etc, but this is the real news. Totally unacceptable is an understatement, this is rape of the club.

They need to ask him his opinion on the Newcastle United sign being taken down & replaced, and if he understands the disgust the fans feel about that. That for me over-shadows any faluire's in the transfer market, and has undone some of the good work getting (potentially) good players like Santon & Cabaye.

It's either stubbornness to the extreme or there's no funds being made available to him. They've came out a number of times and said there are funds for there manager if he wants to spend. If thats changed then they really need to clarify that.

To say "buying players is always the english solution" or whatever is another stubborn, offensive comment to Arsenal fans. You couldnt think stubborness could go this far, its just crazy, what happened to common sense?

He was one of the few players to come out of the relegation season with credit, he generally played well that season, its just a myth he suddenly came good in the Championship imo. Once we were relegated everyone was saying how Enrique was going to storm the Championship.

Because you believe in you philosophy and system, and that becomes almost more important than winning trophies. As a manager though you have to be able to see the bigger picture IMO, Wenger is paid to win trophies by Arsenal and while I admire his philosophy and his history it is arguably this flaw which is unnecessarily holding them back. If the philosophy/system isn't good enough you have to be able to see that and adapt as necessary. The philosphy in terms of style of play has become so one-deminsional and actually boring a lot of the time imo, if you look past the tv hype. Like I said, tippy tappy football, most the time trying to score a goal by walking in the net, no long shots, no bullet headers, when they actually put a cross in the box against us at SJP I didnt feel in any danger as a fan at all, because they've only got Van Persie 'up there' but he drifts to the wing/deep etc anyway.

In what way? Well he's reconstructed the whole club from top to bottom with emphasis on youth, and developing players to play the Arsenal way. I just mean I can see why he's reluctant to admit that it isn't going to work this time around and go out and bring in half a team. If something isnt working then its his natural duty to at least try and tinker it, change it the plan in some way. To refuse to do that because it would be admitting he's made some mistakes is arrogance in the extreme, and probably partly the problem. And its not half a new team - I think in general everyone agrees that a Centre-back, Central Midfielder, and Striker would improve Arsenal's chances of winning the league immensley. Buying the good players isnt easy obviously, but surley Scott Dann from Birmingham would improve their defense, add more grit & physicality which is what theyre lacking. Someone in the middle who puts his foot in and shows leadership & organisation. A more physical striker to give more variation, and to actually make use of Gibbs bombing forward putting in crosses (Demba Ba might have been decent for them). Its unfair on the young players out there who have no experience to look to, no leader to guide them through games when it gets tough, hes putting it all on their shoulders and theyre not going to develop to their full poential surley in that kind of set up.

In what way?

Used to love watching Arsenal play too. Their passing, pace, skill and direct play. You had Vieira, Pires, Parlour, Edu, Ljunberg, Bergkamp, Henry, backed up by the grit of players like Campbell and Keown, and even Grimondi, and players like Wiltord, Reyes and Kanu who contributed their fair share. They had everything, and had the perfect balance. Then Wenger decided to change that ethos which was successful to having the team full of small, young players, with experience largley thrown out the window & disregarded. Now they play tippy-tappy football on the half way line, are not allowed to shoot, and play practically with no striker - Van Persie on his own? Which makes any cross into the box utterly pointless, and any set peice pointless, as their centre backs arent exactly beasts either (I know Djouru scored against us, but it was very much a rarity). Then Wenger patronises the fans by mentioning Man City's spending, value for money, 'not going to put the club in jeorpady' etc. No-one is asking for Man City spending, and 9/10 you are always going to pay a few million more than the player is worth/value etc. How would Scott Dann put the clubs fianance in jeorpady? It wouldnt, so dont disrespect the fans with the same cliche's. Thats all without his comments on match inccidents and behavoiur on the touch-line. And Im talking from the point of view of what they were only around 5years ago - the immense team, style and success he had built up - and how he's allowing it to just dwindle away. Obviously they are still one of the better teams in the league, but the change of philosophy, and subsequent stubborness - refusing to simply use common sense - is crazy really.

I'm not talking about it being safe standing, just people standing infront of their seats like in the away end of SJP and the last few seasons in the Leazes Corner. If everyone stood in the SE Corner nobody would get banned as they couldn't enforce it. Either way over the next few seasons I've got a feeling more people will start moving to the SE corner for the atmosphere/to stand, I can only hope. Of course they can. They warn you, they formally warn you with a letter then they cancel your ticket so you can't get in the ground. If a steward asks you to sit down during the game and you refuse/kick up a fuss and they make a note of your seat you've not got a leg to stand on. It might not mean the coppers ejecting you during the course of a game but the stewards will quickly get sick of telling the same people to sit down. It'll start with a few and snowball if the rest don't fall into line. Didn't happen for many a season in the Leazes L7 and then 3 seasons in the Leazes Corner. If they enforced it with thousands of people standing (like I said, if everyone there stood, as things do stand at small numbers then aye they're an easy target) then they'd never have the balls to ban thousands of fans from the ground, it's not happened at a single club in England as far as I'm aware and I severly doubt we'd be the first to attempt it. Edit: Suppose I should have said wouldn't than couldn't, but point still stands. They could, but like I said I very much doubt they'd dare ban thousands of ST holders from the ground. Yep. Like someone said - the 'danger' of standing is a total con we are supposed to just accept, when it reality we are being completely shafted. If they are going to basically keep enforcing this con, with no admission that standing is not dangerous, then people have to take things into their own hands. The defeatist & easy thing to do would be to shrug your shoulders and think there is no choice, but they cannot deal with the numbers which are on our side if get organised - e.g. Leazes Corner. We just need to do it in a way which is not abusive or aggressive, and trying to co-operate with our fellow fans, swapping seats for example if possible.

Aye exactly.

Well said. Doubt they'll give a s*** anyway, though. Most of the fans in the corner are simply wanting to create the best possible atmosphere at SJP. I heard them - because they got the gallowgate end going against arsenal sometimes. There may be a minority of fans more arsed about stewards etc, but thats wrong to tarnish the rest like that.

Anyone giving stick out to people who ask if they can sit down is wrong, obviously. Likewise anyone who shouts 'sick the fuck down you twat' for example. If theres an old woman or someone with a medcial condition behind then just sit down, imo, unless you can swap seats. There dosent need to be any abusive crap, and that goes for the steward malarky too. "Are you going to sit down?" "No, I'd prefer not to" *carries on supporting team .... thats all that is needed. "Shove your seats up your arse" etc is inviting conflict and potentially bringing on problems. The Arsenal game showed there is potential to make the ground louder, give it time to grow. The Leazes L7 only started with a very small group - it ended up 3,000 strong. We need that core together, starting the atmosphere, because there were times against Arsenal when the singing spread through to the Gallowgate end and made a difference. But to do this we've got to leave out any confrontation, and not respond with a 'fuck you' attitude.

I was right next to it in the Gallowgate and aye, it was promising stuff. A good amount stayed firm when the stewards came, well done. People just need to persist with it, and it will grow more & more. To anyone saying 'but standing isnt allowed' I'd say we are being sold a lie; it is not dangerous, the reason for standing being against regulations is a total con, which should be looked into. It definetely got the Gallowgate end going sometimes and the noise was quality. Well done to some lads right at the back of the Gallowgate keeping things ticking over, it helps to have little pockets here & there. I'd personally say its pointless singing 'we'll never sit down' etc because your sort of inviting conflict then. The fact that your standing is enough, its best to just continue supporting the team when the stewards come, and ignore them/politely tell them 'no' and carry on singing for the lads. As annoying as they are, they are only doing there job, and being confrontation will only play into their hands.

We know the score but Jose should keep things like that to himself IMO. Disrespectful to a lot of people who thought the world of him. But Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in England & the world - got nothing to do with Newcastle.