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From the sounds of it they have been discussing this with Pardew for a month or two, and it has been tied up a while ago. Delaying the announcement makes it seem like they are searching for 'the best man' to 'take the club forward', it makes the notion they tried for Jol credible, and puts them in (they would think) slightley better light. In reality there has never been any intetion to get Jol or O'Neil, they are just using the media.

He will 'back him' through thick & thin the same way Joe Kinnear would still be here if he wasnt taken ill - in other words, he's got his mates in jobs who will hold the forte till he sells the club, and wont have the distraction of a Hughton or Keegan (or any credible manager) wanting to take the club forward. Because thats what it is - a manager wanting to take this club forward is a distraction to him. Its a total con, he's a fraud.

i happen to think that being able to apply thinking like 'if we all stop giving ashley our money he'll have to f*** off' makes me a pretty considerate person and therefore a good friend tbh, but each to their own That's fair enough mate and I'd agree with you on that point. Look, I'm not saying that we should just bend over and take it up the backside from Ashley and his runty litter of fuckwits - but I am saying that folks can't let this (admittedly diabolical) latest turn of events dilute their passion for the club. If people choose to articulate that love of the club by stopping supporting it now, then that's fine, they can f*** off just so long as they don't come back when the good times return, because they will return. They will. What about not going to games anymore in the hope it will bring good times back - i.e. speed up Ashleys departure. I don't know, you tell me. Did it work last time round when Keegan walked? It didnt happen, everyone kept going, thinking he was he was going to sell the club. I'd like to see a proper sustained boycott from now till the end of the season, and then no-one getting season tickets in the summer, and seeing what he does then.

i happen to think that being able to apply thinking like 'if we all stop giving ashley our money he'll have to f*** off' makes me a pretty considerate person and therefore a good friend tbh, but each to their own That's fair enough mate and I'd agree with you on that point. Look, I'm not saying that we should just bend over and take it up the backside from Ashley and his runty litter of fuckwits - but I am saying that folks can't let this (admittedly diabolical) latest turn of events dilute their passion for the club. If people choose to articulate that love of the club by stopping supporting it now, then that's fine, they can f*** off just so long as they don't come back when the good times return, because they will return. They will. What about not going to games anymore in the hope it will bring good times back - i.e. speed up Ashleys departure.

I'd love it if we could be united on this.

Same as Wise, jobs for the boys. Exactly, this is not a football decision. He wants a mate as manager, its such a disgrace and unbelievable, but that is the amatur levels he operates on.

Are you out of your f***ing tree? Just take a deep breath and take it easy. You might want to read my follow up posts first. I have and while I vaguely agree it certianly doesn't make it 'fascinating' nor 'interesting.' Probably the wrong choice of words to use. What I meant was that the idea was an interesting one, but wether this was viable for running a football club is another thing. Should it somehow work out, it will be interesting to see what the wider implications would be. Who knows, I thought I was totally apathetic towards the issue now, what do you know I'm still angry. For long term success I don't think it is viable, no manger worth his salt is going to accept those terms or any other condition along those lines. Hypothetically Ashley may luck out and Pardew may keep us up, still doesn't mean it's a sensible way to go about things. What if Pardew establishes us a Premier League side and he can't take us any further under the current ownership? No manager above his calibe is going to bite, we'll be looking at the also rans again, it just isn't sustainable. He dosent intend on taking us further than that imo, he simply intends to stay in the PL with, eventually, a reasonably low wage bill, and find a buyer to pay him a big price. In the meantime a yes-man can hold the forte for him.

Sports Direct, is fucking shit, we are the Geordies, and Ashleys a tit

Exactly, and its a nice mask to hide behind at the same time - 'Im not going to do a Portsmouth etc'... but its all cost cutting to make the club attractive for a buyer. Well, people are fed up with them anyway, so making the club as attractive for a buyer as possible might not be a bad thing if this is indeed the case. It isnt, though the club is effectivley on hold until he does. And this is while he is, most likely, asking for a stupid price. And thats where we should try & force that price down by boycotting.

Exactly, and its a nice mask to hide behind at the same time - 'Im not going to do a Portsmouth etc'... but its all cost cutting to make the club attractive for a buyer.

Ultimately its all bollocks from Llambias dressing things up to try and make them look credible.

It's ironic because Hughton was probably hired initially because Ashley believed that he was a yes man. The soft spoken former No.2 seemed like a perfect alternative to big, combative personalities like Keegan or Shearer. All of this basically happened because Ashley realized that Chris Hughton has a spine. Yep, very ironic like you said, and its the crux of the whole thing imo. Nothing to do with results or performance.

Pretty much, I believe Hughton would have wanted to progress the team and club, and not stand still. I think he would have made it clear in order to progress he will need more support, and like I've said, they want a yes man instead.

Thats it, for me.

Hughton was bringing success, for a team looking to consolidate, and was heading in the right direction you absolute tit. Theres no logic there... you want top 6 on that budget?? You got rid of Hughton because he wasnt a yes man, he wanted his own no.2, he wouldnt have accepted player sales, probably told you how sick he was of your ego interfering with the team, and he was gaining a powerful position with his growing status with the fans.

Its a yes man he wants. Hasnt someone said Pardew is freinds with Llambias? It would make sense. It blatently looks to me that he wants someone who will not protest at potential player sales, minimum transfer money and team interference. Hughton wasnt sacked based on the football, but that he would have been banging on Ashleys door asking for more financial support, and would have protested at player sales, and they want the cosy Joe Kinnear type scenario back.

I think you're correct, but can't see it happening. Man Utd fans made much more of an impression standing outside Rooneys house the other month than we ever did when we had old women on tele telling the world their life was over because Keegan left. We protest for a day, keep it lawful, and it drifts away to nothingness. To make a difference, a boycott of games should be at the core of it. No, not everyone will, but dont underestimate the 'drip drip' effect of word of mouth, people just simply laying their cards down saying to mates and other fans that theyre not going anymore, and gathering momentum. I'd like to think a sizeable drop in attendance till the end of the season is possible. Protests outside a lot of the time. Its principle. I'd also like to think that mass protests would send a message to any potential new owners in the future that if we're pissed on like this we dont accept it. And maybe put them off coming? Surley not, theres obvious reasons why people would be protesting, its not like theyd look on tv and think 'they look a voilent lot, idiots'. Anyone with a bit of common sense who would like to buy the club would understand the feelings of whats happened, and has been going on.. if any potential owner is looking thinking 'Im not going to buy them cos I dont fancy shafting them with lies' then screw them too.

I think you're correct, but can't see it happening. Man Utd fans made much more of an impression standing outside Rooneys house the other month than we ever did when we had old women on tele telling the world their life was over because Keegan left. We protest for a day, keep it lawful, and it drifts away to nothingness. To make a difference, a boycott of games should be at the core of it. No, not everyone will, but dont underestimate the 'drip drip' effect of word of mouth, people just simply laying their cards down saying to mates and other fans that theyre not going anymore, and gathering momentum. I'd like to think a sizeable drop in attendance till the end of the season is possible. Protests outside a lot of the time. Its principle. I'd also like to think that mass protests would send a message to any potential new owners in the future that if we're pissed on like this we dont accept it.

Amen to that.

Thats right, but if the club is effectivley on hold in terms of progression as long as he's here, is not right to protect the future meaning of that statement above by boycotting games and potentially moving him near the exit door, and giving some meaning back to the league table.

Like someone said, the players are pissed off aswell! Theyre in the same boat as us, and will probably expect someone kind of response to the fat man - a response on the basis of standards if not anything else. They'd probably think 'are you hearing this mike?'. But ultimately I personally think a boycott of games on some kind of level should happen. I already had got tickets for Liverpool and Man City, but after that Im not sure im going to the rest of the games. No, your not going to get en empty stadium, but surley theres hope for a sizeable drop.

Surley Jol would want a) A decent wage b) Some finanical backing c) No interference Things that are not part of the Ashley regime. Is he really serious about taking the club forward? The Pardew appointment fits much more with Ashley's style, I think (or thought) part of the reason for Hughton going is Ashley wanting a jobs-for-the-boys enviroment, like it was with Kinnear and Wise. I dont think Hughton would have tolerated Ashley selling players, he wanted to keep and I think he would have been banging on his door wanting a bit more finanical backing.

How stupid is that comparing your job to football? ITS A SPORT for gods sake, I cant believe you've said that part in the bold and compared it to a united football team giving it their all, collecting a point, and in the end unable to nick a goal, talk about taking things in the wrong context. The players will lose the drive to win if they are applauded off? MAYBE the players will be more determined to get 3 points for the fans in the next game to reward their loyalty, ever thought of that? Do you not trust Chris Hughton to do his job, and let him dictate to the players the standards they need to set? The money is irrelevant if they are giving it a good go, yes if they are taking the piss and showing no interest the booing & stick is justified, but we've clearly got a determined squad of players giving it their all, so whatever happens after that shoudlnt involve the reaction some gave yesterday - like I said, thats Hughtons job to tell the players we need to do better at home, which is obviously will be doing.

So am I. But it doesn't mean I'll ignore the home form. Being better off than we expected doesn't mean everything else is forgotten. So your not going to ignore the home form and boo Chris Hughton and the players... R right I get it, now Hughtons going to try harder because fickle fans booed! Obviously! Aye lets boo that twat, he needs to know this is not good enough, and he will try harder!! Solution!! Do you not think the players & Hughton will appreciate some appluase instead, after giving it their all, and in the end unable to break through a tough Fulham team? You hear people saying the players need to stand up and be counted, to keep wanting the ball through tough times, and to be united... so how about the fans do that during tough times? Some fans throw their dummys out during tough times booing at the end, showing no unity and loyalty, so why not try be an example? They gave it their best shot, they couldnt get a goal, they didnt lose and got a point on the board - unlucky lads fair effort, keep going, we're in this together. You honestly think booing is the better mindset?

Are you thick or something? I said we 'never stood a chance with that team selection' - Lovenkrands was never going to take those chances. He's an absolutely abysmal footballer. Any opportunity Yeah, like i'm wrong. Why go on like a 5 year on an internet forum? That baffles me.