Heron

I agree, and you're right, but the time for burning the cunts at the stake is when we're mathematically done, and when these lads have decided whether they want to join us on our journey to success.

I have seen us play, and I have also played enough, to know that if you're 1-0 down at half time you don't throw the towel in, which seems to be a lot of what I'm reading and seeing from our players.

Gonna have myself a little rant here - I just honestly, can not accept that we're as done with as people are making out. Frankly, I find it all just so submissive and sad. Where's the fight man?! Like why would the players give it if all they're seeing is this mindset from the fans, the ones who'll be here after they go? I get we cannot be endlessly positive and must be realistic but our reality is that whilst there's lots of room for improvement and our record this season is shit, we're gathering a more operational level of fitness, have signed two players so far, and may get more and have a better manager going into the second half of the season. We also, despite the above, have a modicum of positivity. It's just not the same as the first 19 games. Perhaps for me, it's because I jacked my ticket in, in a fight against Ashley, but I'll be fucking damned if I gave up with 2 games in hand on a team only 4 points ahead of us with another 18 games to play and 2 of them against our league rivals. Not after all the fucking apathy, hate and negativity of the decade or so that's preceded this moment. Fuck. That. I'm not ready to give up on hope.

Before the game I thought a draw was best but now I don't. Dennis geyting a red, us having 2 games in hand on Norwich and having to go there and Burnley, I'd far rather be chasing Norwich than Watford because at least it could come down to our games vs them. Have to say I think Norwich look strongest out the four at present...

Aye, that's absolutely gross negligence from all at the club. The players I can kinda understand because if they "overtrained" and got injured they'd have been bollocked. But Ashley down it's a fucking joke. I agree it's not so much a success that Howe's tried to fix it, it's just no longer a failure... Hopefully.

One win and all of a sudden the dynamic changes for us. We still need to go to Norwich and Burnley.

Win for us puts a cat amongst the pigeons.

What I'd argue is that we weren't (aren't) even fit enough. That's the difference. However, I think it'd be naive to overlook the fact Howe's looking to play a more expansive style rather than grinding out results too. He has flaws, as we all do, but I have faith in us doing this still. Howe's methods will work in time.

Fuck me Watford are absolute horseshit. Turgid.

Can see clearly enough just get on with it you dicks.

Oooh Chancel Mbemba Ooooh, his age - no one remembers Ooooh, he never gives his age away!

Hardly 'going after' Ben Arfa's dribbling... I'm merely saying ASM is more skilful at dribbling, which he is. It doesn't mean he's as effective. HBA was a more effective dribbler because he didn't do unnecessary posturing or tricks. However, he wasn't as skilful. Was definitely on the money when I said this forum had a HBA cult

That's fair. From a purely objective stance, I think he had a bit more end product than ASM but ASM is arguably a more skilful dribbler of the ball, despite not being technically as good. I think if we had a similar quality team to then, now, ASM would be loved a similar way, but fankly we're well away from that level at present. Ultimately though, both are FIFA street ballers with a showman attitude in a team game, playing for a club where luxuries cannot be afforded and they need to learn to do more to 'fit' the needs of the team rather than have the team 'fit' their own (personal) needs.

Hatem is massively overrated on this forum. Pure culty levels.

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Is shit

Too rights.

Only plays in the best defence in La Liga...

Aye

In all honesty, I don't think the outcome would be any different if the voting time were longer.

'Journalism' these days. Sadly. Absolutely farcical. What sells rather than what is accurate...

Anyone seen the shit Luke Edwards is spouting (again!). How that bloke remains in his job I do not know.

Bruce

Agree with this. I thought this before Howe was even announced tbh though. I think it'd be a good combination.